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The highs of S2 so far have been surprisingly consistent beginning with the 2-episode midseason special and I’m so glad for that.

The latest episode with Crosshair and (rip) commander Mayhem was one of the most tense, mature and emotionally wrenching pieces of animated Star Wars media I’ve seen. Character development this good in the span of only 20-ish minutes makes you wonder why the heck do they bother with mid filler episodes like that treasure quest one.

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The Bad Batch has no right to just casually throw in episodes as good as The Outpost. If every episode had that level of storytelling quality it would have been a serious contender for best Star Wars show.

“Remember, the Force will be with you. Always.”

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jedi_bendu said:

The Bad Batch has no right to just casually throw in episodes as good as The Outpost. If every episode had that level of storytelling quality it would have been a serious contender for best Star Wars show.

That episode was a joy to watch. The story was gripping with welcome shades of The Thing too! I hope they continue where they left off in next week’s episode.

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I expect the Bad Batch will try to sneak into Mount Tantiss and shut down the zillo beast cloning project. My big question is whether the Empire will have finished whatever experiment they’re doing on Crosshair by the time they get there. Maybe he’s being genetically modified to be a Death Trooper or something.

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They are really doing some great work this season. Another top tier episode today leaving me wanting more. I’m enjoying this more than I am The Mandalorian, and I never thought I’d say that about an animated series outperforming a live action series.

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I expect the Bad Batch will try to sneak into Mount Tantiss and shut down the zillo beast cloning project. My big question is whether the Empire will have finished whatever experiment they’re doing on Crosshair by the time they get there. Maybe he’s being genetically modified to be a Death Trooper or something.

It appears you are going to be right on this, not just the Zillo, but also the cloning projects too. Or they’ll try to shut them down, at least.

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I’m starting this series now after being done with Rebels last week. It was kinda meh even if I did enjoy Thrawn. After S1 E4 I think Crosshair is the best character but maybe I’m just a sadist.

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Crosshair deserves better

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JackNapier said:

Crosshair deserves better

He really is in a tough place at the moment.

This has been a really good story and also character arc for him, and for us viewers too.

The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.

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If you haven’t seen it yet, no spoilers in my short review.

These two episodes released as a season ender reinforced what I’ve already felt; This show is much more interesting to me than Mando. This had actual weight, tension, and emotion.
It felt very much like a live action film. Sorry it’s over for this season.

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I had forgot there was two episodes to end this season. But it only took a few minutes to correct that after seeing the penultimate episode!

Two amazing episodes, expanding the story and events in the galaxy, and done so with the weight, tension, and emotion as Anchorhead posted above. I was on the edge of my seat for most of the two episodes, and left drained, yet fulfilled by the end.

Really hoping this gets renewed for a third season and beyond.

The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.

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Matt Michnovetz, Jennifer Corbett, Brad Rau and the team have done a fantastic job this season for The Bad Batch. The quality has been more of a live-action standard, and I really want to see the series renewed to see where they take it in the next season.

That season finale was a tough watch.

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spoilers:
Rip Tech.

I’m just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe.

Star Wars has 3 eras: The eras are 1977-1983(pre Expanded Universe), (1983-2014) expanded universe, or (2014- now) Disney-bought version. Each are valid.

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Juno Eclipse said:

The quality has been more of a live-action standard

I have to take a bit of issue with this wording. Animation always seems to get looked down upon as an “inferior” medium, and although it’s totally fair for someone to prefer one over the other, neither animation or live action have any bearing on the quality of a story. They’re simply the vessel that brings that story to the audience.

A great example is how The Bad Batch, has been blowing The Mandalorian - a live action show - out of the water every week it’s been airing. Maybe The Mandalorian should start aspiring to be animation standard…

(I’m aware this is a very pedantic thing to point out but as a massive fan of animation I see this kind of treatment of it a lot)

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The cartoons have been the most consistently good visual medium of Star Wars since the OT.

I would take Clone Wars, Rebels, and Bad Batch over Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, and Obi-Wan any day. Andor is the only live-action show to me, that has reached the level of quality the cartoons have set.

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jedi_bendu said:

Juno Eclipse said:

The quality has been more of a live-action standard

I have to take a bit of issue with this wording. Animation always seems to get looked down upon as an “inferior” medium, and although it’s totally fair for someone to prefer one over the other, neither animation or live action have any bearing on the quality of a story. They’re simply the vessel that brings that story to the audience.

A great example is how The Bad Batch, has been blowing The Mandalorian - a live action show - out of the water every week it’s been airing. Maybe The Mandalorian should start aspiring to be animation standard…

(I’m aware this is a very pedantic thing to point out but as a massive fan of animation I see this kind of treatment of it a lot)

It is simply praise for the show, in giving credit what Matt Michnovetz (writer & producer), Jennifer Corbett (lead writer) and Brad Rau (series director) and the whole team, for what have accomplished with the Bad Batch. I see a many comments on how much fans have enjoyed this show despite not being into animation series previously.

I’m one of them. The high quality of this and the all around levels of Andor have got me giving Rebels another watch, after I initially gave up half way through the first season many years ago.

And yes, this series has been more engaging and interesting than this year’s Mandalorian.

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Juno Eclipse said:

jedi_bendu said:

Juno Eclipse said:

The quality has been more of a live-action standard

I have to take a bit of issue with this wording. Animation always seems to get looked down upon as an “inferior” medium, and although it’s totally fair for someone to prefer one over the other, neither animation or live action have any bearing on the quality of a story. They’re simply the vessel that brings that story to the audience.

A great example is how The Bad Batch, has been blowing The Mandalorian - a live action show - out of the water every week it’s been airing. Maybe The Mandalorian should start aspiring to be animation standard…

(I’m aware this is a very pedantic thing to point out but as a massive fan of animation I see this kind of treatment of it a lot)

It is simply praise for the show, in giving credit what Matt Michnovetz (writer & producer), Jennifer Corbett (lead writer) and Brad Rau (series director) and the whole team, for what have accomplished with the Bad Batch. I see a many comments on how much fans have enjoyed this show despite not being into animation series previously.

I think it’s poor praise, and prejudiced against animation as a medium, which sucks, as SW has had many high points in animation, like Bad Batch. Not to mention entire animated masterpieces like some Pixar stuff, a bajillion animes, western stuff like Last Airbender, etc.

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Omni said:

Juno Eclipse said:

jedi_bendu said:

Juno Eclipse said:

The quality has been more of a live-action standard

I have to take a bit of issue with this wording. Animation always seems to get looked down upon as an “inferior” medium, and although it’s totally fair for someone to prefer one over the other, neither animation or live action have any bearing on the quality of a story. They’re simply the vessel that brings that story to the audience.

A great example is how The Bad Batch, has been blowing The Mandalorian - a live action show - out of the water every week it’s been airing. Maybe The Mandalorian should start aspiring to be animation standard…

(I’m aware this is a very pedantic thing to point out but as a massive fan of animation I see this kind of treatment of it a lot)

It is simply praise for the show, in giving credit what Matt Michnovetz (writer & producer), Jennifer Corbett (lead writer) and Brad Rau (series director) and the whole team, for what have accomplished with the Bad Batch. I see a many comments on how much fans have enjoyed this show despite not being into animation series previously.

I think it’s poor praise, and prejudiced against animation as a medium, which sucks, as SW has had many high points in animation, like Bad Batch.

I know. It is why I think the Bad Batch will overtake The Mandalorian in my personal rankings soon enough (as well as Mandalorian not holding my interest and generally having a disappointing season so far).

It is also why Clone Wars (2003) and Visions place in the top 3 of all time small screen rankings for me, with the Bad Batch and Tales Of The Jedi making the Top 6, ahead of Kenobi and BOBF.

Though Resistance does rank bottom, a good and much needed concept that failed in the execution, fitting in with events between TLJ and TROS and explaining the layout of the galaxy, and how the FO came to power so quickly, and so on. Instead, it wandered off with meaningless filler stories, introduced needless disposable characters, and some cheap looking animation.

It reminded me of cheap animation for kids that was prevalent through the 1980’s and early 90s TV. Cheap, lazy and uninspiring, toy adverts with flat stories there only to keep kids glued to the TV sets for 20 minutes. Like Ewoks, and the slightly better Droids, that did a funky theme and some good episodes dotted in amongst it. I am of that era, and grew out of animation shortly after that time because good live-action TV offered so much more; weight, tension, cinematography, story and character arcs, and good quality engaging books offered even more than that.

I had no idea in praising the writers, director and producer of Bad Batch, in comparing them to what is being achieved in quality live action series, that I was “prejudiced against animation as a medium”. Thank you for that. It made me smile and laugh, quite a bit.

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I miss the Bad Batch. I miss it even more after today’s Mandalorian episode.

The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.

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jedi_bendu said:

I have to take a bit of issue with this wording. Animation always seems to get looked down upon as an “inferior” medium, and although it’s totally fair for someone to prefer one over the other, neither animation or live action have any bearing on the quality of a story. They’re simply the vessel that brings that story to the audience.

I have to take a bit of issue with your statement as I’ve compared this to live action a few times. Feel free to point out where I’ve said animation is inferior. To be clear, and I believe I’ve stated this before, I originally became interested in this series because of the animation. For Christ’s sake, I’m watching and enjoying a series that exists in the Prequel world.

You don’t have to be on here for very long to know I’m not familiar with the prequels and don’t know who most of these characters are or what the story is. I just know the Bad Batch characters and I’m enjoying this show. When I say this feels like live action, I mean the depth of characters and the quality writing.

Before you go off half-cocked on that being an animation slight, it’s fair to point out that there is no shortage of animation that’s light on depth. The same can be said of some live action entries; Book Of Boba Fett and The Mandalorian season three being a couple of examples.

I could make this same post on the Visions discussion because it applies there as well. I had little interest in it as advertised (wasn’t an Anime fan) and it ended up being the animation that drew me in and depth of characters that kept me involved.

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Anchorhead said:

jedi_bendu said:

I have to take a bit of issue with this wording. Animation always seems to get looked down upon as an “inferior” medium, and although it’s totally fair for someone to prefer one over the other, neither animation or live action have any bearing on the quality of a story. They’re simply the vessel that brings that story to the audience.

I have to take a bit of issue with your statement as I’ve compared this to live action a few times. Feel free to point out where I’ve said animation is inferior. To be clear, and I believe I’ve stated this before, I originally became interested in this series because of the animation. For Christ’s sake, I’m watching and enjoying a series that exists in the Prequel world.

You don’t have to be on here for very long to know I’m not familiar with the prequels and don’t know who most of these characters are or what the story is. I just know the Bad Batch characters and I’m enjoying this show. When I say this feels like live action, I mean the depth of characters and the quality writing.

Before you go off half-cocked on that being an animation slight, it’s fair to point out that there is no shortage of animation that’s light on depth. The same can be said of some live action entries; Book Of Boba Fett and The Mandalorian season three being a couple of examples.

I could make this same post on the Visions discussion because it applies there as well. I had little interest in it as advertised (wasn’t an Anime fan) and it ended up being the animation that drew me in and depth of characters that kept me involved.

I apologise to both you and Juno Eclipse if I came across as condescending, I definitely felt the phrase “live action standard” implied the best that animation can do is be on par with live action content which didn’t sit right with me, but it’s true animation has built up a bit of a reputation for lighthearted stories. I can see where you’re coming from.

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A third and final season???!!! www.starwars.com/news/swce-2023-the-bad-batch-season-3

 
The Bad Batch panel was for me the best panel shown at this Celebration. Engaging panelists, both the actors and creators, talking about their and each others’ work openly, with emotion and love.

For anyone who missed it, it can be be viewed here at the official Star Wars YouTube, at 64 minutes into the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7D4MWJofM

 

jedi_bendu said:

Anchorhead said:

jedi_bendu said:

I have to take a bit of issue with this wording. Animation always seems to get looked down upon as an “inferior” medium, and although it’s totally fair for someone to prefer one over the other, neither animation or live action have any bearing on the quality of a story. They’re simply the vessel that brings that story to the audience.

I have to take a bit of issue with your statement as I’ve compared this to live action a few times. Feel free to point out where I’ve said animation is inferior. To be clear, and I believe I’ve stated this before, I originally became interested in this series because of the animation. For Christ’s sake, I’m watching and enjoying a series that exists in the Prequel world.

You don’t have to be on here for very long to know I’m not familiar with the prequels and don’t know who most of these characters are or what the story is. I just know the Bad Batch characters and I’m enjoying this show. When I say this feels like live action, I mean the depth of characters and the quality writing.

Before you go off half-cocked on that being an animation slight, it’s fair to point out that there is no shortage of animation that’s light on depth. The same can be said of some live action entries; Book Of Boba Fett and The Mandalorian season three being a couple of examples.

I could make this same post on the Visions discussion because it applies there as well. I had little interest in it as advertised (wasn’t an Anime fan) and it ended up being the animation that drew me in and depth of characters that kept me involved.

I apologise to both you and Juno Eclipse if I came across as condescending, I definitely felt the phrase “live action standard” implied the best that animation can do is be on par with live action content which didn’t sit right with me, but it’s true animation has built up a bit of a reputation for lighthearted stories. I can see where you’re coming from.

No apology is needed, jedi_bendu. We’re all fans of the series in here. And much of Star Wars animation too. It is your posts in the Rebels thread that has persuaded me to give it another chance all these years later.

And I hope that third and final season of Bad Batch is up there on a par with what we’ve seen in season 2! 😃

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I am a little disappointed there is only one more season this, but am happy it has the chance to finish up the stories it wants to tell. The majority of season 2 was very good, some early filler episodes apart, it was not far from Andor levels of quality and interest to me. And like others in here, I found this more enjoyable than some of the other recent Star Wars series, Mandalorian included.

So I hope season 3 will be on those high levels of season 2!

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I finally binged thru the second half of Bad Batch Season 2 and all I can say is WOW! Why is the animation side of Star Wars always so much better than the live action side?

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Well, the third season is coming in February 21.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa5zeHdSwdQ
I wish I could say I’m excited since I really enjoyed the first and second seasons, but Star Wars quality has been going up and down so much lately I don’t wanna set myself for disappointment.