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For me, yes, the contras are more than enough. I'm more a fan of story and dialogue than I am picture and sound. I'll take the speckled black and white of Clerks over refined looking films with crap story and dialogue any day of the week. Pretty doesn't make it perfect.

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For me, yes, the contras are more than enough.
I'd normally agree. But now that I have the *coughs* originals *coughs* on DVD.... I don't know, I don't even recall every tiny little change, since it's been so long that the SE was shown in theaters. Hence the vague memories.

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I'm more a fan of story and dialogue than I am picture and sound. I'll take the speckled black and white of Clerks over refined looking films with crap story and dialogue any day of the week. Pretty doesn't make it perfect.
True. BUT, as I stated above, I'll have to see that again for myself. If it's really that bad (and I recall being quite disappointed back in 1997), I can still sell the set on eBay.

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True. BUT, as I stated above, I'll have to see that again for myself. If it's really that bad (and I recall being quite disappointed back in 1997), I can still sell the set on eBay.


I get the feeling there will be many sets on eBay.
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*LOL*

I guess you're right, guys.

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That might mean you can pick it up relatively cheap. Might wanna wait for a couple of weeks and see what shows up. Get it down to half price, possibly.
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"I get the feeling there will be many sets on eBay."

Agreed, definitely. I really think that many, many people who buy/order the DVD's will assume they are the OT's. And when they discover they're not they won't want them much anymore. I think this would apply more to people who buy lots of DVD's more than fans, as most fans will know about the changes.
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I disagree on that one, Samatar.

I believe that many people who are going to buy the sets don't even recall the original theatrical cuts.

Sad, but true.

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"I believe that many people who are going to buy the sets don't even recall the original theatrical cuts."

I agree, many people may not. But I still think many others will. Mind, I am not saying the majority, or even a large percentage, but I think there will be more refunds than if it had been the OT, which will be what many are expecting. Anyway I could be wrong, it's jut a thought I had. Don't know if there will be any statistics released on such a thing so maybe we will never know.
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I believe that many people who are going to buy the sets don't even recall the original theatrical cuts.


My dad did not. He watched TESB SE back in 1997, and I remember him saying "wow how could they achieve all those SFX back in 1980?", and I had to explain to him what the SE was, and he said he remembered seeing the movie back in 1980, and he said it was exactly the same.
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A lot of people will realize that they are not the OT. And they may be turned off enough to sell them. However, the vast majority truly does not know the difference and will keep them anyway. Yet that small number of people who do sell may provide enough catalyst for people who don't know the difference to investigate and see why they are being sold and then realize that they do not have the true version.

One can hope...
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lets all hope, not just one.
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A lot of people will realize that they are not the OT. And they may be turned off enough to sell them. However, the vast majority truly does not know the difference and will keep them anyway. Yet that small number of people who do sell may provide enough catalyst for people who don't know the difference to investigate and see why they are being sold and then realize that they do not have the true version.

One can hope...


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You're probably right, but as I said, one can hope...
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I disagree on that one, Samatar.

I believe that many people who are going to buy the sets don't even recall the original theatrical cuts.

Sad, but true.

Doc


Very unfortunate. It's been seven years since the SEs were released, and it's difficult to remember a time without them. It's probably even worse for the casual fan. The main change that I liked in the SEs, though, was the end music of ROTJ (not the celebration sequence itself, just the change of music). This is probably because of this one day when I was home sick from school and watched the original ROTJ (back before the SEs), and as I lay miserably on the couch afterward, Yub Yub echoed in my head and made me feel worse.

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I thought I'd revive this thread and state my opinions on this topic. Besides the sond and picture was there anything to like about the Special Editions? Well, for me there were several things that I did like.

ANH:
1. I did like the new approach to Mos Eisley. It did open up the city much more and showed it in a grander scale. It could have been done better but over all I liked it very much.

2. The Han and Jabba scene. I have always felt that this needed to be there. It was one of my favorite scenes in the book. True, the digital Jabba didn't look that great and it totally needs improved but overall the scene worked for me. Even Han stepping on the tail. It's for the kids so I can live with it.

3. The added Falcon taking off from docking bay 94 and landing on Yavin IV. Both seemed to be executed very well and it did add a bit more demensin to those scenes but over all I think they were really not needed.

4. The X-Wings and Y-Wings taking off from Yavin IV. This I thought was a huge improvement over the original.

5. The removal of the cardboard people. However, being a nut for film errors I think this one is just hilarious.

6. The Biggs scene. Loved it, loved it, loved it.

Most of the other stuff, Ben's house, the sky, the Sandcrawler (which I didn't know about until I read it here), and Han and the Stormtroopers I really don't have any feelings one way or another.

Empire
1. The snow battle and removal of the transparent cockpit. Being able to see the battle through the snow speeders cockpuit clearly was a marvelous improvement.

2. The approach to Cloud City and the Cloud Car fly by. I liked these along the same lines as the Mos Eisley stuff.

3. The windows. However, they need to be a little more consistent. ONe minute they are there and the next they are gone. Let's make up our minds shall we?

The wampa thing isn't a like or a dislike. I can live with it but it really wasn't needed. Some of the other small changes I'll have to go back and compare the original to the SE to judge.

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1. The Bantha herd. I though this was neat and unexpected.

2. The end music but not the celebration scenes.

Most of the rest of the changes to Jedi I really didn't care for or they were in my opinon just not needed.

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edit in 2025: didn’t think when writing this, that my 20 years late response would revive this thread.

The Special Editions are what most members grew up with, but not all members. The special editions were not that bad, but people insult them because after the release of the VHS/LaserDisc/DVD of the 1997 Special Edition, people realised the original versions will never be re-released again. (forget the 2006 bonus discs). And that is the reason why so many complain about the Special Editions, but sure, there are some who actually hate the special editions.

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Director said:

“The special editions were not that bad, but people insult them because after the release of the VHS/LaserDisc/DVD of the 1997 Special Edition”

Well ,the 97 Special Edition was never released on DVD , but even further changes were made to the movies in 2004 for the DVD debut of the OT , and then again in 2011 for the blu ray , and again in 2019 for D+

" people realised the original versions will never be re-released again."…you got that right , its the reason this here site exists .

and the 2006 DVDs were a slap in the face

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The 1997 German 35mm Prints show just how good the 1997 looked in cinemas it was incredible.

Every new release has been worse than the last.

1997 Special Edition trilogy had Greedo shoot first, and Wingreen as Boba Fett voice and original Emperor scene. And Seb Shaw as Anakin as a Force Ghost.

It was far more acceptable to me than the version that has Hayden, Tem as Fett, and the awful Revenge of the Sith Emperor in Empire Strikes Back. But of course, you still have alert my star destroyer instead of bring my shuttle.

Then in 2011 Lucas had to add awful Vader yelling noooo!, R2-D2 behind rocks, the ridiculous cgi door at Jabba’s, and blinking Ewoks. The new Krayt Dragon yell and so many other pointless changes. I also missed the other dumb 2004 ones like Jar Jar saying Weesa Free and a Dug in Jabba’s palace. Adding the Jedi temple is relatively minor and coruscant was added already in 1997.

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Director said:

“The special editions were not that bad, but people insult them because after the release of the VHS/LaserDisc/DVD of the 1997 Special Edition”

Well ,the 97 Special Edition was never released on DVD , but even further changes were made to the movies in 2004 for the DVD debut of the OT , and then again in 2011 for the blu ray , and again in 2019 for D+

" people realised the original versions will never be re-released again."…you got that right , its the reason this here site exists .

and the 2006 DVDs were a slap in the face

The Special editon was released on DVD, but not many have the DVDs of them.

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Director said:

screams in the void said:

Director said:

“The special editions were not that bad, but people insult them because after the release of the VHS/LaserDisc/DVD of the 1997 Special Edition”

Well ,the 97 Special Edition was never released on DVD , but even further changes were made to the movies in 2004 for the DVD debut of the OT , and then again in 2011 for the blu ray , and again in 2019 for D+

" people realised the original versions will never be re-released again."…you got that right , its the reason this here site exists .

and the 2006 DVDs were a slap in the face

The Special editon was released on DVD, but not many have the DVDs of them.

^ Ummm…no . The 1997 Special editions were never officially released on DVD .There are bootlegs floating around out there that look like official product , but they are just that…bootlegs , mostly using the 97 special edition laser discs as a source .

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screams in the void said:

Director said:

screams in the void said:

Director said:

“The special editions were not that bad, but people insult them because after the release of the VHS/LaserDisc/DVD of the 1997 Special Edition”

Well ,the 97 Special Edition was never released on DVD , but even further changes were made to the movies in 2004 for the DVD debut of the OT , and then again in 2011 for the blu ray , and again in 2019 for D+

" people realised the original versions will never be re-released again."…you got that right , its the reason this here site exists .

and the 2006 DVDs were a slap in the face

The Special editon was released on DVD, but not many have the DVDs of them.

^ Ummm…no . The 1997 Special editions were never officially released on DVD .There are bootlegs floating around out there that look like official product , but they are just that…bootlegs , mostly using the 97 special edition laser discs as a source .

Yeah those “Five Star Collection” DVDs that even put “Anamorphic Widecreen” on the front covers even though they were using NON-anamorphic wisdescreen LD versions.

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Yep Fake DTS 5.1 mix too because they didn’t have the CDS to work from or a way to extract the audio.

They are factory pressed bootlegs, but the cover art printed on the discs does look printed nothing like a real disc would, and the misspellings and obviously computer printed cover tells you all you need to know.

The only official Asian copies were on VCD prior to 2004 that weren’t on VHS or laserdisc.

I have the official VCD.

Most of these 5 Star Collection shipped in nothing but a sleeve or envelope with the cover, not in a DVD case that tells you all you need to know.

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Here’s some of the changes I like…

  1. The expanded entrance into Mos Eisley. It really changes the tone of the original film’s first act, because Obi-Wan & Luke hiding out in a bigger place would make it harder for the Stormtroopers to find them.

  2. The improved X-Wings during the Battle of Yavin. Most of the older models still hold up extremely well, but its still awesome that they included some new angles along with added lasers and such. It makes the whole sequence feel less repetitive from a visual standpoint.

  3. Both enhanced explosions for the Death Stars. Some have nicknamed them as the “Praxis effect”, referring to the opening of “Star Trek VI”. But I think what was done in the Special Editions was even more impressive.

  4. No more matte lines or transparent cockpits during the Battle of Hoth. The ships look much more realistic that way.

  5. The expanded approach to Cloud City, and the windows added to the interiors. The original version just looked too obvious that it was filmed on a confined set.

  6. Ian McDiarmid being added in as the Emperor’s hologram, though I personally wish they’d have made him look as he appeared in “Return of the Jedi”.

  7. The alien “beak” and tentacles added to the Sarlaac Pit sequence. The original version just wasn’t too threatening; it was an open mouth with teeth and little else. Having the creature attack our heroes added some necessary tension.

  8. John Williams’ new music for the ending on Endor, with all the other planets shown celebrating as well. The original “Yub Nub” song was okay as a kid, but as I grew up it became annoying to me.

  9. Hayden Christensen being added as Anakin’s ghost. I know a lot of people will disagree, but since the prequels were still being made at the time and George wanted different things to rhyme, it made some sense for the narrative. Its not like she completely reshot Sebastian Shaw’s “dying Vader” scene; that would’ve been completely disrespectful by comparison.

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From the original movie I liked the added Biggs scene. Adding a sound effect to the stormtrooper bumping his head was funny. The added shots of the Jawa sandcrawler look pretty good. Aside from that, I don’t really like any of the other changes in this one.

In Empire Strikes Back I like that they included more of the Wampa and Cloud City (the building designs, not the shots of people listening to Lando’s announcement).

I don’t think there’s a single change in Return of the Jedi that I like. At least not any that I can think of. Oh wait, I thought of one. The added part where Oola falls into the Rancor pit and the door opens, that was good. Too bad it takes place right after that godawful Jedi Rocks song.

Basically I dislike the vast majority of the changes.

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