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AT it's core (and I'm not sure we've achieved this yet) I believe the point of making Maul=Grievous is to add depth to and strip away confusion about who Greivous is and why Maul disappeared so quickly.

There is a feeling among some that Maul died to quickly and easily. There is also a common opinion that Grievous in the movies (apart from his very different portrayal in those CW cartoons) came out of nowhere.

Further, niether of them get any kind of depth. But if Maul = Grievous, all these problems are solved.


I don't think it can work without a "reconstructing Grievous" scene, however.

I hope someone can set me right. Commander?

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-Fortunately, I can do a very comparable impression of darth maul from TPM, i've had alot of fun with that one. However, i'm not familiar with what equipment I can record with and how to download/send it to someone.

-I threw in the idea of maul striking the force field to show how his anger was making him impatient to fight and kill obi wan, kind of like he's having a rush from killing qui gon. I wasn't intending for it to be at the beginning of the "force field" however.

-Perhaps the dooku/sidious swap is a bit of a stretch, I still think it would make for an interesting direction, but would probably not flow with the version TM is making, and I understand that we are editting around his basic direction of ep.2.

-About Jar jars voice: The only thing that feels kind of "un starwars-like" in magfan's Balance of the Force is the fact that way too many characters are dubbed and your forced to read a majority of the movie as opposed to watching it and being able to concentrate on the characters instead of sentence after sentence popping on and off. I can still work, but should we question whether or not we need soo many alien voices? We have jar jar, boss nass, all the gungans (ie. tarpalas) , occasional watto dialouge, all the nemoidian scenes......did I miss any? That is how BOTF is and I love the movie, don't get me wrong, but if I were doing it over again, I would think about at least giving the gungans english dialect. I understand, though, that would require a redubbing of every gungan character.......but hey you could grab other voices from different movies and garble the audio to sound differently than the original.

I don't think jedi have been portrayed as knowning every language, or being able to sense what every creature is saying......so I wonder how quigon and obiwan know how to interpret gungan language.........it's even a planet they have never been to. Thoughts?
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I agree that if Grevious=Maul, we'll need a "Reconstruction" scene at some point. It has to be in AotC, because you're trying to avoid loose ends from TPM, and Grevious is already running around in RotS. It would also need to be at the end, otherwise you'd expect Grevious to appear at some point in AotC. Here's my idea on how it can go down. It requires some dialogue that I don't know exists, but is fairly general. Italicized text needs to be found somewhere.


INTERIOR: CORUSCANT, SECRET LANDING PLATFORM - DAWN

The ramp lowers. COUNT DOOKU emerges and walks to where the
hooded figure of DARTH SIDIOUS stands waiting. COUNT DOOKU
bows.

COUNT DOOKU: The Force is with us, Master Sidious.
DARTH SIDIOUS: Welcome home, Lord Tyranus. I have something to show you.
COUNT DOOKU: I have good news, my Lord. War has
started.
DARTH SIDIOUS: Excellent. (smiling) Everything is going as
planned.

INTERIOR: CORUSCANT, IMPERIAL REHAB CENTER - DAY

MEDICAL DROID: We found him in the melting pit on Naboo. His body was broken, but his spirit endures.
COUNT DOOKU: But this is impossible!
DARTH SIDIOUS: Not for the Sith.
COUNT DOOKU (Realizing): Together, my Lord Sidious, we shall rule this galaxy.

The "Not for the Sith" comes from TPM, and Dooku's last line comes from The Two Towers (with slight modifications.) The final Dooku/Sidious conversation could take place offscreen, but a close up of Dooku looking suprised whilst in the shadows would help a lot.

For the reveal, could you put it at the moment Grevious escapes from the ship, near the begining? Replace "You lose, General Kenobi" (or whatever he says) with "I've waited thirteen years for this, General Kenobi." You'd still need some reaction from Obi-Wan, but the specific situation means the reaction can be more subdued, and possibly even wait until the next time someone mentions Grevious in a conversation with Obi-Wan.

I'm not sure either of these would work, but they're my thoughts on how you might be able to do Maul=Grevious.
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I like, I like that. But then how do we edit ROTS to show more that Maul = Grevious?
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Fascinating ideas! Particularly the one in the rehab center.

That is how BOTF is and I love the movie, don't get me wrong, but if I were doing it over again, I would think about at least giving the gungans english dialect. I understand, though, that would require a redubbing of every gungan character.......but hey you could grab other voices from different movies and garble the audio to sound differently than the original.

I just wanted to say that I feel the same way, and I had been considering the feasibility of dubbing the Gungans in English with Australian or British accents. Make Jar-Jar a smart-aleck and a charming character at the same time. Obviously, we'd need several actors to do this. That's my personal preference. The Nemoidians, on the other hand, I'd love to see subtitled. As someone has mentioned, their mask is pretty crummy anway.

InfoDroid, when I get to a high-speed connection again, I'll try downloading again. My gosh, I wish I had time to comment on all of this. I will soon.

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Originally posted by: MTHaslettI don't think it can work without a "reconstructing Grievous" scene, however.

I hope someone can set me right. Commander?

When I originally thought of Grievous being Maul, such a scene did not seem necessary to me. A few hints and a brief explanation through Grievous dialogue would do fine, and I still feel that way. After all, in this version of the saga we aren't going to see the complete Anakin=Vader transformation, are we? Even so it would seem rather repetitve to see the same process twice. The last scene has potential, as Dooku and Sidious really need some more dialogue between them to explain just what the heck is going on. Christopher Lee sound clips seem to be in abundance, but what about Ian McDiarmid? Anyone have any ideas for possible sources for alternater Palpatine dialogue?
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Originally posted by: DaystromX
I agree that if Grevious=Maul, we'll need a "Reconstruction" scene at some point. It has to be in AotC, because you're trying to avoid loose ends from TPM, and Grevious is already running around in RotS. It would also need to be at the end, otherwise you'd expect Grevious to appear at some point in AotC. Here's my idea on how it can go down. It requires some dialogue that I don't know exists, but is fairly general.

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For the reveal, could you put it at the moment Grevious escapes from the ship, near the begining? Replace "You lose, General Kenobi" (or whatever he says) with "I've waited thirteen years for this, General Kenobi." You'd still need some reaction from Obi-Wan, but the specific situation means the reaction can be more subdued, and possibly even wait until the next time someone mentions Grevious in a conversation with Obi-Wan.

I'm not sure either of these would work, but they're my thoughts on how you might be able to do Maul=Grevious.


THAT is an idea. That is clearly the most seamless place to add the material for Maul=Grievous.

Further, if Sidious is not in Episode I, then work has to be done to make his ENTRANCE worthy -- and this scene is his entrance.

Footage that builds up his first on screen appearance needs to be picked -- stuff that fits at the beginning of the scene as Dukoo flies in.

But letting Sidious blow our minds with not only his behind-the-scenes role that was felt but never seen in Episode I, and with his "everything's going according to plan" attitude to the war, and then with THIS: "I'm making a monster out of my old apprentice. I hope you like him..." It is great foreshadowing of what he will do to Anakin.

I really like this. I mean these ideas (I like them all).

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Originally posted by: Commander Courage
When I originally thought of Grievous being Maul, such a scene did not seem necessary to me. A few hints and a brief explanation through Grievous dialogue would do fine, and I still feel that way. After all, in this version of the saga we aren't going to see the complete Anakin=Vader transformation, are we? Even so it would seem rather repetitve to see the same process twice. The last scene has potential, as Dooku and Sidious really need some more dialogue between them to explain just what the heck is going on. Christopher Lee sound clips seem to be in abundance, but what about Ian McDiarmid? Anyone have any ideas for possible sources for alternater Palpatine dialogue?


I don't know what the current plan is for seeing Anakin's transformation -- I vote we keep it because in this Saga it's always Anakin's story that counts and that is about the most powerful material in Anakin's story. Aside from the staging of his "NOOO!", that scene where Sidious tells his new best friend a horrible and corrupting lie is a wonderful portrait of evil. "by the way, you killed your true love. Don't let it get you down."

I'd miss everything but the "Nooo!" if we cut it out. That's the climax of the first three movies.

That said, whatever way we go I believe the Maul=Grievous story needs the transformation scene for a couple reasons -- first, it's a hell of a lot of off-screen action to cover in a couple lines of dialogue-- Maul is recovered in pieces, turned into a robot, and brought back onto the scene about 13 years later? Without the "rebuilding scene" it's almost like this stuff must happen all the time.

Second, I think the skeptics of this idea will be able to say we took the easy way out if we don't do this scene. The strength of this idea is that it adds depth to something shallow. But if we make the viewer work too hard to understand it, or if they feel it should have been done better, then I don't think we're going to achieve what we want.

But I, of course, bow to the decisions of the actual editors on all these things. My powers are not yet great enough to force my changes upon you...

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Well, it looks like someone needs to break out LotR and document every single Saruman line. As for the unused Sidious lines, isn't there a holographic distortion to the lines that would make it difficult to use them in the other films? If we are indeed going to attempt this scene we need a complete breakdown of all audio and visuals required to get it done.

This makes me even madder that Lucas just pulled Grievous out of his posterior in between AotC and RotS. I'm sure he would have included a scene along these lines to set up the new bad guy if he knew that there WAS going to be a new bad guy in the next movie. Star Wars: Visionaries has story about the transformation of Grievous into the mechanical creature he becomes. Dooku and Sidious even have a conversation about his reconstruction, so that could provide inspiration for dialogue I'm sure.
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Commander Courage: Sounds great to me. Qui-Gon is my favorite character, so I'm all for that. Allow me to reiterate in "The Chronicles of Narnia," there is some great Neeson dialogue that is ripe for Star Wars fan edit usage. When you see the film you'll know what I mean.

Tying together the Qui-Gon focus and a possible Anakin dream, it has become obvious to me what Anakin's dream should be about. In Episode II he has a dream early in the film about his mother dying. She dies. In Episode III he has a dream early in the film about Padme dying. She dies. I'm sure you can follow my logic from here. For now this isn't too specific, so if any of you like the idea of Anakin dreaming of Qui-Gon's death and and want to run with it, feel free to do so. Idealy it would end with Padme somehow to transition into her waking him up.

Darthpreston's character of Jar-Jar seems like a reasonable way to go. The Han Solo-esque Binks of "Balance of the Force" is always an option as well. Any definite thoughts n this? We're going to have to pin him down at some point. For the record I'm all for an alien language with subtitles.

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Thanks! Glad the Qui Gonn story seems to be getting approval. It's the most of what's there imho and I venture to guess it's closest to what we all wanted.

I like the idea of a dream now -- I wonder if another direction might be to go very surreal with the dream so that it's not clear what it means at first -- but (and this has to be a delicate balance of eidting and artistry) the dream is a foreshadow of his becoming Vader. Somehow it isn't clear until Episode III what the dream was referring to -- maybe volcanic imagery, weird shots from the rehab clinic... I don't know. The Qui Gonn idea has a lot of logic to it. Will it pick up the drama in Episode I? Maybe so...

Last, I agree that Jar Jar needs work, but I really liked him in BOTF. If it ain't broken..?

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From Fellowship, man the dialogue is soooo much better than Star Wars

Saruman: Smoke rises from the mountain of Doom. The hour grows late and Gandalf the Grey rides to Isengard seeking my counsel. For that is why you have come, is it not...my old friend?

Saruman: You are sure of this?

Saruman: The Ring of Power has been found.

Saruman: Yet you did not have the wit to see it. Your love of the halfling’s leaf has clearly slowed your mind.

Saruman: Time?! What time do you think we have?

Saruman: Sauron has regained much of his former strength. He cannot yet take physical form, but his spirit has lost none of its potency. Concealed within his fortress, the Lord of Mordor sees all -- his gaze pierces cloud, shadow, earth and flesh. You know of what I speak, Gandalf -- a great Eye... lidless... wreathed in flame.

Saruman: I have seen it.

Saruman: Why? Why should we fear to use it?

Saruman: The hour is later than you think. Sauron's forces are already moving. The Nine have left Minas Morgul.

Saruman: They crossed the River Isen on Midsummer's Eve, disguised as riders in black.

Saruman: They will find the Ring... and kill the one who carries it.

Saruman: You did not seriously think that a hobbit could contend with the will of Sauron? There are none who can. Against the power of Mordor there can be no victory. We must join with him, Gandalf. We must join with Sauron. It would be wise, my friend.

Saruman: I gave you the chance of aiding me willingly. But you...have elected...the way of pain!

Saruman: The power of Isengard is at your command, Sauron, Lord of the Earth.

Saruman: We have work to do!

Saruman: Rip them all down.

Saruman: One ill turn deserves another. It is over! Embrace the power of the Ring... or embrace your own destruction!

Saruman: So you have chosen - death.

Saruman: So, Gandalf, you try to lead them over Caradhras. And if that fails, where then will you go? If the mountain defeats you will you risk a more dangerous road?

Saruman: Do you know how the Orcs first came into being? They were elves once, taken by the dark powers. Tortured and mutilated: a ruined and terrible form of life. Now...perfected: my fighting Uruk-Hai. Whom do you serve?

Saruman: Hunt them down. Do not stop until they are found. You do not know pain. You do not know fear. You will taste man flesh!

Saruman: One of the halflings carries something of great value. Bring them to me alive and unspoiled. Kill the
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From Two Towers

Saruman: The world is changing. Who now has the strength to stand against the armies of Isengard and Mordor?

Saruman (v.o.): To stand against the might of Sauron and Saruman, and the union of the Two Towers? Together, my Lord Sauron, we shall rule this Middle-earth.

Saruman (v.o.): The old world will burn in the fires of industry. The forests will fall. A new order will rise. We will drive the machine of war with the sword and the spear and the iron fist of the Orc.

Saruman (v.o.): We have only to remove those who oppose us.Saruman (v.o.): We have only to
remove those who oppose us.

Saruman: I want them armed and ready to march within two weeks!

Saruman: Build a dam, block the stream, work the furnaces night and day.

Saruman: The Forest of Fangorn lies on our doorstep. Burn it.

Saruman: Swear it.

Saruman: The Horse-men took your lands. They drove your people into the hills, to scratch a living off rocks.

Saruman: Take back the lands they stole from you. Burn every village.

Saruman (v.o.): It will begin with the Rohan. Too long have these peasants stood against you, but no more.

Saruman (v.o.): Rohan, my lord, is ready to fall

Saruman: Gandalf the White. Gandalf the fool! Does he seek to humble me with his newfound piety?

Saruman: The Ring of Barahir. So Gandalf Grahame thinks he's found Isildur's heir, the lost King of Gondor. He is a fool. The line was broken years ago. It matters not. The world of Men shall fall. It will begin at Edoras.

Saruman: If the wall is breached, Helm's Deep will fall.

Saruman: Tens of thousands.

Saruman: But my lord, there is no such force!

Saruman: A new power is rising. Its victory is at hand. This night, the land will be stained with the blood of Rohan. March to Helm's Deep. Leave none alive. To war!! There will be no dawn for men.
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From ROTK

Saruman: You have fought many wars and slain many men, Theoden King, and made peace afterwards. Can we not take counsel together as we once did, my old friend? Can we not have peace, you and I?

Saruman: Gibbets and crows? Dotard! What do you want, Gandalf Greyhame? Let me guess. They Key of Orthanc. Or perhaps the Keys of Barad-dur itself, along with the crowns of the seven kings and the rods of the Five Wizards!

Saruman: So you have come here for information. I have some for you. Something festers in the heart of Middle-earth. Something that you have failed to see. But the Great Eye has seen it. Even now he presses his advantage. His attack will come soon. You're all going to die. But you know this, don't you, Gandalf? You cannot think that this Ranger will ever sit upon the throne of Gondor. This exile, crept from the shadows will never be crowned king. Gandalf does not hesitate to sacrifice those closest to him, those he professes to love. Tell me, what words of comfort did you give the Halfling, before you sent him to his doom? The path that you have set him on can only lead to death.

Saruman: Save your pity and your mercy. I have no use for it!

Saruman: Man of Rohan? What is the house of Rohan, but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek and their brats roll on the floor with the dogs? The victory at Helm's Deep does not belong to you, Theoden Horse-master. You are a lesser son of greater sires.

Saruman: Free? He will never be free.

Saruman: Get down, cur!

Saruman: You withdraw your guard, and I will tell you where your doom will be decided. I will not be held prisoner here.
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Well fellas, here it is , the run down of any potential line that I could find of Christopher Lee as Saurumon from LOTR trilogy. Now, I can see nothing but potential all over the place, ESPECIALLY dialouge for a Maul/Grevious construction scene. I'll let you go ahead and read them , it's alot of good stuff though..

Fellowship of the Ring:extended cut

-You are sure of this?
-So the Ring of Power has been found
-And yet you did not have the wit to see it. Your love of the halfling's leaf has clearly slowed your mind.
-Time? What time do you think we have?
-Sauron has regained much of his former strength. He cannot yet take physical form, but his spirit has lost none of its potency. Concealed within his fortress the Lord of Mordor sees all. His gaze pierces cloud, shadow, earth and flesh. You know of what I speak, Gandalf. A great eye, lidless, wreathed in flame.
-He is gathering all evil to him. Very soon he will summon an army great enough to launch an assault upon Middle-earth.
-I have seen it.
-Why? Why should we fear to use it?
-The hour is later than you think. Sauron's forces are already moving. The Nine have left Minas Morgul.
-They will find the Ring, and kill the one who carries it.
-You did not seriously think that a hobbit could contend with the will of Sauron? There are none who can. Against the power of Mordor there can be no victory. We must join with him, Gandalf. We must join with Sauron. It would be wise, my friend.
-I offered you the choice of aiding me willingly, but you have elected the way of pain!
-We have work to do.
-Rip them all down.
-So, Gandalf, you try to lead them over Caradhras. And if that fails? Where then will you go? If the mountain defeats you, will you risk a more dangerous road?
- Do you know how orcs first came into being? They were elves once, taken by the dark powers, tortured, and mutilated. A ruined and terrible form of life. And now perfected, my fighting Uruk- Hai. Whom do you serve?
-Hunt them down. Do not stop until they are found. You do not know pain, you do not know fear, you will taste man-flesh!
One of the halflings carries something of great value. Bring them to me alive, and unspoiled, Kill the others.

The Two towers: extended cut

-The old world will burn in the fires of industry. The forests will fall. A new order will rise. We will drive the machine of war with the sword and the spear and the iron fist of the Orc.
-Swear it.
-Take back the lands they stole from you. Burn every village! We have only to remove those who oppose us. It will begin in Rohan. Too long have these peasants stood against you. But no more.
-Rohan, my lord, is ready to fall
- Gandalf the fool! Does he seek to humble me with his newfound piety?
-The line was broken years ago. It matters not. The world of men shall fall. It will begin at Edoras.
-A new power is rising. It's victory is at hand. This night the land will be stained with the blood of Rohan! March to Helm's Deep! Leave none alive! To war! There will be no dawn for Men.


Return of the King: extended cut

-You have fought many wars and slain many men, Th?oden King... and made peace afterwards. Can we not take counsel together as we once did, my old friend? Can we not have peace, you and I?
-So you have come here for information. I have some for you. Something festers in the heart of Middle-Earth. Something that you have failed to see. But the Great Eye has seen it. Even now he presses his advantage. His attack will come soon. You're all going to die. But you know this, don't you, Gandalf? You cannot think that this Ranger will ever sit upon the throne of Gondor. This exile, crept from the shadows, will never be crowned king. Gandalf does not hesitate to sacrifice those closest to him... those he professes to love. Tell me, what words of comfort did you give the Halfling before you sent him to his doom? The path that you have set him on can only lead to death.
-Save your pity and your mercy. I have no use for it!
-Free? He will never be free.
-You withdraw your guard, and I will tell you where your doom will be decided. I will not be held prisoner here

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Originally posted by: MTHaslett
Originally posted by: Commander Courage
When I originally thought of Grievous being Maul, such a scene did not seem necessary to me. A few hints and a brief explanation through Grievous dialogue would do fine, and I still feel that way. After all, in this version of the saga we aren't going to see the complete Anakin=Vader transformation, are we? Even so it would seem rather repetitve to see the same process twice. The last scene has potential, as Dooku and Sidious really need some more dialogue between them to explain just what the heck is going on. Christopher Lee sound clips seem to be in abundance, but what about Ian McDiarmid? Anyone have any ideas for possible sources for alternater Palpatine dialogue?


I don't know what the current plan is for seeing Anakin's transformation -- I vote we keep it because in this Saga it's always Anakin's story that counts and that is about the most powerful material in Anakin's story. Aside from the staging of his "NOOO!", that scene where Sidious tells his new best friend a horrible and corrupting lie is a wonderful portrait of evil. "by the way, you killed your true love. Don't let it get you down."

I'd miss everything but the "Nooo!" if we cut it out. That's the climax of the first three movies.

That said, whatever way we go I believe the Maul=Grievous story needs the transformation scene for a couple reasons -- first, it's a hell of a lot of off-screen action to cover in a couple lines of dialogue-- Maul is recovered in pieces, turned into a robot, and brought back onto the scene about 13 years later? Without the "rebuilding scene" it's almost like this stuff must happen all the time.

Second, I think the skeptics of this idea will be able to say we took the easy way out if we don't do this scene. The strength of this idea is that it adds depth to something shallow. But if we make the viewer work too hard to understand it, or if they feel it should have been done better, then I don't think we're going to achieve what we want.

But I, of course, bow to the decisions of the actual editors on all these things. My powers are not yet great enough to force my changes upon you...


My jaw dropped when I read DaystromX's idea. Fr*ckin' brilliant!! While the scene would be difficult to construct, the payoff would be huge. I think to 'seal the deal' (to quote Strongbad), a strong musical cue would be needed to introduce Maul's introduction (preferably when the doors open before his fight with Obi and Quigon), the cue is played again strongly at his re-construction at the end of Episode 2, and again at his bursting through the doors at the start of Episode 3.
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Whoah, sorry Mask, I was typing that up the same time you were, WHOAH, that is crazy we both had the time to do that! Sorry.
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This thread has spiraled a bit further out than I thought it would. Good luck with whatever you guys end up with.
The Jedi are all but extinct.......
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Grievous Musical Cue: Great idea in concept, though the opening of the Duel of the Fates must stay as-is. The Grievous Theme works excellently with his arrival on Tatooine, and will stay his theme throughout the films. Maybe Trooperman can work some of his musical magic and use it in a different key (as he did with the "Here they come..." cue in SotDS) at the end of II, and of course the Grievous Theme is already present in III. What I'd have in mind for II was have the last shot end with the big choral crescendo that ends the Tatooine scene in InfoDroid's test clip, with the new Grievous opening his eyes. Then wipe to the Jedi Council.

And serious Kudos to Mask and darthpreston for putting that together. Though the speed of which it was accomplished startles me, and I hope you found a list somewhere or something and didn't know all of those off the top of your head. I'm going to read over them now and report back in about 3 hours when I've completed them.
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This thread is on fire! I love it!

Sorry I haven't responded to any of your posts yet, Guys. I picked up three old Hammer Horror classics and watched those today, combing them for good Christopher Lee dialogue... Some good stuff. The great part is his voice still sounds the same.

I really think if we're focusing on the Qui-Gon aspect of the story (which I think is a good idea) then we need to include something (at least one scene) with his mentor Dooku. But, I think it's important to first see Dooku in a good context, as a good Jedi - which will make his turn in Episode II all the more of a betrayal. There has to be some way to do it. Has to be.

More later.

--InfoDroid

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Originally posted by: darthpreston
Whoah, sorry Mask, I was typing that up the same time you were, WHOAH, that is crazy we both had the time to do that! Sorry.



No problem, honest mistake just trying to help out
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Line that stuck out to me for possible use (key words in bold):

-Saruman: You did not seriously think that a hobbit could contend with the will of Sauron? There are none who can. Against the power of Mordor there can be no victory. We must join with him, Gandalf. We must join with Sauron. It would be wise, my friend.
-Saruman: I gave you the chance of aiding me willingly. But you...have elected...the way of pain!
-Saruman: One ill turn deserves another. It is over! Embrace the power of the Ring... or embrace your own destruction!
-Saruman: So you have chosen - death.
-Saruman: Do you know how the Orcs first came into being? They were elves once, taken by the dark powers. Tortured and mutilated: a ruined and terrible form of life. Now...perfected: my fighting Uruk-Hai. Whom do you serve?
-Saruman: Hunt them down. Do not stop until they are found. You do not know pain. You do not know fear. You will taste man flesh!
-Saruman (v.o.): The old world will burn in the fires of industry. The forests will fall. A new order will rise. We will drive the machine of war with the sword and the spear and the iron fist of the Orc.
-Saruman (v.o.): We have only to remove those who oppose us.
-Saruman: Save your pity and your mercy. I have no use for it!

For Grievous related dialogue I would suggest: "Mutilated. A ruined and terrible form of life now...perfected."/"You do not know pain. You do not know fear."/"We will drive the machine of war"/"A new order will rise." Too bad we don't have Ian saying those lines, as they would make much more sense for Sidious to say.

Other Dooku lines to be on the lookout for:
-"The Jedi are using our army just as you said, my Lord."
-"Wait! You don't understand! He's---"
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Man, you got to give it to the Lord of the Rings/Tolkien writers they did a great job with the dialogue.
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I'm confused about what we're trying to build with all this Christopher Lee dialogue.

Is this all for the Maul/Grievous "rebuilding" scene?

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Originally posted by: InfoDroid
This thread is on fire! I love it!



Me too. It's actually going a little TOO fast, we need to recap and isolate the ideas we've generated for each Episode into separate lists.


I really think if we're focusing on the Qui-Gon aspect of the story (which I think is a good idea) then we need to include something (at least one scene) with his mentor Dooku. But, I think it's important to first see Dooku in a good context, as a good Jedi - which will make his turn in Episode II all the more of a betrayal. There has to be some way to do it. Has to be.

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But Dukoo has so little to do with the story of Qui Gonn in Episode I. Can you see a way to fit him in that doesn't slow down the story? Putting him the council with no lines or something and then taking out the reference that he and Obi Wan have "never met?" If we have to do a cul-de-sac scene to get Dukoo into Episode I, it will undermine the "story building" work that making this Qui Gonn's story is supposed to accomplish. Ironic, I know. What are we trying to do with Dukoo?

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guys, I totally dig what you are doing with this edit, but all this talk of a Maul/Grievous rebuilding scene is making me worry that it's going to turn out like the scene in the Simpsons where they try to re-edit the radioactive man movie to hide the fact that Milhouse quit halfway through filming.

Editing the 6 movies into a flowing saga is one thing, rewriting them is another. I like the idea of Grievous as Maul and wish it was so, but I'm not sure it can be pulled off as a cut and paste job.

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