What Do YOU Think Star Wars Should Do Next? — Page 4

Hard disagree on Solo miscast leads and a leaden script no matter who the director was it was in trouble, especially considering the actor is not Harrison and they killed him like he was nothing in Force Awakens, way too late to make a prequel for a dead Han. Might as well have tried to sell dead Han toys.

As to moving the timeline from 3 to 2 years between films I do somewhat agree, but I also agree throwing out Lucas outline and then having no plan was a problem as well.

JadedSkywalker said:

Hard disagree on Solo miscast leads and a leaden script no matter who the director was it was in trouble, especially considering the actor is not Harrison and they killed him like he was nothing in Force Awakens, way too late to make a prequel for a dead Han. Might as well have tried to sell dead Han toys.

As to moving the timeline from 3 to 2 years between films I do somewhat agree, but I also agree throwing out Lucas outline and then having no plan was a problem as well.

Solo was a lame idea from the jump, but it was one of a few projects that came with the sale, and something Kasdan wanted to write. An easy choice to make when you need a new film released each year.

I have trouble fully blaming Lucasfilm for these failings when we know Disney execs impose aggressive schedules. Bad decisions are often made in a hurry.

What do I know, I thought Rogue One was a bad idea and it lead to Andor. And it made money, despite the fact the roll up to Star Wars is the only background info you need for Star Wars. You never needed to see the plans be stolen, its completely unnecessary Star Wars prequel style exposition, backstory that was never intended to be a movie.

If I was an exec, I would have pulled the plug on Solo and Rogue One and solely focused on the sequel trilogy, and I would have given Mark Hamill an extensive role not a cameo.

That would make sense but Disney probably don’t want to splinter the material and suggest only one part of it is the “real” one and therefore the one to buy into. Which of course is what we have anyway now with the trilogies existing in detached bubbles. George didn’t take enough care and neither did the current studio suits. Other books and comics by their nature will never be taken as part of the proper series whatever they do, that’s just how extra material is viewed in any franchise.

Spartacus01 said:

Star Wars should have three main timelines that exist simultaneously and expand in parallel to each other: the old Expanded Universe timeline, the New Canon timeline, and the Original Trilogy timeline. The Original Trilogy timeline should consist of the Original Trilogy films and the pre-1999 EU, and the authors who write their works in this timeline should be free to completely rewrite the Prequels, the New Jedi Order and the Old Republic by using the pre-1999 lore, as well as the ideas and theories that circulated among the fans in the 90s .This way, every major section of the fanbase would be happy: the fans of the old EU would see their favorite stories continue; the fans who like the newest TV shows, books, comics and video games would continue to enjoy them; the Original Trilogy fans who were disappointed by the Prequels and did not like the prequelisms that were introduced in the old EU after the trilogy came out could have an alternative version of the Prequel era (explored through written media and video games) that could potentially satisfy them.

I agree with this but it won’t happen. The pre-1999 people like me are a vanishingly small minority. Maybe until some zoomers put out some 3 hour video essays about it, but that seems unlikely.

Vladius said:

Spartacus01 said:

Star Wars should have three main timelines that exist simultaneously and expand in parallel to each other: the old Expanded Universe timeline, the New Canon timeline, and the Original Trilogy timeline. The Original Trilogy timeline should consist of the Original Trilogy films and the pre-1999 EU, and the authors who write their works in this timeline should be free to completely rewrite the Prequels, the New Jedi Order and the Old Republic by using the pre-1999 lore, as well as the ideas and theories that circulated among the fans in the 90s .This way, every major section of the fanbase would be happy: the fans of the old EU would see their favorite stories continue; the fans who like the newest TV shows, books, comics and video games would continue to enjoy them; the Original Trilogy fans who were disappointed by the Prequels and did not like the prequelisms that were introduced in the old EU after the trilogy came out could have an alternative version of the Prequel era (explored through written media and video games) that could potentially satisfy them.

I agree with this but it won’t happen. The pre-1999 people like me are a vanishingly small minority. Maybe until some zoomers put out some 3 hour video essays about it, but that seems unlikely.

Even then, it’s gonna be accompanied by comments about how ridiculous some of it is. Also, there’s the big accessibility issue with the books and comics not all being readily available/a lack of unabridged audiobooks for the material.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Vladius said:

I agree with this but it won’t happen. The pre-1999 people like me are a vanishingly small minority. Maybe until some zoomers put out some 3 hour video essays about it, but that seems unlikely.

Wouldn’t it include the entire Prequel-hating side of the fandom?

That side of the fandom has shrunken a lot over the past ten years.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Vladius said:

I agree with this but it won’t happen. The pre-1999 people like me are a vanishingly small minority. Maybe until some zoomers put out some 3 hour video essays about it, but that seems unlikely.

Wouldn’t it include the entire Prequel-hating side of the fandom?

It could but that group is also really small now. Through a combination of memes, fondly-remembered video games, reevaluations by contrarians, childhood nostalgia for millennials, and Filoni shows, they successfully did a rehab job on the prequels. It’s a mix of people who liked the EU and all the tie-ins with prequel stuff, people who think The Clone Wars “fixes the prequels”, people who grew up with them and don’t care, people who enjoy the bad parts as “so bad it’s good” so that they like the whole thing, people who like them as “Lucas movies” as contrasted with the sequels, or people who changed their minds due to watching video essays or learning about how people were really mean to Ahmed Best and Jake Lloyd.

The high point of prequel hate was the Red Letter Media reviews but those got dissected to death, and modern RLM can’t muster very much edge or anger anymore.

BedeHistory731 said:

Vladius said:

Spartacus01 said:

Star Wars should have three main timelines that exist simultaneously and expand in parallel to each other: the old Expanded Universe timeline, the New Canon timeline, and the Original Trilogy timeline. The Original Trilogy timeline should consist of the Original Trilogy films and the pre-1999 EU, and the authors who write their works in this timeline should be free to completely rewrite the Prequels, the New Jedi Order and the Old Republic by using the pre-1999 lore, as well as the ideas and theories that circulated among the fans in the 90s .This way, every major section of the fanbase would be happy: the fans of the old EU would see their favorite stories continue; the fans who like the newest TV shows, books, comics and video games would continue to enjoy them; the Original Trilogy fans who were disappointed by the Prequels and did not like the prequelisms that were introduced in the old EU after the trilogy came out could have an alternative version of the Prequel era (explored through written media and video games) that could potentially satisfy them.

I agree with this but it won’t happen. The pre-1999 people like me are a vanishingly small minority. Maybe until some zoomers put out some 3 hour video essays about it, but that seems unlikely.

Even then, it’s gonna be accompanied by comments about how ridiculous some of it is. Also, there’s the big accessibility issue with the books and comics not all being readily available/a lack of unabridged audiobooks for the material.

The access thing is a problem but the kind of people who like the prequels and Filoni shows (lightsaber helicopters, memes about sand, green witch magic with zombies, Darth Maul’s brother being named Savage Oppression etc.) like how goofy they are, so it’s a mixed bag.

Vladius said:

…and modern RLM can’t muster very much edge or anger anymore.

Modern RLM is much more palatable to me, especially Best of the Worst and Re:View. They got older, mellowed out, and shifted a lot more into doing what they wanted to do. I’d rather watch them learn about The Orgasmic Birth or Shark Exorcist than see the Plinkett character again.

Vladius said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Vladius said:

I agree with this but it won’t happen. The pre-1999 people like me are a vanishingly small minority. Maybe until some zoomers put out some 3 hour video essays about it, but that seems unlikely.

Wouldn’t it include the entire Prequel-hating side of the fandom?

It could but that group is also really small now. Through a combination of memes, fondly-remembered video games, reevaluations by contrarians, childhood nostalgia for millennials, and Filoni shows, they successfully did a rehab job on the prequels. It’s a mix of people who liked the EU and all the tie-ins with prequel stuff, people who think The Clone Wars “fixes the prequels”, people who grew up with them and don’t care, people who enjoy the bad parts as “so bad it’s good” so that they like the whole thing, people who like them as “Lucas movies” as contrasted with the sequels, or people who changed their minds due to watching video essays or learning about how people were really mean to Ahmed Best and Jake Lloyd.

The high point of prequel hate was the Red Letter Media reviews but those got dissected to death, and modern RLM can’t muster very much edge or anger anymore.

I couldn’t have put it better myself…perfectly put Vlad! 👌

I get that people think the Plinkett stuff is too crass and overdone, but most of what was said was ultimately correct, and is essentially the same as what people here said when they were making the prequel edits. When those edits were done and the well ran dry, the same revisionism set in here.
“What they wanted to do” is more like what Jay wants to do, which is pretentious “cinephile” stuff. Mike and Rich used to like talking about Star Wars and Star Trek and trashy comic book movies. By all indications they still do, but being friends with Jay connected them to worrying about what people on Twitter are saying about any given topic. Again it’s the same here.

I mean, it’s kinda clear that their best material comes when they’re dunking on schlock and bizarre videos. Not comic book movies or Star Wars/Star Trek. Besides, Mike and Rich do re:View videos on that stuff often and realized that the modern stuff isn’t really for them. So they stopped watching, like any sane person would.

Also, Jay is very much there and present when they talk about the schlock. He’s there when they talk about ‘80s action and horror trash, surreal tapes, and random delusions of grandeur. Was he magically gone when they talked about Actar 911 Infantry or Creating Rem Lezar?

Jay doesn’t really seem to put too much mind into his Twitter, so I don’t know where you’re getting that from. They’re not “afraid of being cancelled” so much as they’re older and lost some of that righteous passion from the Plinkett days. Maybe that’s the legacy of Space Cop draining them of their filmmaking urges, IDK.

Modern RLM is way more enjoyable to me than the classic Plinkett stuff. Especially when Jack, Josh, or Colin are there.

BedeHistory731 said:

I mean, it’s kinda clear that their best material comes when they’re dunking on schlock and bizarre videos. Not comic book movies or Star Wars/Star Trek. Besides, Mike and Rich do re:View videos on that stuff often and realized that the modern stuff isn’t really for them. So they stopped watching, like any sane person would.

Also, Jay is very much there and present when they talk about the schlock. He’s there when they talk about ‘80s action and horror trash, surreal tapes, and random delusions of grandeur. Was he magically gone when they talked about Actar 911 Infantry or Creating Rem Lezar?

Jay doesn’t really seem to put too much mind into his Twitter, so I don’t know where you’re getting that from. They’re not “afraid of being cancelled” so much as they’re older and lost some of that righteous passion from the Plinkett days. Maybe that’s the legacy of Space Cop draining them of their filmmaking urges, IDK.

Modern RLM is way more enjoyable to me than the classic Plinkett stuff. Especially when Jack, Josh, or Colin are there.

Watching some of their older videos occasionally causes “cultural whiplash”, as the viewer is rapidly transported back to a time when a joke about an old man ejaculating uncontrollably while watching an Olsen twins movie was something that could actually happen on YouTube without concerns about demonetization or audience backlash. But I agree RLM is better in their more mature, modern form on average.

I think they mostly phased out Plinkett reviews because the joke can’t really be taken any further, and doesn’t really even make sense in the context of 2024. The Plinkett character was a stereotypical, basement-dwelling, sci-fi nerd amalgamated for the sake of an absurdist exaggeration with the adjacent trope of the basement-dwelling psychopath from Silence of the Lambs. But for the Plinkett character to work as a vehicle for critiquing science fiction movies, there needs to be an overall social context where obsessive, reclusive nerdiness is socially unacceptable. In the 2020s this is no longer the case, and tons of people make five-hour obsessive nitpicky videos complaining about sci-fi/fantasy series. Back in 2009 when RLM’s Phantom Menace review debuted, the average YouTube video was under 10 minutes, and making a 90 minute video criticizing a Star Wars movie was the kind of thing that would get you labeled as a social outcast by the mainstream. The Plinkett character effectively served as a satirical meta-joke “lampshading” the very fact that Mike Stoklasa wanted to make 90 minute videos obsessing about Star Wars. But in the 2020s, making 90 minute videos obsessing about nerdy movies is just a good business model for many YouTubers. Thus, the entire premise of Plinkett as an absurdist exaggeration of a basement dwelling, pizza-roll eating nerd with bad hygiene who makes lengthy videos obsessing about sci-fi minutiae is now obsolete. Plinkett used to be a reference to and satire of a specific cultural trope, but is now arguably just a “floating signifier”.

BedeHistory731 said:

I mean, it’s kinda clear that their best material comes when they’re dunking on schlock and bizarre videos. Not comic book movies or Star Wars/Star Trek. Besides, Mike and Rich do re:View videos on that stuff often and realized that the modern stuff isn’t really for them. So they stopped watching, like any sane person would.

Also, Jay is very much there and present when they talk about the schlock. He’s there when they talk about ‘80s action and horror trash, surreal tapes, and random delusions of grandeur. Was he magically gone when they talked about Actar 911 Infantry or Creating Rem Lezar?

Jay doesn’t really seem to put too much mind into his Twitter, so I don’t know where you’re getting that from. They’re not “afraid of being cancelled” so much as they’re older and lost some of that righteous passion from the Plinkett days. Maybe that’s the legacy of Space Cop draining them of their filmmaking urges, IDK.

Modern RLM is way more enjoyable to me than the classic Plinkett stuff. Especially when Jack, Josh, or Colin are there.

That isn’t kinda clear. They used to do both. The Rogue One Half in the Bag video is the funniest thing they’ve ever made. The Star Trek Picard seasons 1 and 2 reviews are incredibly good and don’t have any Plinkett at all.

If you only watch stuff that’s “for” you then there’s no point. They’re getting thousands and thousands of dollars in Patreon money to watch movies and they whine that they have to go to movie theaters. It’s silly.

Jay regularly brings up what people on Twitter are saying or whatever online outrage happens about the movie they’re discussing, so that they can say that it’s overblown and people are overreacting. It’s never funny or insightful and it always dampens the way they talk about it so they don’t say anything tooooo crazy.

Vladius said:

That isn’t kinda clear. They used to do both. The Rogue One Half in the Bag video is the funniest thing they’ve ever made. The Star Trek Picard seasons 1 and 2 reviews are incredibly good and don’t have any Plinkett at all.

I thought their Rogue One video was painfully unfunny, even if it had salient points. I would rather watch them talk about RepliGATOR or Vampire Assassin a thousand times before ever watching the Picard reviews. I like watching them when they’re having fun and not when they’re completely miserable.

If you only watch stuff that’s “for” you then there’s no point. They’re getting thousands and thousands of dollars in Patreon money to watch movies and they whine that they have to go to movie theaters. It’s silly.

That sounds like a Half in the Bag/modern stuff problem. I wrote off Half in the Bag as an “old man yelling at cloud” show ages ago, as it’s nowhere near as enjoyable as Best of the Worst or Re:View.

Jay regularly brings up what people on Twitter are saying or whatever online outrage happens about the movie they’re discussing, so that they can say that it’s overblown and people are overreacting. It’s never funny or insightful and it always dampens the way they talk about it so they don’t say anything tooooo crazy.

I mean, Jay’s completely right about Twitter and the overreactions on there. He’s correct to dunk on the people there.

Modern RLM is so much better than the old stuff to me, especially when they stay away from franchise stuff.

My favorite RLM Star Wars video is the Darth Vader suit one, which sums up so many “lore” channels that just read Fandom wikis for 30 minutes. It’s so hard to read “EmPalSuRecon Center” and “vitapaste” with a straight face.

BedeHistory731 said:

My favorite RLM Star Wars video is the Darth Vader suit one, which sums up so many “lore” channels that just read Fandom wikis for 30 minutes. It’s so hard to read “EmPalSuRecon Center” and “vitapaste” with a straight face.

That is very funny because it’s mostly just reading the wiki.