At first I was very resistant to the idea, as it seemed like a real stretch. I have two problems that haven't been addressed here: First, it goes against the whole concept of two Sith - a master and an apprentice, unless the plan is to cut out the reference to the rule of two at the end of Episode I. I mean, even if we assume that it takes a while for Sidious to restore Maul/Grievous, there's still a time at the beginning of Episode III where there are two apprentices. Second, Maul/Grievous is a sith yet never uses a red lightsaber in Episode III. This could be fixed by rotoscoping though. I know he's collecting Jedi sabers, but at least one of his sabers should be a red sith saber. Ideally, it would be the repaired half of his original saber from Episode I.
Aside from these issues, I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Maul=Grievous. And this goes hand in hand with a comment I made a few pages ago about having Anakin/Vader actually die in the lava in Episode III:
Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
2) In ROTJ, Vader says to Luke, "You don't understand the power of the dark side. I MUST obey." Why is this? Why does he have to obey? My impression of Vader is that it was always his hate (and tie to the dark side) that kept him alive inside the suit. So if he really did die in the lava, and Palpatine actually does use his Sith powers to bring him back from death, then vader has to obey in order to continue living. The second he ceases to serve the dark side, he begins to die.
What I'm getting at is, Sidious uses his Sith magic/technology to bring back Maul/Grievous from death and put him in a mechanical suit. If we have Vader die in Episode III, the Emperor ends up doing the exact same thing with him. We always hear about the power of the dark side, but we have yet to really see what that is (I think). I believe this process where we see a dead person come back alive in a mechanical suit IS the power of the dark side. It's their attempt at immortality.
According to my idea, followers of the dark side are able to achieve immortality by turining people into mechanical zombies. Followers of the light side, on the other hand, are able to do so by becoming one with the Force, as Qui-Gon discovers. This is a slightly daiiferent way to address the immortality issue from what Commander Courage mentioned, but it will address it somewhat.
And on a different note:
Originally posted by: Commander Courage
I had hoped at the end of RotS that Yoda would tell Obi-Wan, "Tell the children of their true parantage we must not, Obi-Wan. Better they believe a different truth than the terrible one that is. Confuse them it will, and lead them on a path to darkness. Until the time is right, unaware they must be." Or something along those lines to get the point across that Yoda and Obi-Wan had their reasons for keeping Anakin=Vader a secret, and planned to reveal it to them at the proper time.
2) In ROTJ, Vader says to Luke, "You don't understand the power of the dark side. I MUST obey." Why is this? Why does he have to obey? My impression of Vader is that it was always his hate (and tie to the dark side) that kept him alive inside the suit. So if he really did die in the lava, and Palpatine actually does use his Sith powers to bring him back from death, then vader has to obey in order to continue living. The second he ceases to serve the dark side, he begins to die.
What I'm getting at is, Sidious uses his Sith magic/technology to bring back Maul/Grievous from death and put him in a mechanical suit. If we have Vader die in Episode III, the Emperor ends up doing the exact same thing with him. We always hear about the power of the dark side, but we have yet to really see what that is (I think). I believe this process where we see a dead person come back alive in a mechanical suit IS the power of the dark side. It's their attempt at immortality.
Originally posted by: Commander Courage
We are indeed removing the entire aspect of Qui-Gon discovering the path to immortality. However, one of the more interesting aspects of this (which was unfortunately deleted from the final film) was the fact that the Sith were after immortality, but would never achieve it through their selfish means. In contrast, the Jedi obtain it through their selflessness. This is a powerful plot point that I wish we could bring back to the forefront, but the way things are looking in our saga it’s looking like it will be just as ignored as in the official version. It doesn’t necessarily have to be through Qui-Gon, but things are obviously set up that way.
We are indeed removing the entire aspect of Qui-Gon discovering the path to immortality. However, one of the more interesting aspects of this (which was unfortunately deleted from the final film) was the fact that the Sith were after immortality, but would never achieve it through their selfish means. In contrast, the Jedi obtain it through their selflessness. This is a powerful plot point that I wish we could bring back to the forefront, but the way things are looking in our saga it’s looking like it will be just as ignored as in the official version. It doesn’t necessarily have to be through Qui-Gon, but things are obviously set up that way.
According to my idea, followers of the dark side are able to achieve immortality by turining people into mechanical zombies. Followers of the light side, on the other hand, are able to do so by becoming one with the Force, as Qui-Gon discovers. This is a slightly daiiferent way to address the immortality issue from what Commander Courage mentioned, but it will address it somewhat.
And on a different note:
Originally posted by: Commander Courage
I had hoped at the end of RotS that Yoda would tell Obi-Wan, "Tell the children of their true parantage we must not, Obi-Wan. Better they believe a different truth than the terrible one that is. Confuse them it will, and lead them on a path to darkness. Until the time is right, unaware they must be." Or something along those lines to get the point across that Yoda and Obi-Wan had their reasons for keeping Anakin=Vader a secret, and planned to reveal it to them at the proper time.
Can we not find someone here who can do a passable Yoda impression? I'm serious. This could open up a whole world of possibilities.