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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
If that is what Sage was trying to say, he should have explained it better. I'm no fan of France, but there are sadly places in the UK and America where the same thing would happen.
If that is what Sage was trying to say, he should have explained it better. I'm no fan of France, but there are sadly places in the UK and America where the same thing would happen.
I honestly don't know why this is causing so much confusion. The word "France" is really not that misleading. Yes, this type of thing happens elsewhere, but the previous poster has it correct. For all the BS that the EU puts out about how humanitarian they are, this picture and other incidents in the past go to show that their system places absolutely no value on individual life. Which is why they have government funded abortion, free heroin clinics, state-sponsored euthanasia, etc.
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I'll go first. I'm from Brazil, kind of working and/or living in two cities now, Campinas and São Paulo. In Campinas you'll see homeless people often, but not as much as in São Paulo, where ther are places infested with them. Also, you'll see lots of children in the street, asking for money, or selling stuff like candy. You'll see lots of people aged 18-25 doing such thing, most of them are this age.
There are several homeless people in the downtown areas, sometimes even with small children with them, asking for money. Older people are kinda rare to see. You might see children by themselves in such situation, but these are kinda dangerous, because these children DO have a place to go, either their own home or an orfan's home or an institution, but they refuse to go because they are on drugs or something, and they know that if they go to these places, they won't get any.
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Suburb of Cleveland, Ohio.
I walk about 0.3 miles to work every day, so its really hard for me to see homeless people there. At work, oh, I'm sure that some of the people that walk into the library are homeless, but I don't ask. I can only think of one person that looked homeless in the library.
However, if I have to drive into downtown Cleveland, I see a fair number of homeless. I'd have to say they are mostly 30+ years old. I don't recall ever seeing kids.
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I've talked with a man from Houston, and he said that sometimes the local government moves away the homeless people there for other parts of the city, depending on the need, sometimes when there's a chief of state, or turists, or something.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
I live in East TN, and I almost never see homeless people. And when I do, it's most always the same guy.
They've probably all been put on a bus to SF...I live in East TN, and I almost never see homeless people. And when I do, it's most always the same guy.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Really, only three to five?
I've talked with a man from Houston, and he said that sometimes the local government moves away the homeless people there for other parts of the city, depending on the need, sometimes when there's a chief of state, or turists, or something.
Really, only three to five?
I've talked with a man from Houston, and he said that sometimes the local government moves away the homeless people there for other parts of the city, depending on the need, sometimes when there's a chief of state, or turists, or something.
I find that quite hard to believe, to be honest. I've never been to Texas, so I can't say for sure, but I will say that Texas is extremely protecting of their freedom, and I can't imagine too many people going along with that.
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Jed's point is that France goes on and on in the UN and in public discourse about how everyone else should be as humanitarian as they are, and yet their people walk by a homeless guy on the street and don't seem to be batting an eyelash.
Texas and the US in general let their actions speak for them, be it for good or ill.*
(I'm not defending or attacking this position, just commenting)
*Ugh. I've been reading too much Tolkien.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Eh. There are corrupt politicians everywhere.
Jed's point is that France goes on and on in the UN and in public discourse about how everyone else should be as humanitarian as they are, and yet their people walk by a homeless guy on the street and don't seem to be batting an eyelash.
Texas and the US in general let their actions speak for them, be it for good or ill.*
(I'm not defending or attacking this position, just commenting)
Eh. There are corrupt politicians everywhere.
Jed's point is that France goes on and on in the UN and in public discourse about how everyone else should be as humanitarian as they are, and yet their people walk by a homeless guy on the street and don't seem to be batting an eyelash.
Texas and the US in general let their actions speak for them, be it for good or ill.*
(I'm not defending or attacking this position, just commenting)
England and America both consider themselves to be good nations with good morals and standards, and we are just as guilty and have just as big a homelss problem (have you ever been to San Francisco? Seriusly, it is shocking). Don't get me wrong, I'm by no means a fan of the french, but this is just french bashing for the hell of it. What about that BumFight website? That was American. There are thousands of Homeless in England, and I'm sure there are people who ignore and walk by them every day. I mean, I try to give them some change and even stop for a chat but not all the time. Sometimes I'm late for work or I don't have any money or I want to buy something with my money. If you want to talk about the homeless problem in general, or the sad fact that society totally sucks and many get left behind, be my guest, but dissing the French as if your shit don't stink, well, it's hypocritical at the least because that's exactly what you are angry at them for doing in the UN.
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
England and America both consider themselves to be good nations with good morals and standards, and we are just as guilty and have just as big a homelss problem (have you ever been to San Francisco? Seriusly, it is shocking). Don't get me wrong, I'm by no means a fan of the french, but this is just french bashing for the hell of it. What about that BumFight website? That was American. There are thousands of Homeless in England, and I'm sure there are people who ignore and walk by them every day. I mean, I try to give them some change and even stop for a chat but not all the time. Sometimes I'm late for work or I don't have any money or I want to buy something with my money. If you want to talk about the homeless problem in general, or the sad fact that society totally sucks and many get left behind, be my guest, but dissing the French as if your shit don't stink, well, it's hypocritical at the least because that's exactly what you are angry at them for doing in the UN.
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Eh. There are corrupt politicians everywhere.
Jed's point is that France goes on and on in the UN and in public discourse about how everyone else should be as humanitarian as they are, and yet their people walk by a homeless guy on the street and don't seem to be batting an eyelash.
Texas and the US in general let their actions speak for them, be it for good or ill.*
(I'm not defending or attacking this position, just commenting)
Eh. There are corrupt politicians everywhere.
Jed's point is that France goes on and on in the UN and in public discourse about how everyone else should be as humanitarian as they are, and yet their people walk by a homeless guy on the street and don't seem to be batting an eyelash.
Texas and the US in general let their actions speak for them, be it for good or ill.*
(I'm not defending or attacking this position, just commenting)
England and America both consider themselves to be good nations with good morals and standards, and we are just as guilty and have just as big a homelss problem (have you ever been to San Francisco? Seriusly, it is shocking). Don't get me wrong, I'm by no means a fan of the french, but this is just french bashing for the hell of it. What about that BumFight website? That was American. There are thousands of Homeless in England, and I'm sure there are people who ignore and walk by them every day. I mean, I try to give them some change and even stop for a chat but not all the time. Sometimes I'm late for work or I don't have any money or I want to buy something with my money. If you want to talk about the homeless problem in general, or the sad fact that society totally sucks and many get left behind, be my guest, but dissing the French as if your shit don't stink, well, it's hypocritical at the least because that's exactly what you are angry at them for doing in the UN.
Let me ask you something YIYF, and also Ric if he's watching: Do you believe that any country/people on earth are morally better than anyone else? Or do you believe "perspectives" can be used to justify anything? For example, do you believe the nations that support Al-Queda are less moral than the US or UK? Or is it that their actions are ok because "we're all evil too"?
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The French have no right to preach about humanitarian and homeless issues, but neither do you guys.
p.s Why the hell am I sticking up for France?!
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Originally posted by: JediSage
Let me ask you something YIYF, and also Ric if he's watching: Do you believe that any country/people on earth are morally better than anyone else? Or do you believe "perspectives" can be used to justify anything? For example, do you believe the nations that support Al-Queda are less moral than the US or UK? Or is it that their actions are ok because "we're all evil too"?
Let me ask you something YIYF, and also Ric if he's watching: Do you believe that any country/people on earth are morally better than anyone else? Or do you believe "perspectives" can be used to justify anything? For example, do you believe the nations that support Al-Queda are less moral than the US or UK? Or is it that their actions are ok because "we're all evil too"?
Okay I think it is unfair that you are having me on that discussion, because I didn't make any political or country oriented comments. I did the Houston comment because that was the only reference I had from another country, because no one talks about it! I don`t belive ANY country is morally better than the other, that's ridiculous. And Al Qaeda and stuff, did I mention this in any form? I belive the homeles people problem, which is what I was talking about, is absolutely apolitical, and a social problem, and I was curious about it. I mean, I spoke about my own country and how it has this kinds of problems, and it's worse than any other (and YIYF, it's worse here than in San Francisco, I'm sure).
You might have me on such discussions on the political thread, and I'll reply properly if so, but not on this thread. I did not make any political comments, and if it felt like it, well, I apologize, it was not my intention.
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Hating the French is not racism, since "French" is a nationality, not a race. There's a difference. That being said, yes I (and most Americans) do harshly criticize the French. We're hardly in the minority of people (especially in the western world) that criticize others (I'm reminded of the "How can 40 million people be so dumb" quote from the UK newspaper after Bush was reelected).
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Originally posted by: JediSage
Hating the French is not racism, since "French" is a nationality, not a race. There's a difference. That being said, yes I (and most Americans) do harshly criticize the French. We're hardly in the minority of people (especially in the western world) that criticize others (I'm reminded of the "How can 40 million people be so dumb" quote from the UK newspaper after Bush was reelected).
Hating the French is not racism, since "French" is a nationality, not a race. There's a difference. That being said, yes I (and most Americans) do harshly criticize the French. We're hardly in the minority of people (especially in the western world) that criticize others (I'm reminded of the "How can 40 million people be so dumb" quote from the UK newspaper after Bush was reelected).
I do not hate any nation (except for my own, and it's different). I hate SOME countries political leaders, and only a few of those. I do not hate the people from any country. I don't personally know any French, but they are good people I suppose. And I belive Americans dislike SOME political moves by France, not the people or the culture itself.
That quote from the UK newspaper, I belive that is stupid, the media should not take sides at all. That's why I criticize this newspaper's headline, it's ridiculous, and also that's why I criticize Fox News. I mean, Fox News does the same, dosen't it? Do I belive the republican party is the best for america? No. Neither is the democratic, either. Would I say something like "how can 40 million people be so dumb"? I would, if moved by the emotion of the moment. Would I print it on a newspaper's headline? No.
Also, don't point your fingers at europeans for this headline, as I've heard harsher things being said about the Bush administration in america itself, so...
And before anyone accuses me of being, like, anti-american or anything like that, as I've been accused before, lemme say I have nothing against America itself, nothing. I work with and for americans, and I only have good things to say about them. I have nothing against the american cultural invasion, with pop culture and movies and fast food chains, I say welcome, you are saving us from horrible foreign food and movies. It's a great people and a great country, which I do admire and respect. What I dislike is the actions taken by the government over the years, which, I belive, do not follow what it's country and people is suppose to stand for.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
I do not hate any nation (except for my own, and it's different). I hate SOME countries political leaders, and only a few of those. I do not hate the people from any country. I don't personally know any French, but they are good people I suppose. And I belive Americans dislike SOME political moves by France, not the people or the culture itself.
That quote from the UK newspaper, I belive that is stupid, the media should not take sides at all. That's why I criticize this newspaper's headline, it's ridiculous, and also that's why I criticize Fox News. I mean, Fox News does the same, dosen't it? Do I belive the republican party is the best for america? No. Neither is the democratic, either. Would I say something like "how can 40 million people be so dumb"? I would, if moved by the emotion of the moment. Would I print it on a newspaper's headline? No.
Also, don't point your fingers at europeans for this headline, as I've heard harsher things being said about the Bush administration in america itself, so...
And before anyone accuses me of being, like, anti-american or anything like that, as I've been accused before, lemme say I have nothing against America itself, nothing. I work with and for americans, and I only have good things to say about them. I have nothing against the american cultural invasion, with pop culture and movies and fast food chains, I say welcome, you are saving us from horrible foreign food and movies. It's a great people and a great country, which I do admire and respect. What I dislike is the actions taken by the government over the years, which, I belive, do not follow what it's country and people is suppose to stand for.
Originally posted by: JediSage
Hating the French is not racism, since "French" is a nationality, not a race. There's a difference. That being said, yes I (and most Americans) do harshly criticize the French. We're hardly in the minority of people (especially in the western world) that criticize others (I'm reminded of the "How can 40 million people be so dumb" quote from the UK newspaper after Bush was reelected).
Hating the French is not racism, since "French" is a nationality, not a race. There's a difference. That being said, yes I (and most Americans) do harshly criticize the French. We're hardly in the minority of people (especially in the western world) that criticize others (I'm reminded of the "How can 40 million people be so dumb" quote from the UK newspaper after Bush was reelected).
I do not hate any nation (except for my own, and it's different). I hate SOME countries political leaders, and only a few of those. I do not hate the people from any country. I don't personally know any French, but they are good people I suppose. And I belive Americans dislike SOME political moves by France, not the people or the culture itself.
That quote from the UK newspaper, I belive that is stupid, the media should not take sides at all. That's why I criticize this newspaper's headline, it's ridiculous, and also that's why I criticize Fox News. I mean, Fox News does the same, dosen't it? Do I belive the republican party is the best for america? No. Neither is the democratic, either. Would I say something like "how can 40 million people be so dumb"? I would, if moved by the emotion of the moment. Would I print it on a newspaper's headline? No.
Also, don't point your fingers at europeans for this headline, as I've heard harsher things being said about the Bush administration in america itself, so...
And before anyone accuses me of being, like, anti-american or anything like that, as I've been accused before, lemme say I have nothing against America itself, nothing. I work with and for americans, and I only have good things to say about them. I have nothing against the american cultural invasion, with pop culture and movies and fast food chains, I say welcome, you are saving us from horrible foreign food and movies. It's a great people and a great country, which I do admire and respect. What I dislike is the actions taken by the government over the years, which, I belive, do not follow what it's country and people is suppose to stand for.
Right, but I can criticize a fellow American for criticizing Bush without being accused of "racism". What I can't take is the double-standard. Criticism should be a two way street. Personally, I don't care if anyone on this board likes what I have to say or not. But I'll defend the same right for them as well.
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