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Caston
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Disney Star Wars is just a Bad Karma for George Lucas
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5-Jul-2023, 8:48 AM

Well, Spartacus01, you are half right, and somehow also more than half wrong. Somehow. I’m not quite sure.

Spartacus01 said:

Firstly, what’s really bad is not the Karma for George, but the total lack of punctuation in your post.

Secondly, we can say many things about George, but to blame him for the total mess that Star Wars has become today is exaggerated. If Star Wars today is mostly bad, it’s not George’s fault but fault of who is directing and writing Star Wars nowadays. Since they’re in control of Star Wars, then they are also responsible for what’s happening with Star Wars today. It is not Lucas’ fault if the Sequels are bad, it is fault of who wrote and directed the Sequels. It is not Lucas’ fault if The Mandalorian is a mediocre show, it is fault of who wrote and directed The Mandalorian. It is not Lucas’ fault if the Kenobi series is unwatchable, it is fault of the people who wrote and directed the Kenobi series. Everyone has to take responsibility for their own actions, so blaming Lucas for something he didn’t do is intellectually dishonest.

Absolutely, It could be argued TFA being a re-tread of the OT because the makers felt needed to distance the film from the low quality and much derided Prequels (which at the time were the last Star Wars films released), made by George.

Minch also says Kathleen Kennedy and the likes of Dave Filoni are to blame for the more recent, current state of Star Wars. So Minch isn’t solely blaming George “for the total mess that Star Wars has become today”.
 

But the rest of your above post, you are correct. Although that is not what Minch posted in his, uh, list of grievances?:-

George erasing the contribution of Marcia Lucas and others in Star Wars? ✔️
George creating the Special Edition and then attempting to erase the unaltered cuts of the OT? ✔️
George attempting to discredit EU authors and make the EU non-canon (yet also happy to profit from it)? ✔️
George lying about number of episodes & all being thought out etc, then “I never thought of anything” for the ST? ✔️
George lying saying novels isn’t how he’d do the ST, despite him being the one to suggest it (& contribute to it)? ✔️
George lying when saying Star Wars “was always really the tragedy of Darth Vader”? ✔️
George discrediting other creatives and EU works with “the Emperor doesn’t get cloned & Luke doesn’t get married.”? ✔️
George contradicting himself about what is Canon (+ playing down other creatives licensed work he profited from)? ✔️
George stating SW/EU is like “the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost?” (I don’t get it, but George did say it.) ✔️
George says SW is “Tragedy of Darth Vader”, money changing his perspective & story (Leia being the Chosen One in his ST) ✔️

For some reason you appear to have completely skipped over or ignored Minch’s above points?

 

Also, George has never blamed the fans who don’t like the Prequel Trilogy for anything. He never said that the fans who didn’t like the Prequels are the reason he sold Star Wars. He has always reiterated that he sold Star Wars because he was tired, and wanted to spend his old age with his family.

He accused some fans of making up claims the films had racist stereotypes in TPM because they simply didn’t like Jar Jar? Or something along those lines? I’d have to look it up to be sure, so I could be likely wrong on that.

George is on record saying he wants his things his own way and doesn’t really care what the fans think. Something about throwing rocks at him, so he will do it his way or something? There are interviews and articles that appear in threads on here where George is being a prick to fans with his choices, decisions and reasoning. He seems to have got more prickly, to appearing to have had some sort of character change around the time of the SE’s and PT. Those OT Index and TCvsSE Index threads on here have a lot of the articles, quotes and interviews, if you’re interested.

I thought part of his reasoning he gave for selling up was to go make smaller independent experimental films, films he wanted to make. Family too, likely. He didn’t seem too bothered about selling Lucasfiim to “white slavers”, but did get a bit flustered when they later turned down his Sequel ideas (Leia as the retconned prophesied “Chosen One”, really?).
 

In fact, I believe that George was more intellectually honest than many of the people who work for Disney Star Wars, because contrary to Disney, which calls anyone who doesn’t appreciate the Sequel Trilogy a “fake fan”, a “racist”, or a “sexist”, George always said that even the fans who despised the Prequels should be considered fans, and always called them fans, even in the interviews in which he openly criticize them.

Disney calls anyone who doesn’t appreciate the Sequel Trilogy a “fake fan”, a “racist”, or a “sexist”? You’re obviously being hyperbolic with that claim. They’ve called out the racism, sexism, and some disingenuous fan views? (for money or subscribers?) for when they saw it that at the time. Good for them.

They know the Sequels haven’t been well received overall, and seem quite accepting of that criticism, or the film makers do, at least. I, just like many others, have criticized the ST at times, and yet Disney have never called me a racist, sexist or fake fan. Likely those many others too.

“George was more intellectually honest than many of the people who work for Disney Star Wars”. That is a low bar, all around!

If you want to see George’s “intellectually honesty” give Minch’s post another read, then that “GL Unreliable Narrator and Time Travelling Revisionist” thread and the OT Index a read, also. He may be more honest than Disney? But still, a low bar.
 

 
Genius, visionary, dedicated, generous? Yes, George is all those things. Liar, revisionist, carries a grudge, selective memory. Yes those too. Almost like he is human, just like the rest of us.

A truly great team of creatives and talents around him in the early days too. People who questioned him, challenged him, and offered him alternative solutions to problems. “Like lightning or magic in a bottle”, I’ve seen it described on here.