TO COMMANDER COURAGE: I love you because you rarely agree with anything. That's why you're so valuable to this team, it pushes us to think of something better. By the way, that ROTJ radio drama stuff is GREAT! We have to use it. Is that available on CD?
Thank you, that's quite a compliment.
And yes, all 3 Radio Dramas are available on CD. I have them on copied cassette tapes though, so I will be of no use to you in your search for sources.
Now THAT'S an idea. That would indeed be an ideal time to reveal the truth. Plus, there would be no need for out of place flashbacks to explain Obi-Wan's ghostly voice. It deals with a lot of my issues with RotJ as well; it took a YEAR to go back to Dagobah to get an answer as to Vader's identity? Obi-Wan NEVER appeared to Luke during that time to offer any kind of explanation or at least remind him to get back to this training? (I have more RotJ ideas on how to deal with those and other related issues, but those are for another time.)Very interesting concept here. Thoughts?
Forgive me, but I didn't really care for the execution of the clip you posted. The music was too loud, for one thing. It was too fractured and didn't seem to flow musically. BUT, what I DID like was when Vader telepathically called Luke to "Come with me". That was rather creepy. I might use it.
Thank you, that's quite a compliment.
And yes, all 3 Radio Dramas are available on CD. I have them on copied cassette tapes though, so I will be of no use to you in your search for sources.I understand what you're saying, but why don't we just give it a chance and see what we can come up with, see how far we can push it? If, in the end, we decide it was the wrong decision, then we can always pull it back to something more along the lines of what TheDemonHunter suggested above.
This pretty much summarizes my stance on this for the time being. I'm pleasantly surprised everyone seems to like my suggested Yoda dialogue. I wasn't really thinking of that in terms of an edit, rather "I wish they would have done this in the movie." Now the question is whether we can cobble something together along those lines for RotS. Our deleted scenes with Yoda will be an invaluble source, but if there's not enough Frank Oz material, we can always grab some Grover lines from Sesame Street.
The "reveal" had problems even as it was played in the OT -- not only did it make Ben a liar in ANH, but as he and Yoda train Luke and then watch him leave for Bespin -- why don't they tell him? He's their only hope (Leia ain't gonna take over where Luke left off). If they told him on Degobah, Luke may have stayed -- he would definitely be better prepared for the eventual revelation. But they don't tell him because it would screw up the "reveal."
After all it's better to work out your ideas in full now than do all the work and then find they don't work.
But to go the route of more justification ("know their true lineage they cannot...") or to just avoid the issue until Vader reveals it to Luke has to be considered a back-up plan until it's proven that this cannot work -- at least in my opinion.
But to go the route of more justification ("know their true lineage they cannot...") or to just avoid the issue until Vader reveals it to Luke has to be considered a back-up plan until it's proven that this cannot work -- at least in my opinion.
This pretty much summarizes my stance on this for the time being. I'm pleasantly surprised everyone seems to like my suggested Yoda dialogue. I wasn't really thinking of that in terms of an edit, rather "I wish they would have done this in the movie." Now the question is whether we can cobble something together along those lines for RotS. Our deleted scenes with Yoda will be an invaluble source, but if there's not enough Frank Oz material, we can always grab some Grover lines from Sesame Street.
The "reveal" had problems even as it was played in the OT -- not only did it make Ben a liar in ANH, but as he and Yoda train Luke and then watch him leave for Bespin -- why don't they tell him? He's their only hope (Leia ain't gonna take over where Luke left off). If they told him on Degobah, Luke may have stayed -- he would definitely be better prepared for the eventual revelation. But they don't tell him because it would screw up the "reveal."
Now THAT'S an idea. That would indeed be an ideal time to reveal the truth. Plus, there would be no need for out of place flashbacks to explain Obi-Wan's ghostly voice. It deals with a lot of my issues with RotJ as well; it took a YEAR to go back to Dagobah to get an answer as to Vader's identity? Obi-Wan NEVER appeared to Luke during that time to offer any kind of explanation or at least remind him to get back to this training? (I have more RotJ ideas on how to deal with those and other related issues, but those are for another time.)Very interesting concept here. Thoughts?
Forgive me, but I didn't really care for the execution of the clip you posted. The music was too loud, for one thing. It was too fractured and didn't seem to flow musically. BUT, what I DID like was when Vader telepathically called Luke to "Come with me". That was rather creepy. I might use it.
NO! That's the one thing I DIDN'T like. Hahaha, this is so true about my tendency to disagree. But no, Vader should not know who Luke is at this point, and Ben's "Run Luke, run!" is essential. As for the specifics of the clip, yes it is very rough, and obviously the editor did not have top of the line tech. However I thought many of the music cues were great. The Force theme when Obi-Wan speaks of immortality (though Hardcore Legend' suggestion may indeed be superior), the transition from there back into Battle of the Heroes as their sabers clash again, and the crescendo into the Duel of the Fates sounding clip of BotH during the longshot of their surprisingly rapid bit of fencing. Then of course the music accompanying Obi-Wan death and the escape from the Death Star is amazing, much more appropriate than the sped-up Princess Leia's theme used original.