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-- "Obi Wan once thought as you do" definitely needs to be addressed -- in ANH. THAT is an important and missing beat for the "saga." It's unnatural for Obi Wan to fight Vader and not reach out to Anakin. There are definitely ways to get that dialogue in -- Obi Wan reaches out with his feelings -- "Anakin" (stolen from ROTJ echoed dialogue -- no lip synch problems) and some version of "That name means nothing to me" from Vader. The problem with using "Padme" to address this issue is that it dodges the real issue -- Obi Wan is facing Anakin in ANH, yet he never really addresses Anakin. Further, saying "Padme" to Luke has no meaning. Luke never ever heard Padme's name. It wouldn't work.
I agree that there should be some kind of personal connection between Obi-Wan and Anakin in the duel. Since we're not trying to preserve any secrets, their dialogue could be much more open. However, if Obi-Wan truly believes Anakin has been destroyed by Vader and is irredeemable, this wouldn't matter. As for Padme, InfoDroid lays it out perfectly. Luke presents Vader with Vader the exactly the same thing Padme did to Anakin all those years ago; he would think about Padme, not Obi-Wan. This would also work nicely with Luke just asking Leia about their mother (btw, that's another point that needs to be addressed which I have no clear idea how to approach). I agree "Your mother" would sound more natural than "Padme," which is why I inquired if we have the technology to Vader-ize other JEJ dialogue from other sources. However, Padme would still work; are you suggesting Luke never learned the name of his mother? By that logic Luke never learned the name of his father until Obi-Wan said "Anakin was a good friend" in RotJ. No, surely he knew their names, and was probably told that his mother died in childbirth; no need to twist the truth about her.
Also if you'll notice in my roadmap Yoda doesn't tell Luke that "he must confront Vader," or that "only then, a Jedi will you be." After Luke says to himself, "then I am a Jedi?" Yoda continues with the "Luke, when gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be," etc. So yes, he is a Jedi and calls himself as such when speaking to Jabba.
Maybe so, I never thought about it that way.
I like some of the DH re-shuffle of my outline. I strenuously disagree with CC that the original order of the Jabba sequence flows best. It doesn't flow at all for me. It is so illogical that I can only shake my head at it. But if Chewie and Leia are captured and Han is thrown in with Chewie -- and we drop the reference that Luke is coming to save them -- then it becomes a real down beat, a real place of dramatic tension and a true continuation of ESB. Having all this before the droids walk up to the palace makes their walk much much better because now we know they're walking into real trouble. Of course we'll have to edit their dialogue, but the tension can be real now instead of being generated by the "stories I could tell you about this place."
I agree that there should be some kind of personal connection between Obi-Wan and Anakin in the duel. Since we're not trying to preserve any secrets, their dialogue could be much more open. However, if Obi-Wan truly believes Anakin has been destroyed by Vader and is irredeemable, this wouldn't matter. As for Padme, InfoDroid lays it out perfectly. Luke presents Vader with Vader the exactly the same thing Padme did to Anakin all those years ago; he would think about Padme, not Obi-Wan. This would also work nicely with Luke just asking Leia about their mother (btw, that's another point that needs to be addressed which I have no clear idea how to approach). I agree "Your mother" would sound more natural than "Padme," which is why I inquired if we have the technology to Vader-ize other JEJ dialogue from other sources. However, Padme would still work; are you suggesting Luke never learned the name of his mother? By that logic Luke never learned the name of his father until Obi-Wan said "Anakin was a good friend" in RotJ. No, surely he knew their names, and was probably told that his mother died in childbirth; no need to twist the truth about her.
Also if you'll notice in my roadmap Yoda doesn't tell Luke that "he must confront Vader," or that "only then, a Jedi will you be." After Luke says to himself, "then I am a Jedi?" Yoda continues with the "Luke, when gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be," etc. So yes, he is a Jedi and calls himself as such when speaking to Jabba.
-- I wish we could kill Lando/The Falcon. Definitely we must address this issue.
As Kasdan said in "Empire of Dreams," he thought someone need to die. I agree, but Lando would be too obvious. Han was who they were looking at, and Harrison Ford was all for the idea as well. But ultimately Lucas decided he wanted a happily ever after fairy tale ending. Anyway, there is really no way to accomplish this successfully as noted above: no reaction to Lando's death or the loss of the Falcon.
The "now I see a light blur" line is fine, but "I grew up here/You're gonna die here" is unnatural and unfunny. Han knows Tatooine, Luke knows Han knows. It's just bad exposition -- "Don't forget, I came from Tatooine in Episode IV."
As Kasdan said in "Empire of Dreams," he thought someone need to die. I agree, but Lando would be too obvious. Han was who they were looking at, and Harrison Ford was all for the idea as well. But ultimately Lucas decided he wanted a happily ever after fairy tale ending. Anyway, there is really no way to accomplish this successfully as noted above: no reaction to Lando's death or the loss of the Falcon.
The "now I see a light blur" line is fine, but "I grew up here/You're gonna die here" is unnatural and unfunny. Han knows Tatooine, Luke knows Han knows. It's just bad exposition -- "Don't forget, I came from Tatooine in Episode IV."
Maybe so, I never thought about it that way.
I like some of the DH re-shuffle of my outline. I strenuously disagree with CC that the original order of the Jabba sequence flows best. It doesn't flow at all for me. It is so illogical that I can only shake my head at it. But if Chewie and Leia are captured and Han is thrown in with Chewie -- and we drop the reference that Luke is coming to save them -- then it becomes a real down beat, a real place of dramatic tension and a true continuation of ESB. Having all this before the droids walk up to the palace makes their walk much much better because now we know they're walking into real trouble. Of course we'll have to edit their dialogue, but the tension can be real now instead of being generated by the "stories I could tell you about this place."
You know, you're right. This is a much more logical sequence of events. However, this presents us with two problems: 1) Where is C-3P0 during all this? R2 is with Luke, and he's certainly not with them. Everyone else at this point is in Jabba's Palace. Are we to assume he was just waiting it out at Ben's house for Luke and R2 to return? That could work; I mean, there was no reason to bring him along, he'd be a liability in fact. 2) What about Leia being Jabba's captive? Are we to assume she was just waiting in a cell until Oola's death and Jabba needed another slave girl? That could work too I suppose. We'll have to hammer out the specifics, but breaking it down like this shows me this could indeed work.
