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I don't hate him. I think he is very talented, and has done good things. I admire his work and I am sure he is a good and kind person. I dislike what he has produced after 1997.
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I agree. He's altered the movies in ways I don't appreciate, but that doesn't make me hate him. Frankly, I have no idea what the person George Lucas is like and therefor have no basis to like or dislike the man.
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I love George Lucas. I want to have his babies, but I have a penis - and no ovaries. Yet. No, seriously - I'm getting ovaries for Christmas.
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Cool. Lucas will appreciate your revisions to your sexuality.
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In truth, I probably only knew of George Lucas by the time the '97 SEs came out. But I LOVED Star Wars before that. Hell, I even thought the SEs were awesome at the time, but then I was too young to understand how they screwed up the originals.

I have come to greatly dislike him, probably since Attack of the Clones came out. It was at that point that I no longer regarded him as a genius. Sometimes I hate him, just depends.
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I could never hate the man that gave my life a purpose. Plus If he released the OT on DVD I would not have a hobby of watching fan created OTs
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Hate is a strong word. I don't hate him. I do hate what he's done to the SW franchise though. I was 7 when the first SW came out in '77 and have been a huge fan ever since! I have a 15'x10' storage unit completely filled mostly of SW collectibles that I've collected over the years. When it was finally announced that the new SW films were finally being made after all these years I was ecstatic. I never expected the original trilogy to be surpassed, but I do think the Prequels could've been much better! In my opinion they were very disappointing (with HORRIBLE writing, dialog, and even worse acting!). I walked away from Phantom Menace bored and utterly dissatisfied. Ep II was an improvement, but still had bad dialog and bad acting. Ep III was an improvement over the previous two films, but still disappointing! Yes, the effects are nice (for the most part), but that alone doesn't make a movie! If George had used someone to re-write the dialog and allowed someone else to do the casting we could've had a much better and satisfying Prequel Trilogy. I'm sure that are many that will argue with me and think I'm an idiot for writing this, but it's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

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RickWJ324, I have to agree with you completely.

I grew up with the original Star Wars trilogy, and though my views may have been jaded by my youth, I still feel a magical, more mature version of that same feeling when I watch the OT now. The prequels lack that emotion, the drive that gave much of my younger years purpose. Though it may seem sad or almost pathetic, Star Wars helped shape my life. When I see the OT, I still feel that. When I see the prequels, I merely feel...

...empty.
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I would give my complete opinion, but it seems that the policy here is, to play on a famous phrase: "You can have any opinion you want, as long as it is the same as mine."

So, will I be allowed to give my full opinion on Lucas, the prequels, the SE, and the O-OT, without anyone getting upset or angry? I would like to just to get it off of my chest, by my opinion seems extremely unfavorable.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I would give my complete opinion, but it seems that the policy here is, to play on a famous phrase: "You can have any opinion you want, as long as it is the same as mine."

Nope. I see lots of differing opinions here about various versions of SW, both OT and PT, and what people like/dislike about changes, etc. It's what makes it an interesting and fun place.

So, will I be allowed to give my full opinion on Lucas, the prequels, the SE, and the O-OT, without anyone getting upset or angry? I would like to just to get it off of my chest, by my opinion seems extremely unfavorable.


I think people already know what you think. You say the same thing every time without much discussion or elaboration-- "I don't care about the OOT, I love all the changes, the EU is canon even though it's not, blah blah blah", bating people and being a smartarse. And you know exactly why anyone has a problem with you, and why you were banned. Don't worry, it's not your opinion that's unfavorable. It's just you.

You can read more about it on my Wikipedia reviews.
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Don't hate the playa, hate the game!

But seriously, I don't hate GL. I might disagree with what he did to the movies I love, and I might fume over the marketing of SW, but I don't hate the man.
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I am extremely Irate at what he has done to my favorite films.

Do I hate him?, no.

My reasons are because I respect the great filmaker/storyteller/artist he once was.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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when will adamwankenobi give us his full essay on what he really thinks about lucas?
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No I dont hate him, i like him, and respect his talent though I feel it has diminished, but i wont ever kiss his ass because I am cheesed off and frustrated with descsions he has made regarding the Star Wars films and the overall franchise.
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No, I don't hate him, because when he is just talking in interviews, he really is a humble guy. The problem is he became so arrogant and obsessed with making every decision on Star Wars, more so in the prequels, that he really hurt the series.

The SE, I could understand he wanted to update effects, and actually don't have a problem with it, it is just the changes to the story that bother me. He gave in on Han Shooting first, he put Hayden in at the end of ROTJ, and the Jedi Rocks song in the jabba palace is so bad, I feel like they have a tv in there and MTV is on!

The prequels, and I guess starting with Jedi, he started inching toward the kiddies, and the movies sufferered. ROTJ is still great, cause the space battle is the best ever in the history of movies, and they got right the one thing that needed to be right: Vader/Emperor/Luke scene. That scene is so well done with real tension and drama, and great music, it makes up for the flaws of the Ewoks and the slower Jabba scene at the beginning.

TPM, was written too much for kids. Jar Jar, is so bad, if there weren't a bunch of yes men, as shown in the documentary on the DVD, someone would have edited him to a bare minimum in the movie. To this day, he ruins EVERY scene he is in. The ending has no tension, no drama. And the four main characters you follow through Tattoine: QuiGon, Padme, Jar Jar, and R2-D2 with the secondary characters being Obi Wan and little Anakin give me no attachment like Han, Luke, Leia, and Chewbacca, those characters were pure gold.

Then Lucas said, while filming TPM, I will direct this one, and have someone else direct Episode II & III, and what happened Lucas the authoritarian directed all 3! He was like Anakin, he wanted more power! AOTC, though I feel and many do not, is a step better than TPM. Jar Jar has about 5 minutes, it is alittle more adult, but the love story is just plain BAD. Hayden was a bad pick by Lucas, he is not a great actor, and it hurts the prequels because of it. Lucas just got a good looking guy, thinking this should be enough. But when the crucial scenes of real drama were needed, Hayden & Natalie having zero chemistry, and bad direction, dropped the ball.

ROTS, atleast for me personally, redeemed Star Wars. I really thought leading up it would be as good as the original and ESB, but after seeing it, I liked it, actually really liked it, but finally realized that I was living in fantasy land that Lucas would ever make a classic Star Wars film again. I mean, in my opinion, he hasn't made a classic Star Wars film since 1980, what will make him change now. The ending of ROTS had a enough tie-ins to the OT that it was satisfying for me, but just as a prologue to the OT, not a prequel. I am sorry, but I don't see it as the story of Anakin, the continuity between 1-3 & 4-6 just don't work.

To me, Star Wars is a prime example of how great a saga can be, and how it can be thrown away by its same success. That is the irony of Star Wars, Lucas went through alot of personal anguish to get the first made, and he had the fire and hunger to make it succeed, and it is one the of the greatest movies ever. ESB had to be great, cause he was financing it, and it would build his empire, Lucasfilm. He told Kersh before ESB, "This has to be better than Star Wars, cause if it isn't then we don't make any more movies." Then once he succeeded, the collaboration slowly diminished, they realized the merchandising was a money maker, and ESB being a very dark movie, and grossing half of the original, maybe a little lighting the mood in the next movie will bring a bigger base in, and ROTJ grossed the same as ESB.

The Prequels, did bring in new fans, but now we have fans looking at a great saga many different ways: Some see it as 1-6, some only see it as 4-6, some say you should only watch it 4-6,1-3, and some are in the middle like myself at 3-6. Some want the more changes to integrate the two sagas even more, more Emperor in ANH, etc. Some just want the original movies that first appeared in the movies in the late 70's/early 80's. Some hate Lucas, some gush over him like he is god, some thought he was god, and now resent everything he has done to the saga.

Do I hate him, NO, do I think he has screwed up the saga, YES. The one thing that really bothers me, is through all this saga talk, the one movie that can stand on its own, and is still my favorite movie, and one of the greatest of all-time, is the original, please George don't forget about that.
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I don't hate him. Hell, I don't even know him. I know some things about the guy, based off books I've read and such, but I don't know him at all. I've never met him. I'm certainly in no position to try and psychoanalyze the guy, much less ascribe personality traits like "arrogant" and "obsessive" to him simply because he's changed some things in some movies that I don't agree with.

he seems like a decent enough guy. Little shy, maybe. Weird sense of humor, it appears. I don't really know. Never met the man. I doubt anyone else here has, except for MagFan, maybe.

Why would you hate the guy? Why would hate even enter into the conversation? Why start a thread focused on whether or not there will be some hate involved? I don't get it.
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I've seen him put down and criticized so many times for making changes TO HIS OWN MOVIES. If he were doing those changes to someone elses, then I would feel the same way many do in having a low opinion of him. He himself even said that he supports an artists right to their properties, but doesn't feel one artist should change another's work. In my opinion, he is still that high school kid, excited to try out new things, as he has in the prequels. I hate it when people put down his use of CG, becuase he is the one who basically invented most special effects in the first place. He used them in the OT, but no one complained. No one said "Those special effects have gone to his head and he can't tell a story." For the PT, technology had merely improved, and he took advantage of this. The advance in technology allowed him to fully reallize the visions he had in his head of what he wanted to see for all of these years since 1973 when he wrote the overall story. He, as you know, had to make MANY compromises with the OT, and things didn't go how he would have liked. You've heard the quote where he says he was disappointed the first ten years after the OT was released, right? Well, everyone should be happy for him, that he was finally able to create the films he wanted with the prequels, and perfect the films he ,ade with the OT SE. Try not to let your personal preferences get in the way when thinking of Lucas. He may be this obsessive, perfectionist, greedy, crazy person you say, but.. then again, he might just be an artist perfecting his work, without listening to the comments of others. The studios told him in the 90's that the original fans would not like the PT, but, he told the story he wanted regardless. How many people do you know who would risk a reputation like that in order to tell a story? Not many. Most artists like Lucas are controlled by the studios, WHO ARE THE REAL MONEY HUNGRY PEOPLE. The studios have the sole goal of profits. Now, of course, that is one of his goals as well. But the studios look at the films as products, rather than stories. So they create them and cut them to appeal to people. Lucas, through his independent nature, was able to avoid that all of these years, and tell the stories exactly the way he wanted to. And I cannot hate him for that.
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I like George Lucas!
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I hate it when people put down his use of CG, becuase he is the one who basically invented most special effects in the first place. He used them in the OT, but no one complained. No one said "Those special effects have gone to his head and he can't tell a story."


Just a quick response, AWK, but in my opinion George invented a company where some highly talented individuals improved on the artistry which had come before (ie: Harryhausen). So, it's not quite right to say he invented special effects, although his influence on them is obvious.

Also, I seem to recall a couple of critics, notably Paulin Kael (correct my memory, please, if I'm wrong) whose review of 'Star Wars' saw through all of the smoke and mirrors and accused Lucas of being the very technological terror he was warning people against. Praise for the effects was definately not universal...
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
I like George Lucas!


Ah, that's what I get. Now you're giving my signiture responses!
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I've seen him put down and criticized so many times for making changes TO HIS OWN MOVIES. If he were doing those changes to someone elses, then I would feel the same way many do in having a low opinion of him. He himself even said that he supports an artists right to their properties, but doesn't feel one artist should change another's work. In my opinion, he is still that high school kid, excited to try out new things, as he has in the prequels. I hate it when people put down his use of CG, becuase he is the one who basically invented most special effects in the first place. He used them in the OT, but no one complained. No one said "Those special effects have gone to his head and he can't tell a story." For the PT, technology had merely improved, and he took advantage of this. The advance in technology allowed him to fully reallize the visions he had in his head of what he wanted to see for all of these years since 1973 when he wrote the overall story. He, as you know, had to make MANY compromises with the OT, and things didn't go how he would have liked. You've heard the quote where he says he was disappointed the first ten years after the OT was released, right? Well, everyone should be happy for him, that he was finally able to create the films he wanted with the prequels, and perfect the films he ,ade with the OT SE. Try not to let your personal preferences get in the way when thinking of Lucas. He may be this obsessive, perfectionist, greedy, crazy person you say, but.. then again, he might just be an artist perfecting his work, without listening to the comments of others. The studios told him in the 90's that the original fans would not like the PT, but, he told the story he wanted regardless. How many people do you know who would risk a reputation like that in order to tell a story? Not many. Most artists like Lucas are controlled by the studios, WHO ARE THE REAL MONEY HUNGRY PEOPLE. The studios have the sole goal of profits. Now, of course, that is one of his goals as well. But the studios look at the films as products, rather than stories. So they create them and cut them to appeal to people. Lucas, through his independent nature, was able to avoid that all of these years, and tell the stories exactly the way he wanted to. And I cannot hate him for that.



I dont hate him as said

People do critize him for making changes for which he has the right to make, but for these people have the problem of him not making rightly or wrongly the original version available on a decent format, this exsperates the problem, nobody begrudges him his vision if he was dissapointed with the effects, but changing the story crosses the line for some (Shaw Greedo etc) if it was effects they would not be so much of a problem. now to be fair to Lucas and Lucasfilm he lets people on here carry on with their O.T projects but millions who want the O.O.T dont know about this place and would as a thank you to loyal fans for 25 plus years release them, as they helped towards his success and fame and the success of Star Wars, would it hurt him without comprising his vision, not everybody is SFX obsessed .

You have called him greedy for "milking the cash cow" etc and Luca($) for going on Donald Trump and releasing a boxset, Im sure now people dont begrudge making money through his films though some of the merchandising is excessive and silly but you cant critise other people for saying that then do it yourself.

The originals people not liking the prequels, I am sure most have given them every chance, to me and others maybe the quality isnt there in the first two, and I am not just talking about Jar Jar, it seems no cocindence that a proportion of originals people like Sith but not the other two that should tell Lucas and people something...


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I don't hate him at all. He's actually a pretty cool and charasmatic guy in a sort of geeky way. However, I've lost all respect for him, even to the point where now I pitty him. To me, he's 100% clueless.
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