TITANIC 4K Filmized Open Matte Remaster with original color grading — Page 2

waffle said:

jakeandelwooduk said:

Finally got round to watching this and it is now my goto version of this movie, i think the colour grading is soooooo much better. I do think that the saturation could be just a fraction more but i have a TV setting for that, some scenes seem a touch duller due to the tint revision but that is me being super nitpicky. I actually like the slightly over sharpened look of the 4k version and some of the hair strands are not visable on this version probably due to the 3D Bluray source being one half side but the more accurate colour balance makes up for that in this, I can absolutely live with it and this is the best version of this movie i’ve seen since 1997, the audio is stellar too, great job MJBento many thanks!

I agree, the color grading is A+ work. Overall really nice presentation and solid 4k upscale. Great work all around!

Thank you so much.

Incredible work. Very interested in this please.

Please send me a link for this, I would love to have this version, It looks incredible thank you very much!!

This looks incredible, is it possible to get a link for this?

This looks absolutely fantastic
if possible to get a link I would be extremely appreciative

Looks like it’s incredible work. Would really appreciate it if I can get the link or Resilio keys.

Really awesome project MJBenito, care to share the link? Thank you.

Hello and thank you for your work. Is it possible to send the link via PM? 😃

@MJBenito

Having ranted in several forums including Youtube about that insane UHD release of this - from today’s perspective - real classic, I’d love to get a download link as well and highly appreciate the chance to have this movie in a less flawed variant so to say.

Besides the hip AI sharpening, it is beyond me, what moron invented that shitty orange & teal - based kind of color grading in the first place, spreading like a decease. It is so incomprehensibly ugly, unnatural and annoying, grrr. Why can’t they just scan the damn thing and refrain from fiddling around with it, is it so difficult not to mess it up?

Out of interest: with what tool(s) did you perform the color adjustments?

Since the open matte 3D version of the Blu-ray is still more processed than the 2D one, I wonder whether it would be possible to take that as the source instead and extend the missing frame parts with the ones from the 3D version.

Please send me the link to this. It looks great! Thank you!

Thanks for your reviews already. I’m making a V2 version of the 4K Filmized Open Matte remaster with 10 bits color encoding, since I noticed some banding during some scenes under water. Thanks for your patience and let this be the final and definitive version to watch.

That’s great news. Thanks in advance from my side for all the effort!

Some remarks about banding: While I’m not too familiar as of now when it comes to video encodings, in the audio domain, it is always (!) advisable to use dithering in order to transform distortion (in the video domain that corresponds to the infamous ugly banding) into an equally distributed error, resulting in way more pleasant (and often enough not even noticeable) noise.

With video, that may raise the data rate requirements in conjunction with lossy codecs - which would also be my guess why dither is apparently rarely used (besides pure ignorance I suppose) as technically, no bit depth has banding as a direct consequence, but only determines the noise floor under ideal circumstances. Even with 10 bit or whatever bit depth, dither should be applied in theory, but I suppose it is much less of a problem with > 8 bit / color, just as it is neglectable when dealing with 24 bit PCM audio.

So in case you encoding software actually supports (random) dither like the renderer “madVR” does, maybe you can enable that for the next release.

Would love to see this if possible amazing work on the project.

MJBenito said:

Thanks for your reviews already. I’m making a V2 version of the 4K Filmized Open Matte remaster with 10 bits color encoding, since I noticed some banding during some scenes under water. Thanks for your patience and let this be the final and definitive version to watch.

Awesome, thank you for your work always appreciated.

A few further thoughts on that project which might call for a “V3”:

While MJBenito’s color adjustments are great and the slight noise layer maybe rescue at least some filmic style, it cannot hide the already “scrubbed”, de-noised and somewhat waxy nature of the source.

Also, directly comparing the 2D Blu-ray release with the upscaled 3D one, the former still has a bit more resolution (visible on the clothes) so I wonder whether an open matte version could be created out of the 2D source with its higher quality and the missing information above and below stitched together from the 3D open matte version. However, the image angles seem to be a bit different and I’m not sure if either eye frame (left & right) from the 3D BD matches the original 2D film frames.

https://ibb.co/VCCCG5C
https://ibb.co/sPwHC6p

There is also an extended cut floating around from 35mm where the additional scenes don’t seem to be sourced from the film, but rather some Web-DL streaming video.

Sigh, all in all, it is so damn frustrating considering that those morons are sitting on the best source possible, the negatives, and apparently can’t simply release that stuff without screwing things up.

I can’t decide what I find more retarded: the stupid AI sharpening on the UHD-BD, the goddamn orange & teal ugly color gradings on both the Blu-rays or the filtering of the 3D-Blu-ray (the latter one maybe being the least non-sensical in regard to the noise which might distract in a 3D experience, although I doubt even that as our human vision isn’t noise-free either thanks to retinal-noise which can be very visible as well). Even if, there is no good reason not to release the open matte in 2D without the damn noise filtering.

So at the end, neither version is really great.

@MJBenito: maybe you could consider to release also a regraded version like this one here, but based on the 2D cinema scope source with its better quality or test another version with even more noise added as the Blu-ray has a lot more (color) noise than its 3D counterpart:

https://ibb.co/C8tfQ09
https://ibb.co/W6kqXKp

little-endian said:

A few further thoughts on that project which might call for a “V3”:

While MJBenito’s color adjustments are great and the slight noise layer maybe rescue at least some filmic style, it cannot hide the already “scrubbed”, de-noised and somewhat waxy nature of the source.

Also, directly comparing the 2D Blu-ray release with the upscaled 3D one, the former still has a bit more resolution (visible on the clothes) so I wonder whether an open matte version could be created out of the 2D source with its higher quality and the missing information above and below stitched together from the 3D open matte version. However, the image angles seem to be a bit different and I’m not sure if either eye frame (left & right) from the 3D BD matches the original 2D film frames.

https://ibb.co/VCCCG5C
https://ibb.co/sPwHC6p

There is also an extended cut floating around from 35mm where the additional scenes don’t seem to be sourced from the film, but rather some Web-DL streaming video.

Sigh, all in all, it is so damn frustrating considering that those morons are sitting on the best source possible, the negatives, and apparently can’t simply release that stuff without screwing things up.

I can’t decide what I find more retarded: the stupid AI sharpening on the UHD-BD, the goddamn orange & teal ugly color gradings on both the Blu-rays or the filtering of the 3D-Blu-ray (the latter one maybe being the least non-sensical in regard to the noise which might distract in a 3D experience, although I doubt even that as our human vision isn’t noise-free either thanks to retinal-noise which can be very visible as well). Even if, there is no good reason not to release the open matte in 2D without the damn noise filtering.

So at the end, neither version is really great.

@MJBenito: maybe you could consider to release also a regraded version like this one here, but based on the 2D cinema scope source with its better quality or test another version with even more noise added as the Blu-ray has a lot more (color) noise than its 3D counterpart:

https://ibb.co/C8tfQ09
https://ibb.co/W6kqXKp

Hi, I’m quoting your last post but I’ll try to answer every question you’ve asked in this thread.

First of all, the 3D open matte version has less grain than its 2D scope counterpart for sure. BUT it is the only version available in 1.78. I tried to compare it with the scope version and besides the fact that not all shots are open matte but sometimes slightly zoomed, the geometry of the shots are also not always matching. After thoughts, I decided it would be too much work to blend 2D and 3D images together cause it would have to be done shot by shot.

The goal of this project has always been to get the biggest picture with the best color grading and the original audio experience. That’s also why I’m actually doing the V2 version with 10 bits color encoding. When it’s released, of course, anyone would be able to use the final rendering and make its own editing choices. But my work on Titanic will stop with the 4K Filmized Open Matte Remaster.

On the other side, I’m also working on an uncut version of the movie in scope, including the deleted scenes. And the whole project that will also get the 4K Filmized Remaster treatment with adjusted color grading. At some point, I might also make an uncut hybrid open matte scope version of the movie but I just don’t have a goal date for these releases.

MJBenito said:

little-endian said:

A few further thoughts on that project which might call for a “V3”:

While MJBenito’s color adjustments are great and the slight noise layer maybe rescue at least some filmic style, it cannot hide the already “scrubbed”, de-noised and somewhat waxy nature of the source.

Also, directly comparing the 2D Blu-ray release with the upscaled 3D one, the former still has a bit more resolution (visible on the clothes) so I wonder whether an open matte version could be created out of the 2D source with its higher quality and the missing information above and below stitched together from the 3D open matte version. However, the image angles seem to be a bit different and I’m not sure if either eye frame (left & right) from the 3D BD matches the original 2D film frames.

https://ibb.co/VCCCG5C
https://ibb.co/sPwHC6p

There is also an extended cut floating around from 35mm where the additional scenes don’t seem to be sourced from the film, but rather some Web-DL streaming video.

Sigh, all in all, it is so damn frustrating considering that those morons are sitting on the best source possible, the negatives, and apparently can’t simply release that stuff without screwing things up.

I can’t decide what I find more retarded: the stupid AI sharpening on the UHD-BD, the goddamn orange & teal ugly color gradings on both the Blu-rays or the filtering of the 3D-Blu-ray (the latter one maybe being the least non-sensical in regard to the noise which might distract in a 3D experience, although I doubt even that as our human vision isn’t noise-free either thanks to retinal-noise which can be very visible as well). Even if, there is no good reason not to release the open matte in 2D without the damn noise filtering.

So at the end, neither version is really great.

@MJBenito: maybe you could consider to release also a regraded version like this one here, but based on the 2D cinema scope source with its better quality or test another version with even more noise added as the Blu-ray has a lot more (color) noise than its 3D counterpart:

https://ibb.co/C8tfQ09
https://ibb.co/W6kqXKp

Hi, I’m quoting your last post but I’ll try to answer every question you’ve asked in this thread.

First of all, the 3D open matte version has less grain than its 2D scope counterpart for sure. BUT it is the only version available in 1.78. I tried to compare it with the scope version and besides the fact that not all shots are open matte but sometimes slightly zoomed, the geometry of the shots are also not always matching. After thoughts, I decided it would be too much work to blend 2D and 3D images together cause it would have to be done shot by shot.

The goal of this project has always been to get the biggest picture with the best color grading and the original audio experience. That’s also why I’m actually doing the V2 version with 10 bits color encoding. When it’s released, of course, anyone would be able to use the final rendering and make its own editing choices. But my work on Titanic will stop with the 4K Filmized Open Matte Remaster.

On the other side, I’m also working on an uncut version of the movie in scope, including the deleted scenes. And the whole project that will also get the 4K Filmized Remaster treatment with adjusted color grading. At some point, I might also make an uncut hybrid open matte scope version of the movie but I just don’t have a goal date for these releases.

Just on this, i have a 1080p HDTV rip of the original open matte version which wasn’t sourced from the 3d bluray but was an HDTV master of the original DVD release colours, its not the best quality but looks nice, i’m happy to share it if it helps, i do believe though it is 25fps so that might pose a problem but could at least be used for reference, see pics below:

HDTV: https://fastpic.org/view/90/2017/0425/1862a1e5546038f1bae7ba97db2d2b32.jpg.html?r=1
3d Bluray:https://fastpic.org/view/91/2017/0425/508bffe2f27810156fb332668bbd5f69.jpg.html?r=1

HDTV:https://fastpic.org/view/89/2017/0425/994b4acca051d6ee1dc16e0f122e61aa.jpg.html?r=1
3d Bluray: https://fastpic.org/view/89/2017/0425/0c2745dd8866208bd839bb71d32bcda8.jpg.html?r=1

HDTV: https://fastpic.org/view/89/2017/0425/4d02dc8371abc31a26c9057e4de9d9a1.jpg.html?r=1
3d Bluray: https://fastpic.org/view/91/2017/0425/959d576f9fba4641de5a49ae489cdb20.jpg.html?r=1

I would also love a link, please, this looks so fantastic, thank you !!!

EDIT : problem solved, V2 is on the way.

Would love to see this, the work looks great so far!

Would love a link if possible 😃

Definitely would love to check this out when it’s available!

Thank you!

V2 is now available and should sync with you all. Thanks for your patience.

MJBenito said:

Hi, I’m quoting your last post but I’ll try to answer every question you’ve asked in this thread.

Thanks. But let me pick up those which got unnoticed:

• What tool(s) do you use for that kind of color adjustments?
• Do they offer any option to apply dither the output before the encoding stage?

BUT it is the only version available in 1.78.

Except for that HDTV version which jakeandelwooduk mentioned, isn’t it?

I tried to compare it with the scope version and besides the fact that not all shots are open matte but sometimes slightly zoomed, the geometry of the shots are also not always matching. After thoughts, I decided it would be too much work to blend 2D and 3D images together cause it would have to be done shot by shot.

I concur, same diagnose. I supposed the effort is also tremendous with “only” the color correction, isn’t it?

But my work on Titanic will stop with the 4K Filmized Open Matte Remaster.

Fair enough.

And the whole project that will also get the 4K Filmized Remaster treatment with adjusted color grading.

What would be great!

V2 is now available and should sync with you all.

Many thanks for sharing and all your great work. Will be enjoyed, backed up and cherished.

Again I wondered what could be accomplished if anyone sane would get access to the original negative and scan that with only minimum color adjustments so it looks right on today’s screens with pristine HDR, preserved film grain, open matte, etc.

Sigh …

MJBenito said:

V2 is now available and should sync with you all. Thanks for your patience.

Syncing now. Thank you for your efforts MJBenito.