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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
But "The Hobbit" was written first, unlike the PT. Bollocks to your point.


The PT story was written first, according to Lucas. According to you, it wasn't.
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At first, it WASN'T, according to Lucas. Then it WAS, according to Lucas. He changed his story, and people like you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

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Nanner, didn't mean you there, that was why I said most. There are some 16 year olds out there who are willing to at least listen and they also reach there opinions in a very intelligent way. But some of what Adam is saying just doesn't work if he hasn't expereinced the O-OT for himself.
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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
At first, it WASN'T, according to Lucas. Then it WAS, according to Lucas. He changed his story, and people like you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.


No, he said on the 1995 ANH VHS that he wrote the backstory so that he would be able to figure out what would happen to the characters in 4, 5, and 6.
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Exactly, and he said that in 1995. He said nothing about a backstory in 1977-1980.

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He didn't think he would ever be able to do the PT back then.
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according to lucas he had a 13 page backstory, and had to fill in the rest starting in late '94. i'm sure he had the volcano thing worked out since he talked of it in the '77 rolling stone but im sure not much else. actually the last 20 minutes of rots right before the duel seemed the most prequel (in a good way) than anything in all the PT, probably because he had that worked out originally.
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I wouldn't doubt that. But the thing is, the little backstory that he DID have was VERY different from what the prequels turned out to be.

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Its' one thing to defend Lucas' right to execute his vision (shifting as it may be) on his own art--but it's another completely to posit that he really did have it all planned from the beginning. he didn't. the evidence is plentiful. He made it up as he went. That shouldn't even be a matter of argument.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: Nanner Split
At first, it WASN'T, according to Lucas. Then it WAS, according to Lucas. He changed his story, and people like you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.


No, he said on the 1995 ANH VHS that he wrote the backstory so that he would be able to figure out what would happen to the characters in 4, 5, and 6.


Yes, and he also said in that same interview that the new projects would be based off that brief backstory, not pulled off the shelf because he'd written them twenty years earlier. And to say that he simply chose to do Episode IV out of a six episode story is just crazy. He basically refutes it in the same quote you're talking about. "In order to write the story, I had to come up with a backstory." Whether or not that's even true, I can't confirm. I basically believe that he had a general outline of what happened in the past, but it basically confirms that the backstory was simply that. The story was "The Adventures of Luke Skywalker."

It wasn't all planned out from the beginning.

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OK, that's all I meant, that he had written a basic 13-page summary. I was under the impression that you didn't believe he wrote ANYTHING until the 90's about the PT.
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the 13 page summary he's talking about was his first story treatment for "Star Wars." Meaning his "backstory" was just a pre-rough draft version of what became Episode IV. He didn't write it to be a backstory, after refining the screenplay, he realized he could use that rough draft as an idea bank, essentially.

He didn't even come up with the idea of making Darth Vader = Anakin Skywalker until during story ideas for ESB. And ESB was titled "Chapter II: The Empire Strikes Back" for the first year of pre-prod.
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lucas had no backstory, youre right bizzle it was just the very rough outline to ANH, which he kinda used in ESB as well, what with the heroes hiding in an asteroid field
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does anyone have a workable link to these scripts? I think i lost my stuff.
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all anyone has to do is go to simply scripts, ther is no prequel backstory anywhere to be found in all the drafts since '74
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Originally posted by: battlewars
according to lucas he had a 13 page backstory, and had to fill in the rest starting in late '94. i'm sure he had the volcano thing worked out since he talked of it in the '77 rolling stone but im sure not much else. actually the last 20 minutes of rots right before the duel seemed the most prequel (in a good way) than anything in all the PT, probably because he had that worked out originally.



Exactly!

Sith is probabley the only back story he had in mind. Well some of it anyway. TPM and AOTC are to me, like a backstory to ROTS.

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It would have never succeeded because the characters aren't lovable (IMO). Though the story is great in the OT, and the effects knocked our socks off, Luke, Leia, and Han were three of the ultimate good guys to root for, and Darth Vader was ultimate bad guy to hate (or love). The Prequels, especially TPM, had none of the above. How could fall in love with QuiGon or an underused Kenobi, or a montone Padme, or Jar Jar? Or think Darth Maul was great when he was only in it for 5 minutes?

Characters, characters, characters, Lucas missed the boat on that one in the PT.
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I think Qui-Gon is one of the best prequel characters created, but I would have changed things around, Obi-Wan should have been a more developed character, rescued the Queen by himself, escaped the invasion, remembered an old former Jedi named Qui-Gon and sought out his help on remote Tatooine to hide out(like Han remembering Lando in ESB)......Qui-Gon has a son (Anakin, who btw should have been Luke's age) since an 8-9 year old boy and a (14?) year old girl hardly make for plausable or interesting romance outside of a sappy Disney video.

To make a long story short, the Queen and Anakin would echo Han and Leia's love/hate relationship, Qui-Gon and Anakin end up joining Obi-Wan on his crusade......no Gungans, no Midichlorians, no Immaculate conception and the Mandalore would have been the Invasion army not the droids..ect.

But this is the wrong thread for my Episode I.
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Interesting stuff, that would actually fuel anakin's hate even more if he saw darth maul kill his father. And then out of freindship to Qui-Gon, Ben trains anakin.
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I'm thinking if Lucas had gone with "Episode I" in 75/76, you WOULD have seen "Darth Maul" or whatever he would have been named then, killing Anakin's father. If I remember, that was one of the story elements in the treatment and the rough draft--our hero, as a teenager, watches his father get cut down by a sith.

Gotta remember, if he'd gone with TPM, it wouldn't be the same as the TPM we got in 99. There'd be some differences, because he didn't already have 3 films worth of story to call back to. Details would have changed, like the above.
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that one thing i like about those early drafts they seem so primitive and mythical, in terms of story and dialogue, i wish the prequels had been more like that instead of all new and modern