TITANIC 4K Filmized Open Matte Remaster with original color grading — Page 3

Please, send me link. Thank you!

little-endian said:

MJBenito said:

Hi, I’m quoting your last post but I’ll try to answer every question you’ve asked in this thread.

Thanks. But let me pick up those which got unnoticed:

• What tool(s) do you use for that kind of color adjustments?
• Do they offer any option to apply dither the output before the encoding stage?

BUT it is the only version available in 1.78.

Except for that HDTV version which jakeandelwooduk mentioned, isn’t it?

I tried to compare it with the scope version and besides the fact that not all shots are open matte but sometimes slightly zoomed, the geometry of the shots are also not always matching. After thoughts, I decided it would be too much work to blend 2D and 3D images together cause it would have to be done shot by shot.

I concur, same diagnose. I supposed the effort is also tremendous with “only” the color correction, isn’t it?

But my work on Titanic will stop with the 4K Filmized Open Matte Remaster.

Fair enough.

And the whole project that will also get the 4K Filmized Remaster treatment with adjusted color grading.

What would be great!

V2 is now available and should sync with you all.

Many thanks for sharing and all your great work. Will be enjoyed, backed up and cherished.

Again I wondered what could be accomplished if anyone sane would get access to the original negative and scan that with only minimum color adjustments so it looks right on today’s screens with pristine HDR, preserved film grain, open matte, etc.

Sigh …

I’m working on Premiere Pro with Lumetri color adjustments and I’m using the Voukoder plugin that allows you to use the open source x265 encoding. It offers better encoding resulting that even the best h265 encode settings available in-app. x265 is the encoding solution available on the well-praised Handbrake software. It offers lots of settings including the way x264 needs to encode color settings. In this case, considering the Open Matte version is sourced from a h264 4:2:0 8 bits encoding, I thought the whole 4K Filmized Remaster process would have worked in the same color space… Only to find that the final image had banding and macro blocking issues. That’s why I made a V2 from scratch using 4:2:0 10 bits for the whole remastering process. You’ll surely notice differences from V1 to V2 during deep ocean scenes and final scenes of the movie.

Of course I’ve seen the post regarding the HDTV version but I wanted the best encoding available for the open matte. Even if that means a little more DNR baked in the source.

If only we had access to the OCN… All that work wouldn’t have to happen then.

MJBenito said:

I’m working on Premiere Pro with Lumetri color adjustments[…]

Thanks a lot for your insights. I want to start doing that as well, as the silly color grading of the UHD BD of “Training Day” (otherwise a welcome improvement over the BD) similarly annoys me, asking to be “fixed”.

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a=0&d1=18089&d2=18105&s1=207597&s2=207955&i=0&l=0

In this case, considering the Open Matte version is sourced from a h264 4:2:0 8 bits encoding, I thought the whole 4K Filmized Remaster process would have worked in the same color space… Only to find that the final image had banding and macro blocking issues.

Yes, the reason for that most probably is that during the conversation, not only get the color values shifted around, multipied, divided, etc., but furthermore in the more versatile floating point domain and then transfered back to integers, necessarily getting rounded to the 8 bit (or rather ~ 7.78 bit equivalent, as video signals often only use the values 16-235, so called “limited range”) which then results in distortion; at 8 bit per color perceivable as banding.

My guess would be that for some reason, as so often, no dithering is applied which at 8 bit is a must to avoid banding artifacts. For instance, many Blu-rays also have lots of banding embedded which would not be necessary at any bit depth if one accepts the higher noise floor in return.

That’s why I made a V2 from scratch using 4:2:0 10 bits for the whole remastering process. You’ll surely notice differences from V1 to V2 during deep ocean scenes and final scenes of the movie.

Good move. While dithering is desirable even at 10 bit, probably it isn’t noticeable anymore and when dealing with lossy codecs, higher bit depths might be preferable to dithered 8 bit due to the additional noise it creates. On the other hand, you added some to simulate the film grain anyway. Interesting that it apparently didn’t act as dithering itself to prevent the banding here.

Of course I’ve seen the post regarding the HDTV version but I wanted the best encoding available for the open matte. Even if that means a little more DNR baked in the source.

I contacted him as it would be interesting how that version looks but most probably yours will win overall by cleaner encoding source alone, yes.

Superb work of yours anyway and the fresh/neutral colors are a pleasure compared to all the official releases.

@MJBenito:

While I was actually looking for differences in regard to banding (where V2 is better indeed), I’ve also noticed a color difference between V1 and V2 with the latter tending to be slightly greenish now compared to V1:

https://ibb.co/fksjxtn
https://ibb.co/2kNd0HN

Is that intended?

little-endian said:

@MJBenito:

While I was actually looking for differences in regard to banding (where V2 is better indeed), I’ve also noticed a color difference between V1 and V2 with the latter tending to be slightly greenish now compared to V1:

https://ibb.co/fksjxtn
https://ibb.co/2kNd0HN

Is that intended?

Yes it is, I thought the color grading needed more adjustments and maybe that’s why you get the sensation of a greenish color grading compared to V1. But it’s not, v2 is the best option, trust me.

While the whites appear a hint more neutral to me in V1, at least on my computer screen via VLC (will check in on the A95L later on), the noise distribution I find nicer on V2 as it masks the fuzziness and better takes away the “wax effect” caused by the filtering in the original. An interesting psychological effect that it appears sharper although there isn’t more detail (sharp [no pun intended] tongues might say that this is part of film material’s secret).

For the others, @19:02, look at the guy’s above:

https://ibb.co/YXwLZ5q
https://ibb.co/176Btz2

Update after checking the differences on the TV:

Interestingly, the color shift is way less apparent than on the PC with VLC. As for banding, I still have some in the V2 (especially in the underwater sequence at the beginning), but I suppose that this is already embedded in the 3D source.

About the HDTV open matte rip:

jakeandelwooduk was so kind to provide me the HDTV open matte rip (in 25 fps) and again, it is quite different from the 3D one. A lot more color saturation and the framing also seems to be slightly different (besides the lower bitrate and thus data reduction artefacts of course):

https://ibb.co/PxfG3Bq
https://ibb.co/7jdh9pM

Hi there, I’m so grateful for the work that has been done to these. This is more filmic looking, and colours are far more natural and pleasing to my eye. Having watched my 4k transfer the other day, the differences are fresh in my mind. I actually thought about purchasing the the 3d version just to watch with the open matte ratio! Then came across this. I’d love to be considered to receive this version also, It’s stunning! Please let me know how to proceed.

Kind regards,
T.

little-endian said:

Update after checking the differences on the TV:

Interestingly, the color shift is way less apparent than on the PC with VLC. As for banding, I still have some in the V2 (especially in the underwater sequence at the beginning), but I suppose that this is already embedded in the 3D source.

I recommend using MPC-BE (aka MPC Black Edition) instead for superior playback. MPV is considered the gold standard but it’s not as user friendly.

little-endian said:

jakeandelwooduk was so kind to provide me the HDTV open matte rip (in 25 fps) and again, it is quite different from the 3D one. A lot more color saturation and the framing also seems to be slightly different (besides the lower bitrate and thus data reduction artefacts of course):

https://ibb.co/PxfG3Bq
https://ibb.co/7jdh9pM

Can you also share it with me ? I’ll see what I can do.

MJBenito said:

little-endian said:

jakeandelwooduk was so kind to provide me the HDTV open matte rip (in 25 fps) and again, it is quite different from the 3D one. A lot more color saturation and the framing also seems to be slightly different (besides the lower bitrate and thus data reduction artefacts of course):

https://ibb.co/PxfG3Bq
https://ibb.co/7jdh9pM

Can you also share it with me ? I’ll see what I can do.

Is this referring to the 15.97 GB’s mkv on Rutracker?

This is truly the definitive version. I cannot WAIT to see this as the sharpening in the 4k version was so disappointing to me. 😦

Also, if anyone has the link, please share via pm 😃

Does this keep freezing up for anyone else besides me? The other movie file I have on the Zip drive plays fine and it’s not at capacity.

ConstipatedSpidey said:

Does this keep freezing up for anyone else besides me? The other movie file I have on the Zip drive plays fine and it’s not at capacity.

The file is big and the bitrate as well. You should try another player.

This looks absolutely incredible, the colours look so much better. Id love to get a copy if possible please and thank you!

@MJBenito
Hello and …wow ! This is exactly what I dreamed of!
The screenshots look fantastic.
Could you send me the links to V1 and V2, please ?
Thanks in advance.

MJBenito said:

ConstipatedSpidey said:

Does this keep freezing up for anyone else besides me? The other movie file I have on the Zip drive plays fine and it’s not at capacity.

The file is big and the bitrate as well. You should try another player.

That worked, thank you. This is EPIC!!

I would greatly appreciate a link as well, please. I really like your color grading choices.

Great work! It looks so much better than the official 4K release. Can I get the link to download this? I would love to see the finished product.

PMs sent

This is absolutely stunning! It’s just what I’ve been looking for for a long time! I bought the 4K Blu-ray right when it came out but the greenish looking color grading absolutely disappointed me. What you did here is a much better result, aesthetically in my opinion. Are you finished with the restoration? I would absolutely love a copy if you’re sharing or even selling this, I would absolutely cherish it!

This looks great! I’d love a link if possible.

😮😯😲😍

I would apreciate if you could send me the LINK, Titanic IS my all time fav. This project IS realy interesting.

Guys, I’m taking a break for 2 weeks, going on holiday and so on. I’ll send every new requested links for the various 4K Filmized Remasters when I’m back home. In the meantime, if any member here has completed files from my Resilio sync and is willing to share with others, just feel free. I don’t have any property on these0 remasters and never will. This is for our passion of cinema. Just make sure you got official copies at home. Thanks for your patience. When I get back home, I’ll bring more 4K Filmized Remasters, including Avatar Extended Collector Edition and SW 1-2-3.