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redeeming lucas — Page 4
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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
If it so outdated and you dont like it, why do seem to like hanging around fans of it,?????
If it so outdated and you dont like it, why do seem to like hanging around fans of it,?????
Because, as I've said before, I'm interested in general preservation of rare or unreleased Star Wars footage. You know, the holiday special, old commercials, original cuts of the ewok movies, TV cuts of the Clone Wars series, etc.
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http://www.ORIGINALTRILOGY.com !!!!!!!!!!
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I must say, Adamwankenobi, this is quite a revelation, but when I think about it, I'm not surprised at all. We don't expect you to watch these films and think 'damn, the effects on the O-OT are so much better'. We expect you to understand why we are angered by the storyline changes, though I'm not sure you'll be able to do that, seeing as you've already formed your opinion without having seen it.
But most of all, I hope you can appreciate that things like cleaned-up frames and updated effects could have been achieved without interrupting the flow of the story; without changing the story; and I'm pretty sure, without pissing all of us off. I would have NO problem whatsoever with a CGI cloud city, with a CG battle of Yavin, re-rotoscoped lightsabers, ANYTHING cosmetic that doesn't ruin the story or the characters, but what GL has done is completely different. He doesn't let us have the cake and eat it too. We're expected to eat the cake, even though we only like the icing.
For the record, the effects of the O-OT still hold up in my books. A fully restored version of the O-OT would still be considered impressive by a lot of people.
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But, to me, most effects in the OOT hold up, but some don't. I don't like the old lightsabers, I don't like the puppet Yoda, I don't like the model Tantive IV, etc. Most of my complaints are with ANH, not ESB or ROTJ. ANH still needs some serious work. At the beginning, he needs to replace the Tatooine matte paintings with a better looking Tatooine.
I am a very very different type of Star Wars fan than most I have found at this site. To me, SW is NOT all Luke's story, and I have NO nostalgia associated with the OOT. I greatly enjoy all aspects of it, just as much as the PT, but I see it as one saga, of which Luke's story is one half of. I LIKE changes to the OT. Just like Lucas, I see the OOT as a rough draft. I can never see the OOT the way you do because I didn't see it first, nor did I grow up with it. I am from a new generation of Star Wars fans who see everytyhing differently.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I am a very very different type of Star Wars fan than most I have found at this site. To me, SW is NOT all Luke's story, and I have NO nostalgia associated with the OOT. I greatly enjoy all aspects of it, just as much as the PT, but I see it as one saga, of which Luke's story is one half of. I LIKE changes to the OT. Just like Lucas, I see the OOT as a rough draft. I can never see the OOT the way you do because I didn't see it first, nor did I grow up with it. I am from a new generation of Star Wars fans who see everytyhing differently.
I am a very very different type of Star Wars fan than most I have found at this site. To me, SW is NOT all Luke's story, and I have NO nostalgia associated with the OOT. I greatly enjoy all aspects of it, just as much as the PT, but I see it as one saga, of which Luke's story is one half of. I LIKE changes to the OT. Just like Lucas, I see the OOT as a rough draft. I can never see the OOT the way you do because I didn't see it first, nor did I grow up with it. I am from a new generation of Star Wars fans who see everytyhing differently.
You're the typical TF.N Star Wars fan, is what you are. You get blinded by all the glitz and special effects that you don't realize that the PT are just bad movies. Just bad films, in general. I've sat through lots of bad, lazy films, and the PT fit the category. George Lucas was once an innovative and fresh director. Anyone who has seen "THX 1138", "American Graffitti", or "Star Wars" would know that. But after such a long time out of the director's chair, I'm sad to say that he really has lost his touch. So Adam, you are the typical Teenybopper.
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THEY
ARE
BAD
MOVIES.
GET ME?
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
But, to me, most effects in the OOT hold up, but some don't. I don't like the old lightsabers, I don't like the puppet Yoda, I don't like the model Tantive IV, etc. Most of my complaints are with ANH, not ESB or ROTJ. ANH still needs some serious work. At the beginning, he needs to replace the Tatooine matte paintings with a better looking Tatooine.
But, to me, most effects in the OOT hold up, but some don't. I don't like the old lightsabers, I don't like the puppet Yoda, I don't like the model Tantive IV, etc. Most of my complaints are with ANH, not ESB or ROTJ. ANH still needs some serious work. At the beginning, he needs to replace the Tatooine matte paintings with a better looking Tatooine.
Of course most of your complaints are with ANH and not the other two! You haven't seen them!
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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
The OOT has nothing to do with my hatred of the prequels. I dislike the prequels because they are BAD MOVIES. My hatred of special effects has nothing to do with my hatred of the prequels. The Prequels are BAD MOVIES. Not bad in comparison to the OOT. In comparison to movies in general. They......are.......crappy.......movies. The story, while having a lot of potential, falls flat on its ass because of the writer being unable to get it across well. The acting is stiff, wooden, and all-in-all, something that would make Keanu Reeves proud (which is why I dislike the Matrix movies, but don't get me started). The special-effects don't look real. They don't look like something I can touch with my hands. They look like friggin' cartoons. This has nothing to do with my love of the OOT. This has to do with my love of film, and the art form that it truly is. The prequels are "Plan 9 From Outer Space" with good effects.
THEY
ARE
BAD
MOVIES.
GET ME?
And to me THEY ARE NOT BAD MOVIES. Get me?
Of course most of your complaints are with ANH and not the other two! You haven't seen them!
The OOT has nothing to do with my hatred of the prequels. I dislike the prequels because they are BAD MOVIES. My hatred of special effects has nothing to do with my hatred of the prequels. The Prequels are BAD MOVIES. Not bad in comparison to the OOT. In comparison to movies in general. They......are.......crappy.......movies. The story, while having a lot of potential, falls flat on its ass because of the writer being unable to get it across well. The acting is stiff, wooden, and all-in-all, something that would make Keanu Reeves proud (which is why I dislike the Matrix movies, but don't get me started). The special-effects don't look real. They don't look like something I can touch with my hands. They look like friggin' cartoons. This has nothing to do with my love of the OOT. This has to do with my love of film, and the art form that it truly is. The prequels are "Plan 9 From Outer Space" with good effects.
THEY
ARE
BAD
MOVIES.
GET ME?
And to me THEY ARE NOT BAD MOVIES. Get me?
Originally posted by: sybeman
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
But, to me, most effects in the OOT hold up, but some don't. I don't like the old lightsabers, I don't like the puppet Yoda, I don't like the model Tantive IV, etc. Most of my complaints are with ANH, not ESB or ROTJ. ANH still needs some serious work. At the beginning, he needs to replace the Tatooine matte paintings with a better looking Tatooine.
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
But, to me, most effects in the OOT hold up, but some don't. I don't like the old lightsabers, I don't like the puppet Yoda, I don't like the model Tantive IV, etc. Most of my complaints are with ANH, not ESB or ROTJ. ANH still needs some serious work. At the beginning, he needs to replace the Tatooine matte paintings with a better looking Tatooine.
Of course most of your complaints are with ANH and not the other two! You haven't seen them!
No, I'm talking, even compared to the 2004 versions of the OT.
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To me, SW is NOT all Luke's story, and I have NO nostalgia associated with the OOT. I greatly enjoy all aspects of it, just as much as the PT, but I see it as one saga, of which Luke's story is one half of.
I own a copy of the film novelization from 1977, when the film was first released, and emblazoned on the front cover, it says; "STAR WARS: From the Adventures of LUKE SKYWALKER". Looks to me as if it's Luke's story.
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