Originally posted by: The Bizzle
LOL. Wow, I know you're biased, dude, but at least PRETEND to be fair
Lucas had QUITE a bit of editorial override on ANH, and directed from editing just as much as he did on later movies. Sure, there were some times that Marcia and Richard just chopped together whole sequences and presented them to him for approval, but a LOT of the time Lucas was RIGHT THERE in the room with them directing them and helping edit right along with them. This isn't to take away from the Oscar they won or the time they put into it, but to act as if Lucas had nothing to do with the editing is disingenous
And on ESB, Lucas had a LOT to do with that story AND the screenplay. Kasdan himself admits a lot of what he did was simply dialog replacement. The story beats, the structure--that was all Lucas. He also helped oversee the editing there near the end. And considering the only part of ROTJ that EVERYONE universally declares as great are the throne room scenes--and those are the parts Lucas pretty much personally directed and edited together himself? C'mon now.
Lucas wrote ROTS, with SOME dialog punchup (mostly Palpatine's lines only) by Tom Stoppard. The rest of the script is entirely him, as well as the direction, which is possibly the most fluid and dynamic camerawork he's ever done.
Except he's also the reason the Saga has soared, so whaddya do?
LOL. Wow, I know you're biased, dude, but at least PRETEND to be fair
Lucas had QUITE a bit of editorial override on ANH, and directed from editing just as much as he did on later movies. Sure, there were some times that Marcia and Richard just chopped together whole sequences and presented them to him for approval, but a LOT of the time Lucas was RIGHT THERE in the room with them directing them and helping edit right along with them. This isn't to take away from the Oscar they won or the time they put into it, but to act as if Lucas had nothing to do with the editing is disingenous
And on ESB, Lucas had a LOT to do with that story AND the screenplay. Kasdan himself admits a lot of what he did was simply dialog replacement. The story beats, the structure--that was all Lucas. He also helped oversee the editing there near the end. And considering the only part of ROTJ that EVERYONE universally declares as great are the throne room scenes--and those are the parts Lucas pretty much personally directed and edited together himself? C'mon now.
Lucas wrote ROTS, with SOME dialog punchup (mostly Palpatine's lines only) by Tom Stoppard. The rest of the script is entirely him, as well as the direction, which is possibly the most fluid and dynamic camerawork he's ever done.
In my mind, Lucas is the reason the saga's suffered, not esb.
Except he's also the reason the Saga has soared, so whaddya do?
Originally posted by: The Bizzle
LOL. Wow, I know you're biased, dude, but at least PRETEND to be fair
Lucas had QUITE a bit of editorial override on ANH, and directed from editing just as much as he did on later movies. Sure, there were some times that Marcia and Richard just chopped together whole sequences and presented them to him for approval, but a LOT of the time Lucas was RIGHT THERE in the room with them directing them and helping edit right along with them. This isn't to take away from the Oscar they won or the time they put into it, but to act as if Lucas had nothing to do with the editing is disingenous
And on ESB, Lucas had a LOT to do with that story AND the screenplay. Kasdan himself admits a lot of what he did was simply dialog replacement. The story beats, the structure--that was all Lucas. He also helped oversee the editing there near the end. And considering the only part of ROTJ that EVERYONE universally declares as great are the throne room scenes--and those are the parts Lucas pretty much personally directed and edited together himself? C'mon now.
Lucas wrote ROTS, with SOME dialog punchup (mostly Palpatine's lines only) by Tom Stoppard. The rest of the script is entirely him, as well as the direction, which is possibly the most fluid and dynamic camerawork he's ever done.
In my mind, Lucas is the reason the saga's suffered, not esb.
Except he's also the reason the Saga has soared, so whaddya do?
Originally posted by: The Bizzle
LOL. Wow, I know you're biased, dude, but at least PRETEND to be fair
Lucas had QUITE a bit of editorial override on ANH, and directed from editing just as much as he did on later movies. Sure, there were some times that Marcia and Richard just chopped together whole sequences and presented them to him for approval, but a LOT of the time Lucas was RIGHT THERE in the room with them directing them and helping edit right along with them. This isn't to take away from the Oscar they won or the time they put into it, but to act as if Lucas had nothing to do with the editing is disingenous
And on ESB, Lucas had a LOT to do with that story AND the screenplay. Kasdan himself admits a lot of what he did was simply dialog replacement. The story beats, the structure--that was all Lucas. He also helped oversee the editing there near the end. And considering the only part of ROTJ that EVERYONE universally declares as great are the throne room scenes--and those are the parts Lucas pretty much personally directed and edited together himself? C'mon now.
Lucas wrote ROTS, with SOME dialog punchup (mostly Palpatine's lines only) by Tom Stoppard. The rest of the script is entirely him, as well as the direction, which is possibly the most fluid and dynamic camerawork he's ever done.
In my mind, Lucas is the reason the saga's suffered, not esb.
Except he's also the reason the Saga has soared, so whaddya do?
yeah, don't remind me... I know how biased I sounded. I honestly wish I didn't hit post, but I was in a rush and needed the number so...and I still got there late... dammit. down with Lucas it's all his fault.
I wanted to talk about Lucas' decline as director (He just didn't like it, I guess), the loss of Kurtz, the divorce, his looooooooooooong dircetorial vacation, and business before art. All factors which have more to do with the recent quality of his films IMO than ESB being as good as it was. Lucas did ok on RotS, I applaud him on several posts for nixing jar jar, but he had help from some friends which he talks about in interviews, and the editor was some new guy, who I can't remember. The usual good actors did great, and the usual bad actors did bad so Lucas really can't be blamed for that I suppose. You win.
Yeah, I slapped my head a couple times knowing that point about him being the reason star wars even getting started in the first place would come up, and of course it's true. But then he's the one who said star wars was only 25% at most of what he wanted, so in fact, the first movie was crap to him... so.... er... whaddya do? I doubt he'd want people to think it was all him behind its er... greatness? heh