Miscellaneous
This section features some relevant information that doesn’t really fit in with the other categories in the thread. Or includes some info having a loose connection or relevance to the topic of the pre-PT era, or even just some interesting titbits of material found when searching for pre-PT era content.
An Index for Miscellaneous:
- ‘Star Wars novelization’ (1976) - Prologue written by George Lucas
- ‘Splinter Of The Mind’s Eye’ book (1994 re-issue) - Introduction written by George Lucas
- ‘Shatterpoint’ book (2004) - Prologue: ‘The Clone Wars’ written by George Lucas
- Some hopefully useful ‘Info Posts’ on various aspects of Canon; Legends and EU
- ‘Before the Dark Times, Before the Empire: How AOTC Changed Star Wars Before Disney Owned the Canon’ article
- The ‘Deckplans Alliance’ website: a well researched and useful resource
- Star Wars told through
the droids’ POVChewbacca’s point of view - Kenobi giving Luke some very 1990’s secret codes
- Anja Gallandro; the first character to train as a Jedi - despite not being force sensitive?
- The fan theory that Obi Wan was a clone: OB-1 = ‘Original Body 1’
- Become a StarWarrior - ‘the successors to the Jedi Knights’
- George Lucas’ conflicting claims on why he made the Prequel Trilogy
- The 501st Journal (a once canon story on all clone soldiers plotting against the Jedi before Order 66)
‘Just some light hearted fun’; a completely unconnected category of content found whilst searching for pre-PT era content, below:
- Luke’s mother
- Shrinking Star Wars
- Master Bayts
- When Palpatine revealed on screen what his true first name was…
- Death in the Prequel Trilogy
- Luke learns he has a brother
1. ‘Star Wars novelization’ (1976) - Prologue written by George Lucas:
wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_A_New_Hope_(novelization)
2. From the 1994 re-issue of ‘Splinter Of The Mind’s Eye’ - Introduction by George Lucas:
Splinter Of The Mind’s Eye - written as a low-budget sequel for if the 1977 Star Wars film flopped - was originally published in 1978.
wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Splinter_of_the_Mind’s_Eye
3. ‘Shatterpoint’ book (2004) - Prologue: ‘The Clone Wars’, written by George Lucas:
‘Shatterpoint is a novel written by Matthew Stover. The first novel in the Clone Wars novel series and the first released in the Clone Wars multimedia project (2002-2007), it was originally published as a hardcover by Del Rey in June 2003. The paperback edition was published in April 2004, with a prologue by George Lucas and the short story ‘Equipment’, also written by Stover.’
^ wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Shatterpoint_(novel)
4. Some useful ‘Info Posts’ on various aspects of Canon; Legends and EU - in Star Wars:
• George Lucas and the EU: evidence highlighting GL’s contributions to several EU projects - by xezene, on r/StarWarsEU
^ A collection of infographs and posts - with quotes and citations - chronicling George Lucas’ involvement in the Expanded Universe. As well as featuring an impressive array of intriguing and insightful information on the EU in general - by the actual creative talents.
• Lucasfilm’s claims on canon debunked - The 2008 Clone Wars messes up continuity or how Lucas is still destroying Star Wars
^ An info post chronicling George Lucas’ involvement & contributions with several EU projects (some considered part of his main saga story). This, despite Lucasfilm’s recent baffling attempts trying to downplay or even deny George’s input and contributions in the EU.
• Retcons to EU; Legends & Canon - The 2008 Clone Wars messes up continuity or how Lucas is still destroying Star Wars
^ Some retcons and alterations in 2008’s The Clone Wars - compared to previously established EU content and onscreen Star Wars history. It also contains links to articles on retcons & alterations made by Dave Filoni projects to other creatives’ work in the GFFA; the EU, Legends, Canon, Prequel Trilogy, 2003 Clone Wars, Rebels, Bad Batch, Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, Tales of the Jedi, & Ahsoka.
5. ‘Before the Dark Times, Before the Empire: How Attack Of The Clones Changed Star Wars Before Disney Owned the Canon’
An insightful and informative overview of how ‘Episode II: Attack Of The Clones’ brought many new changes to the GFFA…
^ a 2022 article by Kevin Fox Jr., at Paste Magazine (www.pastemagazine.com). An archived back up of the article.
6. ‘Deckplans Alliance’ website: an OT vs PT (and EU vs PT) resource:
Deskplans Alliance website link: http://deckplans.00sf.com/Research/Prequel.html#Top
A screenshot:
Introduction
Episode I
Episode II
Episode III
Expanded Universe
Additional Notes
Sources
About Us
An archived backup of the website: https://archive.is/wA3OG
^ The above useful and comprehensively sourced web site was designed for Gamesmasters of the Star Wars Roleplaying Games, notably the West End Games editions. To aid them in highlighting the dissonance and inconsistencies between the Original Trilogy and the Prequel Trilogy, as well as the EU and the Prequel Trilogy. With Gamesmasters having the difficult role of maintaining continuity and history in their gaming campaigns, dating all the way back to the late 1990’s, although it may appeal to some on here too.
all credit and many thanks to Gandalf the Cyan for posting about the Deskplans Alliance website resource.
7. Star Wars told through the droids’ POV Chewbacca’s point of view:
Charles Lippincott’s superb blog features a taped conversation between George Lucas, Charles Lippincott, and Alan Dean Foster, on 27th July 1976.
In it Lucas ponders Star Wars not being told through R2D2 and C3PO’s point of view, but from Chewbacca’s POV, to his family:-
Which as Lippincott states in the link below:-
Remind you of anything? The STAR WARS HOLIDAY SPECIAL, which, when I asked folks what they wanted me to write about, came up as the most favored topic… There are a lot of underground rivers which lead to the STAR WARS HOLIDAY SPECIAL. As you can see from this quote, it was an idea George had since 1976.
^ from http://therealcharleslippincott.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-alan-dean-foster-interviews.html
8. Obi Wan Kenobi giving Luke some very 1990’s secret codes:
In the first Jedi Prince series of books, “The Lost City of The Jedi” (released in 1992); Ben Kenobi appears to Luke in a dream and gives him the code JE-99-DI-88-FOR-00-CE."
^ a screenshot from https://readstarwars.wordpress.com/2019/01/28/review-jedi-prince-the-lost-city-of-the-jedi-1992
wookieepedia page for the TLCoTJ book: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Lost_City_of_the_Jedi
It is probably the most 1990s thing in Star Wars! I typed this code in on a lot of Star Wars games at the time… hoping it would be useful (it wasn’t!). The Jedi really did need some better security codes 😃
9. Anja Gallandro, the first character to train as a Jedi, despite not being force sensitive?:
Anja Gallandro, despite not being Force-sensitive, wielded an ancient yellow lightsaber and studied to be a Jedi at Luke Skywalker’s Jedi academy on Yavin 4. Similar to how Sabine was shown to be trained as a Jedi, despite not being force sensitive, in the 2023 live-action Ahsoka series.
Edit: ^ It turned out that Sabine was force sensitive later on in the Ahsoka series. A pity, that. The concept of a non-force sensitive character training as a Jedi seemed to be an intriguing one.
wookieepedia page for Anja Gallandro: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Anja_Gallandro
wookieepedia page for her 1st appearance: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Young_Jedi_Knights:_Return_to_Ord_Mantell
10. The very old fan theory that Obi Wan was a clone: OB-1 = ‘Original Body 1’
I saw this in another thread, but thought it could appeal to many in here:
Literally any fan speculation about the Clone Wars is likely to be cooler than what Lucas actually came up with in 2002.
Like everyone else, I imagined some awesome galactic conflict with massive clone armies controlled by distant alien factions trying to overthrow the Republic, along with clone-based subterfuge and political intrigue (cloning of Senators or Jedi - with some darker elements like cloned Jedi going insane).
I did not imagine that the clones were boring CGI Stormtroopers created under bullshit circumstances for the Republic to use at the last minute to fight some equally boring CGI robots as part of an under-explained civil war, and that every single clone was actually Boba Fett’s dad.
Anyway, pre-Prequel ideas about the Clone Wars always fascinated me because while many of these ideas are traceable to pre-1999 EU publications, some of these ideas are actually examples of pre-Internet “memes”. These were orally-communicated “memes” whose origin is forever lost to time, yet are somehow consistently known by many people of a certain age group across multiple regions/countries. These memes were spread on playgrounds, fan gatherings, and mail-based fan publications, in a way similar to how stories and myths were spread in pre-literate cultures. Similar to childhood songs that somehow every kid of a certain age knew (“Jingle Bells, Batman Smells”), the idea that Obi Wan Kenobi was actually OB-1 the clone is a pre-Internet meme that was remarkably wide-spread before the Internet, and remains well known to this day. Every Star Wars fan in the 80s and 90s somehow “knew a guy” that told them about this theory. (Of course it turned out to be false, and I’m glad, because it’s stupid.)
Below are some articles on this fan theory from at that time, something I always found kinda interesting: the fan theory from before the Prequels, and the web, that Obi Wan was a clone:OB-1 = ‘Original Body 1’
• Obi-Wan Kenobi is a Clone - at The Movie Blog
• Obi-Wan Kenobi is Actually OB1 Kenobi - at CBR
• Excuse me Mr. Kenobi, but was that Obi-Wan or OB1? - at Trailer Addict
• Star Wars’ Weirdest Fan Theory Concerned… Obi-Wan’s Name? - at CBR
• Star Wars Fan Theories Explained: Obi-Wan & Anakin Are Really Clones 0B-1 & NKN - at Looper
• Where did the ideas of Obi-Wan being a clone named OB-1 originate from? - reddit/RewritingThePrequels
11. Become a StarWarrior - ‘the successors to the Jedi Knights’:
A screenshot of a StarWarrior charter member / fan type section ($10 per year) of the 1977 Official Star Wars Poster Monthly:
wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Official_Poster_Monthly
12. George Lucas’ conflicting claims on why he made the Prequel Trilogy
As an aside… George Lucas claiming the 6 Star Wars films “form the biography of Vader”… (aka GL’s oft-claimed post-PT ‘Star Wars has always been the tragedy of Darth Vader’) - but that he wasn’t aware of this “until 1998”…
A screenshot of a 2005 Vanity Fair article (February issue) promoting Revenge Of The Sith:-
…and yet in 2019 George claimed the reason why he made the Prequel Trilogy films was because the fans didn’t understand in the 10 years after Return Of The Jedi… that the backstory to the Original Trilogy was really “about the tragedy of Darth Vader”… something he himself stated he himself hadn’t realised “until 1998”… after he had already wrote and filmed TPM!
Sure George, sure…
A screenshot of the 2024 George Lucas made Star Wars prequels because fans “didn’t get” story - article at The Digital Bits:-
^ The 2019 SW•com article referenced above: www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-i-the-phantom-menace-oral-history
13. The 501st Journal
a once canon story on all the clone soldiers plotting against the Jedi before Order 66
Inhibitor chips? We didn’t need no stinkin’ inhibitor chips!
From a time when the Clones were growing increasingly disenchanted with the Jedi for some time before Order 66, had already started working in secret behind the Jedis’ backs; even undergoing secret side missions on behalf of Chancellor Palpatine.
This was obviously before the clones’ story was later retconned in 2008’s The Clone Wars film and TV series to include the inhibitor chips. A decision to retcon the clones and perhaps portray them as unwitting victims, to humanize and personalize them for the 2008 film and series, as opposed to the above original storyline and lore, maybe?
The 501st Journals highlighted some of these clone actions against the Jedi, in the then canon 2005 Battlefront II video game:
'The 501st Journal was a compiled record of journal entries written by one or more retired members of the 501st Legion.
The entries summarized their most famous battles, captured the feelings of individual troopers, and traced the 501st from its origins in the Clone Wars to its development as “Vader’s Fist” during the Galactic Civil War.
The journal was kept as secret as the missions undertaken by the 501st; only after the fall of the Galactic Empire were the journals recovered.’
and
‘Temuera Morrison provides the voice for the narrator of every journal entry. In the game’s credits, the character is identified simply as “Retired clone trooper,” implying that he survived all of the battles above mentioned.’
^ from https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/501st_Journal & https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Battlefront_II
The 501’st Journal:
Star Wars Battlefront II (Classic) - 501st Journal (Full) HD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWOq1Tg-Jdw - 18 minute video at the StereoLyrics Tracks YouTube channel.
This is the journal compiled together by a clone trooper from the 501st Legion in the game Star Wars Battlefront II.
The 501st Journals Told A Very Different Story About Order 66
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZOH-Bw7nAg - 17 minute video at the Generation Tech YouTube channel.
Am I the only one that has a fundamental issue with Clones’ Inhibitor Chips? - 2023 thread by Kyp_Astaar talks more about this.
Republic Commando | Lucasfilm’s 2004-2009 EU multimedia project | lore retcon #2,378 - 2024 thread by me.
Just for some light hearted fun:
1. Luke’s mother:
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2. The shrinking universe of Star Wars:
3. Master Bayts: in the 2000 comic issue ‘Jedi Council - Acts of War 2’:
^ Master Bayts [cough - wink - cough] (Soon Bayts) wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Soon_Bayts
‘Jedi Council: Acts of War 2’ wookieepedia page: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jedi_Council:_Acts_of_War_2
4. When Palpatine revealed on screen what his true first name was:
^ When Palpatine revealed on screen what his true first name was: www.youtube.com/watch?v=QheFNbgnMgQ
5. Death in the Prequel Trilogy:
6 . Luke learns he has a brother:
A Thread Index:
• Introduction
• A quick note on ‘Canon’ (yep, I know…)
• Timelines: Story Events and Alterations
• Settings, Planets and Systems | Organisations and Governments
• The Jedi (as an Order Of Knights; their Way Of Life, the Force, Robes, Lightsabers etc)
• Characters and Biographies | Protagonists and Allies (including changes of persona or origin story)
• Characters and Biographies | Antagonists, Adversaries and their Allies (including changes of persona or origin story)
• Miscellaneous
• Blank Post (a spare post for possible future use; if ever required)
• A list of ‘Suggestions, Claims, Memories, and Posts’ on more pre-PT era material: to be checked and confirmed
• Index of Relevant OriginalTrilogy.com Threads
• Credits