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Thanks for all the comments, folks! It definitely looks like a consensus on making a longer high-quality Book 6 conclusion, and perhaps reevaluating in a year or two once we see the status of a Season 4/Mando movie. I am full steam ahead on this grand finale film.

EddieDean said:

It’s tricky. When I edited Clone Wars, there were times when I just had to include certain content, even though it was weaker. To my mind, since Season Three is weaker, I’d make that compromise, and have its movies just be the best I could make them. Your AI lines are excellent, and I think that gives you the best options here for improving season three’s movies. And I think your latest Book 5 is just so, so good. So for me, I’d stick with your book 5, and focus on doing what you can for Book 6/7 with the season three content.

You’re definitely drawn to your current approach - it’s where you ended up when you watched season three originally - so there must be merit to it. Instead of arguing my existing stance further, I’ll suggest a middle stance here instead, for your consideration:

  • Book 5: Remains as it is right now. Mando and Boba focus, with Grogu absent.
  • Book 6: A single movie from ALL of season three, trimmed, plus the remaining Grogu-Luke content. Perhaps you drop the vast majority of the sidequests from season three, including Gorian Shard’s pirates and perhaps even the rocky planet covert (using instead the movie 5 ringworld covert to set up the redemption). Have your Groguless redemption, almost directly into the hiring of Axe Woves and giving Bo Katan the darksaber, intercut with Grogu’s training and return to Mando, and then straight into reclaiming Mandalore since he’s just discovered it’s unpoisoned. That way, Mando’s arc is about redemption and reclaiming Mandalore all in one, and Grogu’s is about returning to Mando. Character focus amongst the large-scale conflict.

Looking at that proposed structure, the main challenge is that I need the Nevarro scenes with Bo-Katan and the Armorer. Those are quite essential, and I am currently re-voicing the Armorer here so that her reasoning makes a little more sense for Bo-Katan to remove her helmet and unite the clans for the sake of Mandalore, as I thought the original lines were quite confusing and vague. If I cut out the whole Nevarro-pirates arc, I lose why the Mandalorians use Nevarro as a staging ground. I am also altering Greef’s lines so that he doesn’t gift it to them as a home, he now thanks them and says he appreciates that they have moved past their rocky history together to a brighter future. Same with the Rock World scenes, I need a lot of those to drive forward main pot points regarding Bo-Katan.

At the end of the day, Boba Fett doesn’t have enough content to be a major player in both Books 5 AND 6, he can only shine in one of them. I think it makes a little more sense for the focus of Book 5 to be on Din rather than Boba, as we have just had Din go through such a transformative event by giving Grogu away and it’s a huge hook to see what he’s going through. I always thought he kind of helps Boba Fett for no reason in the D+ series and it was just forced so Grogu could join them, but if I structure this story into Book 6 instead, he has a big purpose for aiding Boba… He is buying himself a favor so that Boba is freed up to join the battle for Mandalore. I quite like bringing Boba back in Book 6 for a full story about trying to maintain control of his territory and contributing to Mandalore’s aid. I think we did a great carving out a high-quality Boba story to utilize, so I want to keep that intact but just shift it back to making him an integral part of the conclusion rather than having him drop off the map for Book 6.

In my outline above, Book 6 we see Din find belonging in his clan and serve a purpose in reuniting Boba and the Night Owls, he sacrifices and gives Bo-Katan the darksaber (in a new, revoiced speech that I think is MUCH stronger reasoning), he reunites with Grogu, and is a key figure in reclaiming Mandalore. So he gets a great arc in both Books 5 & 6 this way.

As far as the Pershing interlude idea, I just don’t think there’s that much I can do to improve it as a standalone story. I can make some very minor edits, but it is what it is… It’s just an out-of-place storyline that hogs the spotlight and doesn’t lead to much, but it’s well-produced for what it is. I am leaning towards utilizing several scenes in Book 6 to lead to Gideon’s return as my outline post above shows.

Will post some more preview scenes next week!

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I agree that making one film of better quality is much preferred over doing two films of stretched content.

I wil say, 3 hours sounds like a bit much for a Star Wars film. I’d say 2:30 - 2:45 should be the absolute MAX. Revenge of the Sith fully extended is only 2:30 and thats probably the most content packed film in the franchise.

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I’ve just read over your latest proposed structure for movies 5+ again.

I totally see the value in pulling the Mando S3 stuff earlier than some of Boba, and of modifying some of the Boba story into Mando recruitment. I like what you’ve done with Plazir too, keeping the good parts by reworking them into an Imperial plot. There’s definitely a big value add to all of this.

I’m still a big advocate for using as much content as possible though (suggesting three movies), and there are three remaining ‘strong endings’:

  • BOBF’s big final fight
  • Gorian Shard battle
  • Mandalore finale
    There’s also the sense that, despite your good work, sitting Boba on the throne really feels like an end-of-movie tag, and promise of what’s to come.

So here’s (yet) another suggestion:

  • Movie 5: As you propose. Mando and Grogu apart. Lovely arc focused on Mando’s loneliness post-Grogu, apostasy, redemption, and establishment of Nevarro as a staging ground. End on the tag of Boba taking the throne.
  • Movie 6: Your excellent current BoBF movie 5 as the core. Grogu’s training with Luke and eventual rejoining Mando. Mando’s scenes on Plazir early on, and the general mobilising and prep for the Mandalorians in the background. (Presumably you already have decent voice lines to explain why the Mandos are still using Rock World while also staging out of Nevarro.) End the movie on Boba committing his help to the Mandalorians, and ideally something about the Mandalorians being ready to retake their planet. Reveal Gideon’s escaped his prison ship.
  • Movie 7: Main focus on Pershing (initially) intercut with Boba being delayed by the Hutts. Into the finale two parter and your inclusion of Boba in it too, for that Avengers moment.

That way, you get the big bombastic finales, and more time to breathe and use more of the good content. It also gives you more time with Grogu away from Mando, more time for the Mandalorians to establish on Nevarro before retaking Mandalore, and more time for Boba to both take the throne and get established as Daimyo. And each movie brings the Mandalorians closer to retaking Mandalore.

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EddieDean said:

I’m still a big advocate for using as much content as possible though (suggesting three movies), and there are three remaining ‘strong endings’:

  • BOBF’s big final fight
  • Gorian Shard battle
  • Mandalore finale

I agree here, but the problem I’m facing isn’t with the endings, it’s with the lack of beginnings. I have 3 good endings, but only content to sustain a beginning and middle for 2 films. This is why I was considering moving the BoBF fight into an Act 2 conclusion of a 4-act film in Book 6.

So here’s (yet) another suggestion:

  • Movie 5: As you propose. Mando and Grogu apart. Lovely arc focused on Mando’s loneliness post-Grogu, apostasy, redemption, and establishment of Nevarro as a staging ground. End on the tag of Boba taking the throne.
  • Movie 6: Your excellent current BoBF movie 5 as the core. Grogu’s training with Luke and eventual rejoining Mando. Mando’s scenes on Plazir early on, and the general mobilising and prep for the Mandalorians in the background. (Presumably you already have decent voice lines to explain why the Mandos are still using Rock World while also staging out of Nevarro.) End the movie on Boba committing his help to the Mandalorians, and ideally something about the Mandalorians being ready to retake their planet. Reveal Gideon’s escaped his prison ship.
  • Movie 7: Main focus on Pershing (initially) intercut with Boba being delayed by the Hutts. Into the finale two parter and your inclusion of Boba in it too, for that Avengers moment.

That way, you get the big bombastic finales, and more time to breathe and use more of the good content. It also gives you more time with Grogu away from Mando, more time for the Mandalorians to establish on Nevarro before retaking Mandalore, and more time for Boba to both take the throne and get established as Daimyo. And each movie brings the Mandalorians closer to retaking Mandalore.

I would love to do this, but that proposed Book 7 doesn’t have the Mando-Grogu content to sustain it. I structured every single remaining unused scene, and I wrote in a previous post “If I combine all of Dr. Pershing, all of my unused BoBF scenes focusing on Boba, and the whole assault on Mandalore, I can indeed make a functioning 2-hour movie. But Din and Grogu are only the focus of like 10-20% of it, and most of that is them fighting. They barely get any dialogue or development and it feels terrible and jarring to watch.” They aren’t the main characters of that proposed film and as I watched the scenes play out, it was extremely anti-climatic, especially coming off watching their reunion at the end of Book 6, you’re expecting this incredible story with them as the focus again and it’s the complete opposite. I don’t have the content even to move storylines around like I did in Seasons 1-2 because even though Din and Grogu are reunited in the Disney show, Grogu goes away for all of the Plazir-15 episode, Grogu goes away for all of Raptor kid rescue episode, Grogu/Din are pretty much not in the Pershing episode, and for some reason Din and Grogu are not the narrative focus of the assault on Mandalore and are mostly side characters in a larger storyline. So even without me VFX’ing Grogu out of the mines, I already have about 40% less footage of them together to work with in Season 3 compared to earlier seasons. I have some touching moments in the N-1 that I haven’t used but those are going in during their trip to retake Mandalore and are only ~2 minutes, but there really aren’t many other options for additional scene movements, the base content just doesn’t exist in Season 3.

If you think I’m missing something there with your Book 7 idea, I’m very open to solutions to it. So while I can make a 2-hour movie with your plan, Grogu and Din are only the focus of ~20 minutes of it, and that makes me uncomfortable for the saga concluding film. It would never make it to a theater like that, so I am not too fond of doing it here just for the sake of maxing content/runtime.

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That’s all totally fair, and you’ve definitely put way more thought into it than me.

I suppose our difference of sentiment/approach here is in our reactions to the fact that, as you point out, there’s little Mando-Grogu meat in Season 3. You say ‘…and therefore I’m doing all I can to fix it’, which is absolutely a valid approach, and if you can pull it off (which is likely!) the whole will end up all the stronger for it. Whereas I’m more saying ‘…and therefore I’ll accept the lesser focus and take a solid Season 3 movie version which simply doesn’t have a lot of Mando-Grogu’. For me, both Mando and Grogu took more of a backseat in the season compared to Bo Katan and the Mandalorians, and I’m OK with that. But, arguably, it is Mando’s show, and he and Grogu should be more prominent.

I’m still very, very eager to see you succeed here. I think you’ve got what it takes (strategically and technically) to pull off your ambitious fixing.

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I kinda came around on the idea of a Pershing Minisode. If it comes without the Way of Mandalore branding.

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EddieDean said:
I suppose our difference of sentiment/approach here is in our reactions to the fact that, as you point out, there’s little Mando-Grogu meat in Season 3. You say ‘…and therefore I’m doing all I can to fix it’, which is absolutely a valid approach, and if you can pull it off (which is likely!) the whole will end up all the stronger for it. Whereas I’m more saying ‘…and therefore I’ll accept the lesser focus and take a solid Season 3 movie version which simply doesn’t have a lot of Mando-Grogu’. For me, both Mando and Grogu took more of a backseat in the season compared to Bo Katan and the Mandalorians, and I’m OK with that. But, arguably, it is Mando’s show, and he and Grogu should be more prominent.

This makes a lot of sense! It does just come down to a “director’s decision” of whether I want to keep the focus of the movies on Din/Grogu or morph it into a bigger-picture story about various Mandalorians as the D+ show itself did. While I do like seeing the growth of Mandalorians in general, I don’t think it was executed well and seemed like a production adjustment rather than the actual plan. For my edit saga, I would prefer to sacrifice a few Pershing/Boba recruitment scenes in favor of keeping the narrative focused on where it started, and the incredible adventure between a Mandalorian and a force-sensitive baby in an era where the galaxy looks down upon both of them. I want to give Boba his due and complete his arc in a satisfying way, I want to let Bo-Katan get her spotlight (and I am really enhancing this!), and I want to let our main characters stay as our main characters. It’s simply too jarring for me to rip out my two primary protagonists in my final film. I just don’t think that’s quality storytelling, which has been my goal since Day 1.

I’m still very, very eager to see you succeed here. I think you’ve got what it takes (strategically and technically) to pull off your ambitious fixing.

I can already tell the hardest part is going to be figuring out what to cut… Realistically, I have ~3.5 hours of usable footage to sift through, and I need to cut out 30-45 minutes to make a good movie. It’s making me sweat!

TheDimitrios said:

I kinda came around on the idea of a Pershing Minisode. If it comes without the Way of Mandalore branding.

I’m okay with this idea in general, but I just don’t know what exactly I can improve upon to make this a worthwhile effort. I’ve edited various scenes in some ways, but outside of integrating it into my main TWoM movies, there is just not a ton that I can do creatively here. What would you say needs fixed in the original release in order to make it into an interesting disconnected short story?

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It’s honestly not so much about what can be fixed and more that it feels disconnected as part of the Mando/Mandalore Story.

That disconnect would not feel like one if it was It’s own little thing.

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Acbagel said:

I can already tell the hardest part is going to be figuring out what to cut… Realistically, I have ~3.5 hours of usable footage to sift through, and I need to cut out 30-45 minutes to make a good movie. It’s making me sweat!

To me this sounds perfect. If the content can sustain it, a 2 hour and 45 minute epic film would be an awesome finisher. In truth, across Mando and Boba we have 3.5 to 4 seasons of content. Cutting that into 6 movies sounds great. Cutting into 7 or 8, I am starting to wonder why Im watching it instead of just the show.

I would watch it anyway because of your great structuring, I just think it has the potential to be so much stronger pared down into a big event film. 6 is perfect to me.

Of course I totally respect Eddie’s opinion on it. Just comes down to different tastes and priorities between editors. In another topic I am cutting down 12 episodes of Andor into one 2 hour-15 minute movie… so you can see where my priorities lie as far as pacing and structure. I always opt for pacing and meaty content, over depthful content that is potentially boring. For Star Wars, which is a punchy sort of pulp “comic book” feeling franchise, I think that is the better approach. But that’s just me!

Edit: Also I do have a question, bagel. I haven’t watched Ahsoka yet. But I am wondering your opinion. I commented before on stretching out that time of reuniting Grogu and Din as much as possible. How do you think it would work/feel to watch Ahsoka (lets say a movie cut of Ahsoka), after either your movie 4 of this series, then jumping back into your final 2 movies after that (or after movie 5)? I am just wondering if that might help the separation even better, add another movie of content (with a character reintroduced in your movie 4) to add even more spacing between Din and Grogu’s reunion.

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Ahsoka, while it’s clearly part of that world and time period, absolutely stands alone for now. It’s set after Ahsoka’s appearance in Mando and the Dark Council meeting where they reference Thrawn, and there are light references to the New Republic and Mon Mothma, but it’s got no natural overlap with any of the focal storylines of Mando.

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TheDimitrios said:

It’s honestly not so much about what can be fixed and more that it feels disconnected as part of the Mando/Mandalore Story.

That disconnect would not feel like one if it was It’s own little thing.

Understood, and that’s something I am aiming to solve by placing it in Book 6. It will feel disconnected no matter what unless it leads directly to Gideon’s return in a sensible manner.

Patali said:
To me this sounds perfect. If the content can sustain it, a 2 hour and 45 minute epic film would be an awesome finisher. In truth, across Mando and Boba we have 3.5 to 4 seasons of content. Cutting that into 6 movies sounds great. Cutting into 7 or 8, I am starting to wonder why Im watching it instead of just the show.

I would watch it anyway because of your great structuring, I just think it has the potential to be so much stronger pared down into a big event film. 6 is perfect to me.

I think so too, that’s the plan! I’d love to get Book 5 updated out ASAP, but I am still working through some conversations in Book 6 that are altering some dialogue/scenes in Book 5 so I have to work ahead before I can finalize the events leading up to it.

Edit: Also I do have a question, bagel. I haven’t watched Ahsoka yet. But I am wondering your opinion. I commented before on stretching out that time of reuniting Grogu and Din as much as possible. How do you think it would work/feel to watch Ahsoka (lets say a movie cut of Ahsoka), after either your movie 4 of this series, then jumping back into your final 2 movies after that (or after movie 5)? I am just wondering if that might help the separation even better, add another movie of content (with a character reintroduced in your movie 4) to add even more spacing between Din and Grogu’s reunion.

That’s a good question, here’s how I understand the timeline to work… The showrunners vaguely wanted the timeline to occur over the course of the “real life” production timeline, ie Season 2 occurs ~1 year after Season 1. As I’ve merged a couple of shows together since their events overlap, certain scenes in TWoM are not directly chronological and some are. For example, Book 1 is a very chronological story that all takes place within the span of a few weeks. However, in Book 2, while Boba Fett seems to be escaping the Sarlacc and training with the Tuskens concurrently with Din’s travels to Sorgan with Grogu, that’s not the case chronologically. As “The Mandalorian” show itself takes place much later than when Boba escapes the Sarlacc in 4 ABY, some of Boba’s past events are simply shown next to Din’s scenes to symbolize the journey that he and Din went on individually before crossing paths chronologically. This type of thematic storytelling occurs again with Grogu’s training with Luke, so while we will see them training in Book 6, these are simply non-chronologically placed scenes that showcase a few instances of lessons Grogu had with Luke during the ~1.5 years he was on Ossus. So let’s glance at the overall structure and get Ahsoka into the mix, assuming we start TWoM on Year 1 Day 1:

  • Book 1 - Year 1-1.1 (Din’s hunt for and subsequent rescue of Grogu occurs over the span of a few weeks)

  • Book 2 - Year 1.1-1.25 (While Din and Grogu’s travels take place over the course of a few weeks/months, Boba’s early Tusken scenes take place years before meeting Din & Fennec on Tatooine which happens in the “present”)

  • Book 3 - Year 2.1-2.25 (Din’s journey to find Grogu a Jedi takes 8-10 months of wandering the galaxy together, and we pick up on the tale end of that to see snippets of their adventure in this film)

  • Book 4 - Year 2.25-2.5 (Din meets Ahsoka, and the mission with Grogu concludes chronologically over a few weeks/months)

  • Ahsoka “Movie 1” - Year 3.5-3.75 (The Ahsoka show is supposed to run concurrently with general events in Mando S3)

  • Book 5 - Year 3.25-3.75 (Din has been traveling solo for a long time when we see him on this random bounty contract through Mines/Nevarro, Grogu is with Luke but we don’t see it yet)

  • Ahsoka “Movie 2” - Year 3.75-4.5 (The finale of Ahsoka is technically supposed to occur after the finale of Mando S3, but overall events of the shows overlap)

  • Book 6 - Year 4-4.25 (Din and Bo-Katan reunite the clans, we see non-chronological snippets of Grogu’s training that occurred over the past 1.5 years, Mandalore is reclaimed)

So while you won’t get a perfectly “chronological” experience no matter what you do as the shows weren’t filmed in such a way (I also haven’t done a deep dive into the Ahsoka series yet to fully analyze the events/timeline) this is roughly when the events would occur. The Mandalorian story is intended to occur over ~3 years, and the Ahsoka story runs concurrently with the last year of that story and concludes after the end of TWoM. So perhaps, yes, watching parts of the Ahsoka show between Books 4-6/Mando Season 3 could help us mentally make the timeline gap “feel” longer, since I do not think the shows themselves did a good job of communicating the passage of time to the audience.

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Ahsoka, while it’s clearly part of that world and time period, absolutely stands alone for now. It’s set after Ahsoka’s appearance in Mando and the Dark Council meeting where they reference Thrawn, and there are light references to the New Republic and Mon Mothma, but it’s got no natural overlap with any of the focal storylines of Mando.

Right, it certainly doesn’t belong in “The Way of Mandalore” saga in any official capacity, but it works well enough with what I described above to add to a watchthrough of this era of Star Wars. I hope to have an Ahsoka edit out one day, but it isn’t a priority and will probably come after Season 2/the next New Republic-Mando movie.

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any chance at least the dark/night scenes of book 1 and 2 can be updated quality wise? The stuff in daylight is totally looking OK.

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TheDimitrios said:

any chance at least the dark/night scenes of book 1 and 2 can be updated quality wise? The stuff in daylight is totally looking OK.

It has tempted me a few times to replace some of the source footage in the worst-looking scenes, Book 2 night Tatooine comes to mind… But it would take very long as I would need to remake every single cut from scratch and I haven’t had the passion to do that yet. I’ve commented on some of the quality faults on the early Books a few times on this thread already, but I’d like to continue working on the ongoing story for now.

Speaking of… Few more scene demos to share!

First, here is another chunk of the scene with Din and the Armorer that I shared last time. Again, not final, I am sharing after just a first pass on production, not after spending a ton of time audio mixing yet. Since we’ve been talking about Boba’s storyline placement, I wanted to share how we are going to end up on Tatooine in Book 6… Din gets a mission

Next, I wanted to share more of this scene because I’ve got a great conversation made where Din talks to the Ugnaughts about the Resol’nare… But I’m still busy trying to fix some Disney production errors here. Just look at how obvious of a flub this is. They’re using two different takes, or cut part of the scene and covered it up with a Din dub (kind of like I’m doing… 0_0) but the Ugnaught’s hand placements are all wrong and out of whack! I’m trying to fix it by altering shots and angles, but just wanted to share because yes, sometimes the errors come from fan editors, but most of the time we’re working with stuff like this that looks like WE made a bad cut but it’s just baked into the original source material and we’re doing what we can to actually fix it. Major props to all the overworked editors in the real film industry though, it’s brutal out there… Not always their fault. Investor timeline problems. Editing error example

And finally, at the risk of sharing one that’s not even ready to be shared as a demo in terms of overall quality yet… it’s got some cool ideas that I want to show. I absolutely despise the original English voice lines dubbed over the aliens in this scene (as well as the content of the original scene itself) so I’ve taken the liberty to completely alter everything about this. I’ve used voice lines ripped from The Old Republic video game for the aliens and restructured this whole storyline to keep Boba involved. The gist of it is, he defeats the Pykes, but the Hutts start pushing into his territory. Meanwhile, Boba is staying busy hiring the Mandalorian clans to take bounty contracts, so the Night Owl clan is working a job for Boba as Din and Bo-Katan are stuck on Plazir-15 dealing with the imperial plotline. I love the transition from the Quarren vessel to Boba’s palace as well, so I wanted to share some of these ideas. Boba-Plazir tie-in

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Very cool ideas and execution. I was disappointed in season 3, like many, and I’m very excited to see your take on the content.

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Community Request!

Just want to try something together here, so as I have a very solid Armorer AI model, I’ve been looking into altering her explanation of why Bo-Katan is suddenly allowed to remove her helmet. I found the original D+ reasoning to be quite unsatisfactory and left me feeling confused about the Armorer’s intentions, leading many viewers to think she was an Imperial spy/traitor. All that fizzled out though and it just happened to be poor writing. I want to change that!

Does anyone want to take a crack at rewriting the dialogue in that scene on Nevarro in the forge where Bo-Katan speaks with the Armorer? This originally occurs in S03E05 ~31-34 minutes. Bo-Katan really doesn’t get a chance for many lines here, so we have to work around her reactions and dialogue, but we have a great opportunity to rewrite the Armorer’s reasoning. If any of you are writers and want to try your hand here, I’d love to see it. If you aren’t comfortable writing a full word-for-word script, then feel free just to leave your overall thoughts on some improved reasoning.

This scene takes place at the end of my upcoming Book 5 edit, and I want it to really tie into Book 6 as well so we want to have a sensible plot thread going on. Feel free to ask questions about the upcoming story if it would help too. I have a drafted scene written already, but I want to compare it with some of what you all might have in your heads. Feel free to post here or DM me your scripts!

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What if some mysticism gets introduced?

The armorer claims to be able to see it in one’s eyes if a person has actually encountered a Mythosaur. So she invites Bo Katan to take off her Helmet, but warns her that she will be killed if she has lied about the Mythosaur thing.

“The true leader of Mandalore will forge a an alliance of all our people… chosen by the mighty Mythosaur itself”

“Encountering the Mythosaur leaves a mark. You can see it in the eyes of a Mandalorian. So if you want to proof your claim, remove your helmet. Should you have Lied, death will be your reward, as is our custom”

I think this would be nicely fitting with Bo Katans attitude when removing her Helmet.

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So then she gets to keep it off so that everyone can see the anointing in her eyes?

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So then she gets to keep it off so that everyone can see the anointing in her eyes?

The armorer at some point later says something about Bo Katan walking in both worlds. I think thats pretty compatible with this idea.

What I specifically like about this approach is that taking off the helmet DOES have a risk of death attached. Which kinda feels fitting for the CotW. An exception from the helmet rule should have a risk attached.

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I think there’s an opportunity here to explain, and get value from, the disconnect between the Clone Wars era Mandalorians who resided in peace on Mandalore, and the Watch / Death Watch tradition which effectively survived through staying in hiding. There’s also the long history of Mandalorians to enjoy here.

Something covering the following points:

  • The Mandalorians began as warring tribes, forged mighty armour, and mastered great beasts like the mythosaur.
  • For centuries they warred across the galaxy.
  • Mandalore became their home, gave them peace and legitimacy - and brought a time when they walked free of armour. Mandalore sustained their race and their people, and became their holy home world.
  • After the night of a thousand tears and the loss of Mandalore, the surviving Mandalorians turned back to the old ways, with armour and helmets a holy symbol of unity and hope.
  • Now, they have that unity and hope again, and the removal of their helmets represents the opportunity of their old warlike tradition and the legitimacy and hope to walk free on Mandalore to coexist.

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The CotW must have been created at the tail end of the Clone Wars though.

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Thanks for the discussion and ideas! I made a quick first draft of some dialogue based on the ideas above. Try not to get distracted by the lack of audio mixing/soundtrack and background noise balancing/couple wonky ai generations, I don’t want to spend hours on all that only to need to change a bunch of it anyway, so focus solely on the writing of the lines themselves.

Does the writing itself hold up here and provide a sensible reason for why Bo-Katan is chosen to “wall both worlds”?

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That was quick.

The dialogue still needs some tweaking, but overall I,think it works!

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Look in my eyes, what do you see? A cult of…

Sorry, I actually like this idea a lot and adds more weight to her taking the mythosaur pauldron as well. I too was not happy with the writing in season three with it feeling like the armorer (possible turncoat) was setting Bo up for failure, only to never pay off on that. I do question how the armorer knows for sure if Bo saw the mythical creature or not by just looking into her eyes though. Overall though, I cannot wait to see what everything looks like polished. You are doing a great job; keep up the amazing work!

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TheDimitrios said:

That was quick.

The dialogue still needs some tweaking, but overall I,think it works!

Yeah, I think as a proof of concept it has a lot of potential to fix the problems I had with this scene. I’ll just have to spend no less than 15 hours audio-mixing everything once I lock in the dialogue… But it could be worth it. Here’s the full written script if anyone wants to make edits to it:

"BK: You wished to see me?

A: This place was once the heart of our strength. Now it serves as a reminder of our vulnerability… You once sought to reclaim Mandalore from the clutches of our enemies.

BK: That dream has never died.

A: Our history is a tapestry of triumph and tragedy woven by the hands of leaders who understood the way. It is said that a true leader can endure the Gaze of a Mythosaur and emerge unscathed, their eyes reflecting the beast’s Spirit. You claim to have seen a Mythosaur. A claim as bold as it is rare… Prove it. Remove your helmet.

BK: But…?

A: If your eyes hold the truth then you shall lead us, but deceit will make this Fallen Forge your tomb. To claim such an encounter is to assert a connection to the very soul of Mandalore. It is to claim a right to leadership, to the guiding of our scattered people back to unity.

BK: This is the Way.

A: The punishment for deceit is not simply death, it is Scorn. The erasure of your name from our history and the declaration of your lineage as traitors to Mandalore.

BK: I understand.

A: Then look into my eyes and let me see the depth of your claim. Reveal Your Spirit to me here and now and face your destiny… Don’t show me your eyes, show me her spirit… You stand on a precipice, Bo-Katan. Show me now or everything you have ever bled for will be forgotten.

[Music, scene change]

A: Brothers and sisters! Mando’ade! Gather around, anade. Bo-Katan Kryze is going off to bring other Mandalorians in exile to us so that we may be one people again.

PV: But she shows her face…

A: The Mythosaur has fixed her gaze upon Bo-Katan. She has been chosen to walk both worlds. (The Spirit of the Mythosaur IS her helmet now.) (The burden of this responsibility has been placed on Bo-Katan’s back.) To liberate our people from the past… And to restore our future… So that our children will know the glory of the Way. (We shall return to Mandalore as one people!) We are going home.


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Look in my eyes, what do you see? A cult of…

Damnit… I knew I forgot something, I didn’t include the guitar riff in the background.

Sorry, I actually like this idea a lot and adds more weight to her taking the mythosaur pauldron as well. I too was not happy with the writing in season three with it feeling like the armorer (possible turncoat) was setting Bo up for failure, only to never pay off on that. I do question how the armorer knows for sure if Bo saw the mythical creature or not by just looking into her eyes though. Overall though, I cannot wait to see what everything looks like polished. You are doing a great job; keep up the amazing work!

Great, thanks for your thoughts. I think it’s been shown that the Armorer has steeped herself in Mandalorian history to the point of being somewhat of an Oracle of the clan. They follow her every word as she keeps the Way perfectly, and mysticism has always existed with the people of Mandalore and their dedication to their homeworld. The Mythosaur itself is a being that is seemingly attuned to the ebb and flow of life/the force. It is a plausible idea that it can “imprint” upon someone in a way that such an Oracle could “see”. Or maybe it is all total bullshit and the Mandalorian clan is indeed just a cult, but that’s the fun of it all. That’s how most of the galaxy perceives Mandalorians in the first place.

I’ll keep working on other parts of the films while we sort through some edits here, but I think this is a worthwhile task overall.

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