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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Not once was that scene in there. Sorry - I hate to tell you this but it doesn't exist any more than the Bigg's scene did in Star Wars...

Maybe it was in a TV version? Or a comic book, or script? Or, just a Cinematic Urban Legend (a phrase which I just coined)?

Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
But the movie is not the dark, ESB-like middle chapter as Lucas purports. It's more of the Beverly Hills Cop 3 of the trilogy.


Ha! Yeah, BHC3 was quite a letdown. Best part: With the "Wonderworld" themepark music repeating in the background, Hector Elizondo yelling, "Turn that fucking song off!"
We don't have enough road to get up to 88.
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And whats with the GL gushing?


I'm not gushing mate, I'm just sick of the Lucas hate-posts.
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Maybe it was in a TV version? Or a comic book, or script? Or, just a Cinematic Urban Legend (a phrase which I just coined)


Yep - it's a good 'ol CUI.

I first heard of this rumoured scene about 8 years ago when reading message boards. From that point it's just kind of gathered steam.

I've read the final draft of 'Raiders' which still included the Nazi with the robotic arm, but there is no hint of a scene with the burning crate at the end.

I think this could come from school yard talk, you know, those kids that swear they saw it just because they imagined or dreamt it.

It wouldn't make any sense in context, besides. The whole point of the last scene is that the Ark is added to the warehouse, where there are literally tens-of-thousands of mysterious artifacts and dangeous items. The Ark is just one more of them, and, as Indy says, the fools "Don't know what they've got there."
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The fact that only Lucas has so far saved the world from Indiana Jones IV is another reason why he should be praised. There is nothing worse in the film world than remakes, but the second place in the hierarchy of idiocy is occupied by belated, unwanted sequels that no logic accepts (especially when you have a self-standing trilogy that opens and closes itself perfectly), that only a couple of "fans" actually demand, and that only gets considered because it's easy money. There are about four exceptions where a sequel was actually good enough to be comparable to the original,
there are exactly three cases where the sequel was better (Godfather II, Bride of Frankenstein, Star Trek II), and there are a few cases where a sequel is so different that it makes an excellent film on its own (Return to Oz), but 99,99% of the cases are cash-in trash. The Indy IV crowd probably consists of the same ones that are now wondering "duh, me want know when Peter Jackson shoot Lord of the Rings IV, duuh". (Of course, half of Hollywood executives ejaculate over that very same idea, too)
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Originally posted by: SammyTheBull
The fact that only Lucas has so far saved the world from Indiana Jones IV is another reason why he should be praised. There is nothing worse in the film world than remakes, but the second place in the hierarchy of idiocy is occupied by belated, unwanted sequels that no logic accepts (especially when you have a self-standing trilogy that opens and closes itself perfectly), that only a couple of "fans" actually demand, and that only gets considered because it's easy money. There are about four exceptions where a sequel was actually good enough to be comparable to the original,
there are exactly three cases where the sequel was better (Godfather II, Bride of Frankenstein, Star Trek II), and there are a few cases where a sequel is so different that it makes an excellent film on its own (Return to Oz), but 99,99% of the cases are cash-in trash. The Indy IV crowd probably consists of the same ones that are now wondering "duh, me want know when Peter Jackson shoot Lord of the Rings IV, duuh". (Of course, half of Hollywood executives ejaculate over that very same idea, too)


Agreed. I'd love to see an Indy IV that was equal to the others, but would rather not see the Indiana Jones equiviant of Terminator III, or some other crummy, cash-in on a good name sequel.
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Originally posted by: SammyTheBull
The fact that only Lucas has so far saved the world from Indiana Jones IV is another reason why he should be praised. There is nothing worse in the film world than remakes, but the second place in the hierarchy of idiocy is occupied by belated, unwanted sequels that no logic accepts (especially when you have a self-standing trilogy that opens and closes itself perfectly), that only a couple of "fans" actually demand, and that only gets considered because it's easy money. There are about four exceptions where a sequel was actually good enough to be comparable to the original,
there are exactly three cases where the sequel was better (Godfather II, Bride of Frankenstein, Star Trek II), and there are a few cases where a sequel is so different that it makes an excellent film on its own (Return to Oz), but 99,99% of the cases are cash-in trash. The Indy IV crowd probably consists of the same ones that are now wondering "duh, me want know when Peter Jackson shoot Lord of the Rings IV, duuh". (Of course, half of Hollywood executives ejaculate over that very same idea, too)


I would agree with you regarding sequels, were it not for the fact that I think Indiana Jones IV really is coming from a genuine place with good intentions. Spielberg, Lucas and Ford have all said that the Indiana Jones films were the most fun they've had in their careers, and I don't think anyone should fault them for wanting to do one more. Were it all about money, it would have been produced by now.

Indiana Jones fans on the whole are a pretty intelligent bunch, and for the most part are very far from the image that you have put forth. A lot of them really care about the series, and are very protective of it. They want to see a fourth film done right, in the spirit of the other 3. Most of them don't care how long it takes, as long as it's good. I think Spielberg, Lucas and Ford share this ideal.
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Actually you're wrong - if anything the Franchise will be ruined with Lucas now taking co-writer duties. Frank Darabont turned in a draft that had Ford and Spielberg genuinely excited, but Lucas wanted more action. Ford and Spielberg have both spoken on it a few times since and still seem pretty downbeat about it all. Darabont even severed all ties with Lucas (Someone who he once idolised) over the whole thing.

Bear in mind Lucas hates the Indy vs guy with the whip scene, and has been trying to convince Spielberg to change it ever since.
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He hates it because while a great scene, it goes against Indy's character. Can you imagine your history teacher just shooting a guy for no good reason? Indy isn't a cold blooded killer, that's established through out the films. Now, do I think it should be changed? No, it's a great peice of cinema, and has great lore to it. However, it makes about as much sense to the character as Luke just walking up and stabbing Jabba in the eye as soon as he walked into the palace.

So, are we in agreement that this scene doesn't exist?
The Jedi are all but extinct.......
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Just curious if you might be confusing this with the scene in the Nazi U-boat bay (I think it was there) where the ark is in a crate which is stamped with a swastika, where the swastika burns?

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Originally posted by: SammyTheBull

there are exactly three cases where the sequel was better (Godfather II, Bride of Frankenstein, Star Trek II)


Well, IMHO, you can't forget Terminator 2: Judgement Day, and, obviously, The Empire Strikes Back. With the Terminator films, Cameron did the first two, and intended to leave the ending open to interpretation and end the series there. But, someone still wanted a third film, so someone made that piece of crap called Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines. Now I hear there's even talk of a fourth!
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and Aliens, arguably, is better than Alien.
In it, not of it.
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...I think Indiana Jones IV really is coming from a genuine place with good intentions...


yeah, so was Blues Brothers 2000
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Originally posted by: Devilman-1369
...I think Indiana Jones IV really is coming from a genuine place with good intentions...


yeah, so was Blues Brothers 2000


The pain!