Originally posted by: Commander Courage
Yeah, I don't know what it is about my posts in here; they just keep getting overlooked.
No big deal though, after a couple of reiterations my points get mentioned anyway.
I'm glad you liked my suggestion about revealing the truth to Luke on Dagobah before the leaves for Bespin. That, IMO, would be the most logical place for Ben and Yoda to tell him. He's nearly completed his training and is off to face Vader and save his friends. He deserves to know what he's up against. Did the Jedi think Vader wouldn't tell Luke he was his father, as they must have assumed Vader was aware of Luke's identity by then. Yoda does say in RotJ, "Unexpected this is, and unfortunate," so I guess they did. This takes care of the numerous issues of Luke knowing in ANH and early ESB. Luke's behavior towards Vader on Bespin could go either way, then at the end of the duel he would find out anyway, so the flow of Luke's character wouldn't be disrupted as it would be if we have dozens of scenes with Luke knowing Darth Vader is his father but not reacting to or doing anything about it. To be honest I think the saga would be alright the the revelation going down the way it already does, but if not, this would be the preferable alternative. The biggest challenge here would be Luke's reactions. If only he had worn his orange jumpsuit in RotJ...
In regards to a "Star Wars Saga Ranch-Edit Bible" thread, I am in agreement that we are in need of one, but how would we make sure to make it different from the threads for the specific movies? Surely the two would overlap? Like I said I'm all for it; I just want to know how exactly we should seperate the discussions from then on.
Yeah, I don't know what it is about my posts in here; they just keep getting overlooked.
No big deal though, after a couple of reiterations my points get mentioned anyway. I'm glad you liked my suggestion about revealing the truth to Luke on Dagobah before the leaves for Bespin. That, IMO, would be the most logical place for Ben and Yoda to tell him. He's nearly completed his training and is off to face Vader and save his friends. He deserves to know what he's up against. Did the Jedi think Vader wouldn't tell Luke he was his father, as they must have assumed Vader was aware of Luke's identity by then. Yoda does say in RotJ, "Unexpected this is, and unfortunate," so I guess they did. This takes care of the numerous issues of Luke knowing in ANH and early ESB. Luke's behavior towards Vader on Bespin could go either way, then at the end of the duel he would find out anyway, so the flow of Luke's character wouldn't be disrupted as it would be if we have dozens of scenes with Luke knowing Darth Vader is his father but not reacting to or doing anything about it. To be honest I think the saga would be alright the the revelation going down the way it already does, but if not, this would be the preferable alternative. The biggest challenge here would be Luke's reactions. If only he had worn his orange jumpsuit in RotJ...
In regards to a "Star Wars Saga Ranch-Edit Bible" thread, I am in agreement that we are in need of one, but how would we make sure to make it different from the threads for the specific movies? Surely the two would overlap? Like I said I'm all for it; I just want to know how exactly we should seperate the discussions from then on.
First -- the "bible" thread would just be the catch-all for the entire saga until either a) we got it all sorted out and begin a specific episode or b) someone gets a wild-hair to begin an edit (as InfoDroid has done here). But as we've seen, discussion of one breeds discussion of the others. Maybe THIS should be the Bible thread?
Second -- re: the logical time for Obi Wan to tell Luke about Vader -- If you look at it logically, there isn't any Jedi plan for getting Vader during ANH. Obi Wan is watching Luke while the Rebellion goes on somewhere else. Leia brings Luke and Ben together for a mission, but Obi Wan is not really up on current events and doesn't know where things stand or what chances there might be for defeating Vader. Deceiving Luke at this point can hardly be considered part of a plan -- it's more of a random act of misguided kindness or even condescending dishonesty ("You can't know the truth because you can't handle the truth." Oh really? Thanks for all your faith, Obi Wan).
If for some reason Obi Wan doesn't tell Luke the truth in ANH, then Degobah in ESB becomes the next logical place. But what is so illogical to you about Ben telling the truth in ANH? It has to be kept in mind that telling Luke in ANH does not affect Luke's interaction with Vader during the movie -- not unless we want it to. They do not ever meet or know each others' identities.