Originally posted by: Commander Courage
Yes, .... the fish, we think it's going to get them, they never see it, it closes in, but at the last second it's caught by another fish. If you want to give the sequence a proper ending you can have Jar-Jar's bug-eyed reaction and Qui-Gon turning from seeing the event say his Big Fish line. I just feel it needs better closure than the bongo just "heading for that outcropping" and that exchange might provide it.
Exactly. Someone suggested a force moment-- makes sense to me.
Seems the wisest way to go is to look at the different options. We all want the best flow. I just went ahead and convinced myself that I can see it already. InfoDroid will show us.
Qui-Gon's funeral: Excellent points. If we want a Qui-Gon line or two in Anakin's head, the Batman Begins dialogue would be perfect as there is a fire in the background already. Though I think it would interrupt the musically-driven feel and take away from the final tone poem as Anakin flies back to Naboo (which I really hope we can pull off).
Yes, .... the fish, we think it's going to get them, they never see it, it closes in, but at the last second it's caught by another fish. If you want to give the sequence a proper ending you can have Jar-Jar's bug-eyed reaction and Qui-Gon turning from seeing the event say his Big Fish line. I just feel it needs better closure than the bongo just "heading for that outcropping" and that exchange might provide it.
Exactly. Someone suggested a force moment-- makes sense to me.
I didn't catch your removal of the report to the Queen scene. Good call and we can rework the R2 scene with the magic of subtitles. Honestly I've totally forgotten how that scene plays. I haven't watched the original Episodes I and II in over a year (chossing instead the MagnolisFan versions). I should probably do that to get a complete feel of what we have to work with.
Please do-- You'll see a lot more opportunities like this one. MagFan was brutal in his own way. I think the opening 10 seconds of ours are going to benefit greatly by using stuff he cut in a different way. This scene too is an opportunity-- a better way to intro Padme than the "bitch, go clean this droid" debriefing.
Well it can't look cut and paste. I don't know why we can't try. The dialogue can be arranged so that the "official" hologram is actually replying by standing there stoically-- it can be made to feel organic. That is, of course, the final test.
Coruscant: I guess I'm just a fan of A-B-A-B-A storytelling. But sure, let's try it your way and see what we get.
Please do-- You'll see a lot more opportunities like this one. MagFan was brutal in his own way. I think the opening 10 seconds of ours are going to benefit greatly by using stuff he cut in a different way. This scene too is an opportunity-- a better way to intro Padme than the "bitch, go clean this droid" debriefing.
Funny; I thought you of all people would be against it as it is one of those jokes referring to the next film. But I'd be up for it if you are if you don't think it's too blatant a reference.
I think it's a great reference-- actually playing better now as the Episode IV performance will be a full orchestration of that tune Watto was humming.
Totally.
I totally understand your desire to use the "official" Maul hologram, but think of the opportunities that would open up for dialogue if we consistently use Sidious' hologram and black-out the hood (giving him the appearance of Death). Throw in the official hologram and it ends up looking cut and paste.
I think it's a great reference-- actually playing better now as the Episode IV performance will be a full orchestration of that tune Watto was humming.
Anakin's Dream: I think a combination of tone poems and quick flashes of obscured visuals would work, taking advantage of the "waking up" scene. The one thing I don't particularly like about Trooperman's nightmare sequence is that it's overlayed with Anakin in bed. He says it works best that way though, so there it is. Also, as I understand it the Episode III dreams are going to be reworked as well (just FYI). The best way to address this would be to put it aside, and after we put the majority of the film together see if it is better served by a dream or not.
Again, I hold off judgment until we become clear what the dream is trying to accomplish. I like getting into Anakin's head on the one hand, but have big concerns that it will undo the focus on Qui Gonn that we need to maintain. A similar problem occurs in the movie Philadelphia-- the movie's clearly from one character's p.o.v. until we get a dream from another person and it undermines the emotional core. I think the best solution will come from stating a specific hard-target for what the dream is achieving. What purpose does it serve?
It won't be crystal clear what's up until Qui Gonn announces Anakin's freedom in Anakin's house. That's fine because the scene will play at first to be all about Qui Gonn collecting ship parts. Then he mentions the boy and Watto argues. Qui Gonn wins and we wonder what that's about (although we sense Qui Gonn always gets what he wants and he clearly wants the boy)... Then he announces the truth Anakin's house. We can smooth this out.
I'm sure you agree that "You're a Jedi too?" should be cut.
Again, I hold off judgment until we become clear what the dream is trying to accomplish. I like getting into Anakin's head on the one hand, but have big concerns that it will undo the focus on Qui Gonn that we need to maintain. A similar problem occurs in the movie Philadelphia-- the movie's clearly from one character's p.o.v. until we get a dream from another person and it undermines the emotional core. I think the best solution will come from stating a specific hard-target for what the dream is achieving. What purpose does it serve?
Qui-Gon on Tatooine: Good points. I'm all for them is they can be smoothly edited. That's my greatest concern; we don't want things to seem cut and paste. I do wonder though if Qui-Gon betting for Anakin's freedom will be properly conveyed in just the last scene between him and Watto.
It won't be crystal clear what's up until Qui Gonn announces Anakin's freedom in Anakin's house. That's fine because the scene will play at first to be all about Qui Gonn collecting ship parts. Then he mentions the boy and Watto argues. Qui Gonn wins and we wonder what that's about (although we sense Qui Gonn always gets what he wants and he clearly wants the boy)... Then he announces the truth Anakin's house. We can smooth this out.
I'm sure you agree that "You're a Jedi too?" should be cut.
Totally.
I totally understand your desire to use the "official" Maul hologram, but think of the opportunities that would open up for dialogue if we consistently use Sidious' hologram and black-out the hood (giving him the appearance of Death). Throw in the official hologram and it ends up looking cut and paste.
Well it can't look cut and paste. I don't know why we can't try. The dialogue can be arranged so that the "official" hologram is actually replying by standing there stoically-- it can be made to feel organic. That is, of course, the final test.
Coruscant: I guess I'm just a fan of A-B-A-B-A storytelling. But sure, let's try it your way and see what we get.
Seems the wisest way to go is to look at the different options. We all want the best flow. I just went ahead and convinced myself that I can see it already. InfoDroid will show us.
Qui-Gon's funeral: Excellent points. If we want a Qui-Gon line or two in Anakin's head, the Batman Begins dialogue would be perfect as there is a fire in the background already. Though I think it would interrupt the musically-driven feel and take away from the final tone poem as Anakin flies back to Naboo (which I really hope we can pull off).
I've been thinking about that poem and I think it will work best as the summation audio over the whole "look how it's all come out" montage that shows us how each battlefront ends as well as how Anakin is processing with Qui Gonn's help. It can really bring the whole ending home, I believe.
I wish I had more time to respond to other posters. Later, I guess, but I'm grateful for all the kind words. Especially from our leader, InfoDroid.
As to the title, I like "The Chosen One" okay, although Episode I/Chosen One has a funny feel.
"Fate of the Jedi" ("of the" issues aside) is meant to capture BOTH Qui Gonn AND the entire Jedi Council because the fate of both are decided in this movie. Finding the Chosen One determines that there will be a Saga. It is Qui Gonn's fate to find the Chosen One and die convincing the council that he's right. It's the council's fate to resist the Chosen One and thus start their own downfall. It's Anakin's fate to become a Jedi. It's a decent title, capturing the spirit of the story. "The Chosen One" has the same kind of multi-p.o.v. meaning to it. It's capturing that central issue of waking up the Jedi council that should be reflected in the title--
I think "The Phantom Menace" is a title that refers completely to the Sith, and thus to the sequels more than to this particular story. There is a phantom menace in this story, but no one faces it or even becomes clearly aware of it except to wonder "did we see the master or the apprentice?"
Egyptian God Nemoidians indeed sound promising. THe only thing to make sure is that such a character would go into cahoots with a Sith Lord, since Maul/Grievous is the concrete proof that Gunray entered a deal with Sidious and is actually doing his bidding as part of a power-grab. The question to answer is what does the Egyptian God-head get from Sidious and what is he doing for Sidious?
Removing Sidious' appearances does not remove the responsibility of being absolutely clear in our minds that he is the Ultimate Architect of these battles. In fact, Sidious achieves ALL his aims. He only wants the vote of no confidence. He couldn't care less about the Naboo et al. He's headed for the Emperor's chair no matter what happens on Naboo.
MOre later, fellow Ranch hands!