Do we like this direction:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dVY6W8eLkseJ7BV0-KoG3Jj0VlQjYDlh/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gugPBmJWyue7AUhfj6ZlHZrvwRYmSGSq/view?usp=sharing
I’d like to know before I try generating the rest.
YES.
Also, if the “his followers have been ___ something for years” could be told to slow down, or try to get several iterations so that with any luck I can lipsync it close enough to be able to have the line onscreen. The line as originally delivered emphasized “hiding” and did not emphasize “years,” so doing likewise may help.
If the rest of the lines can sound like what you just generated, and we can get that line to match lipsync, I think we’ll have this in the bag.
If possible, multiple line readings or variations would be nice for the “His fleet is a such and such from the Empire,” to play with and see what fits best.
Now I know how Lucas felt directing TPM from the editing room, splicing together takes.
Excellent work, JJB, and thanks for continuing it.
He’s been planning his revenge: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dVY6W8eLkseJ7BV0-KoG3Jj0VlQjYDlh/view
His followers have been hiding something for years: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HXpHmoGguY9zn3ofxyX8wkMcTyPtcN9E/view?usp=sharing
An enormous stockpile of Star Destroyers from the old war: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SEyZdLTbTlP6b6MrXVnQRTWlUASDptTQ/view?usp=sharing
He calls it the Final Order: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sQvHdg9HwAadrAh-aZzRYCjT4fS6RAcF/view?usp=sharing
The Emperor and his fleet… on a world called Exegol: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aY8aY1xJRFVrSjxRTdn64xeFka7s7O1c/view?usp=sharing
TL;DR (one file): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Y9zWnPiWQM6eMptGvIQO3LQLVQ5Deo5A/view?usp=sharing
That’s sounding a lot closer to the original lines, though the delivery on the new line still sounds a bit more like a narration. Also I think “old Empire” would make more sense instead of “old war”.
That does sound like an improvement, and about the right register. Is there a way to direct it to deliver it more slowly? If there is, that may help tailor it to the scene. Or really any variation.
The line “he calls it the Final Order” in particular should be slower, and not necessarily have emphasis on any one word. It’s the one that needs to be able to match Poe onscreen.
This should be a better take on the stockpile line:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VZqR69EoO2T7J3YKsdAWHuPYMZUZrtS6/view?usp=sharing
Also, I already used the pace:Slow variable for all of these. It doesn’t get slower than this.
I’ll sit down with these whenever possible, and see how they shake out. 😃
Here is a better and slower Final Order line: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DiNGWhhMYnVJVL0c9A1biPMYtrK8zJjo/view?usp=sharing
I imagine that being perfect for the shot. Well see if tonight favors me with any free time.
This one is pretty close too but it’s much quieter (which I know we wanted to avoid):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u8YGszWZMiu1hg7whGWBQ5UU8uw-ucVa/view?usp=drivesdk
Here is our final list (as I understand it) for your convenience:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dVY6W8eLkseJ7BV0-KoG3Jj0VlQjYDlh/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HXpHmoGguY9zn3ofxyX8wkMcTyPtcN9E/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VZqR69EoO2T7J3YKsdAWHuPYMZUZrtS6/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DiNGWhhMYnVJVL0c9A1biPMYtrK8zJjo/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aY8aY1xJRFVrSjxRTdn64xeFka7s7O1c/view
Here’s how they sound in context. The line about his followers building something has one edit point halfway through to bring it into sync, and the lipsync even looks good as-is. If someone is able to apply a surgical morph to mask the cut, it’d work. Or, we just can’t show Poe for that shot.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jTZfPqEHWMolAu3Ghp4iR6AuaZUBKN1e/view?usp=share_link
I think all of the lines sound perfect except for the stockpile one. Let me generate some more options.
EDIT: Try this - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TMV2Jj8CKWBynVfCgVsDRiT9-vUK88nc/view?usp=sharing
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Filmic Crossroads, Daniel L. Isidore
Here’s the best I can get the Poe lines to sound. It’d be nice to lipsync the line “His followers have been hiding something for years,” but with what’s available now this is what I can do. I don’t think it’s half bad and I doubt anyone would have batted an eye in the theater.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MsJjLxDxVwrjR8KjZNzToTiKnMRxtFVX/view?usp=share_link
Also, I can’t really remove Finn’s line about Endor being “where the last war ended” because it makes the switch in focus of the scene happen very quickly, even for TROS standards.
ALSO, I am going to use yellow lightning for the primary version of Ascendant just like the ‘Rey Nobody’ version, as I very much like how it recontextualizes her yellow saber as an integration of what she feared. BUT, I will continue to honor the poll which showed people favoring using Vader’s TIE rather than the shuttle.
I feel like the technical aspects are really executed and, not having watched the movie a whole lot since it stopped being shown on theaters, I do indeed not notice anything off. I also kind of feel like more could be done with this line, though, since his followers hiding something is already implied in the rest of the movie. Why not make it more explicit how he survived, like mentioning essence transfer or whatever the current canon explanation is? Or at least something about him having a backup plan before Vader betrayed him.
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Can you smooth over the visual difference where I cut midway through Poe’s line?
Here’s the best I can get the Poe lines to sound. It’d be nice to lipsync the line “His followers have been hiding something for years,” but with what’s available now this is what I can do. I don’t think it’s half bad and I doubt anyone would have batted an eye in the theater.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MsJjLxDxVwrjR8KjZNzToTiKnMRxtFVX/view?usp=share_link
Also, I can’t really remove Finn’s line about Endor being “where the last war ended” because it makes the switch in focus of the scene happen very quickly, even for TROS standards.
ALSO, I am going to use yellow lightning for the primary version of Ascendant just like the ‘Rey Nobody’ version, as I very much like how it recontextualizes her yellow saber as an integration of what she feared. BUT, I will continue to honor the poll which showed people favoring using Vader’s TIE rather than the shuttle.
I feel like the technical aspects are really executed and, not having watched the movie a whole lot since it stopped being shown on theaters, I do indeed not notice anything off. I also kind of feel like more could be done with this line, though, since his followers hiding something is already implied in the rest of the movie. Why not make it more explicit how he survived, like mentioning essence transfer or whatever the current canon explanation is? Or at least something about him having a backup plan before Vader betrayed him.
The intro has clones of him and Palpy mentioning to Kylo he can transfer his consciousness. I think most fans of the series would be able to put two and two together.
The rest of Poe’s dialog is kinda important. We also had to consider lip sync. I think the only one that could be replaced is “He’s been planning his revenge”. Maybe he could say “He was prepared for his death”. Anything more complicated than that orindary people in the SW universe wouldn’t have any knowledge of. Heck, Merry is supposed to be a Sith lore expert and the best he can give us is “Dark science, cloning, secrets only the Sith knew”.
Would something like this (redone with AI, and maybe some dialogue changes) be too much?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Bl3jiP8EU&ab_channel=MrRazNZ
“You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view” — Obi-Wan Kenobi
Here’s the best I can get the Poe lines to sound. It’d be nice to lipsync the line “His followers have been hiding something for years,” but with what’s available now this is what I can do. I don’t think it’s half bad and I doubt anyone would have batted an eye in the theater.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MsJjLxDxVwrjR8KjZNzToTiKnMRxtFVX/view?usp=share_link
Also, I can’t really remove Finn’s line about Endor being “where the last war ended” because it makes the switch in focus of the scene happen very quickly, even for TROS standards.
ALSO, I am going to use yellow lightning for the primary version of Ascendant just like the ‘Rey Nobody’ version, as I very much like how it recontextualizes her yellow saber as an integration of what she feared. BUT, I will continue to honor the poll which showed people favoring using Vader’s TIE rather than the shuttle.
I feel like the technical aspects are really executed and, not having watched the movie a whole lot since it stopped being shown on theaters, I do indeed not notice anything off. I also kind of feel like more could be done with this line, though, since his followers hiding something is already implied in the rest of the movie. Why not make it more explicit how he survived, like mentioning essence transfer or whatever the current canon explanation is? Or at least something about him having a backup plan before Vader betrayed him.
The intro has clones of him and Palpy mentioning to Kylo he can transfer his consciousness. I think most fans of the series would be able to put two and two together.
The rest of Poe’s dialog is kinda important. We also had to consider lip sync. I think the only one that could be replaced is “He’s been planning his revenge”. Maybe he could say “He was prepared for his death”. Anything more complicated than that orindary people in the SW universe wouldn’t have any knowledge of. Heck, Merry is supposed to be a Sith lore expert and the best he can give us is “Dark science, cloning, secrets only the Sith knew”.
“He was prepared for his death” works for me. Fleshes out things out just a little better without feeling like they know more than they should.
Here’s where things are with the Poe scene: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11itAzDZGR02gwOft3MPnw5OiVwdP9-Ll?usp=share_link
That URL links you to a folder, which contains a test clip as well as the footage that needs to be doctored to fit the new line. If anyone with the ability to do so could make it work, I think we will have gotten away with this change pretty effectively.
Here’s the best I can get the Poe lines to sound. It’d be nice to lipsync the line “His followers have been hiding something for years,” but with what’s available now this is what I can do. I don’t think it’s half bad and I doubt anyone would have batted an eye in the theater.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MsJjLxDxVwrjR8KjZNzToTiKnMRxtFVX/view?usp=share_link
Also, I can’t really remove Finn’s line about Endor being “where the last war ended” because it makes the switch in focus of the scene happen very quickly, even for TROS standards.
ALSO, I am going to use yellow lightning for the primary version of Ascendant just like the ‘Rey Nobody’ version, as I very much like how it recontextualizes her yellow saber as an integration of what she feared. BUT, I will continue to honor the poll which showed people favoring using Vader’s TIE rather than the shuttle.
I feel like the technical aspects are really executed and, not having watched the movie a whole lot since it stopped being shown on theaters, I do indeed not notice anything off. I also kind of feel like more could be done with this line, though, since his followers hiding something is already implied in the rest of the movie. Why not make it more explicit how he survived, like mentioning essence transfer or whatever the current canon explanation is? Or at least something about him having a backup plan before Vader betrayed him.
The intro has clones of him and Palpy mentioning to Kylo he can transfer his consciousness. I think most fans of the series would be able to put two and two together.
The rest of Poe’s dialog is kinda important. We also had to consider lip sync. I think the only one that could be replaced is “He’s been planning his revenge”. Maybe he could say “He was prepared for his death”. Anything more complicated than that orindary people in the SW universe wouldn’t have any knowledge of. Heck, Merry is supposed to be a Sith lore expert and the best he can give us is “Dark science, cloning, secrets only the Sith knew”.
“He was prepared for his death” works for me. Fleshes out things out just a little better without feeling like they know more than they should.
Here it is if anybody wants it: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yqJlDMYbQVdwJQjIjuKxo-Ler5s49Ptk/view?usp=sharing
Personally, I’m fine with the way we have it. Hal, if you’re happy with his current first line or want this new one, it doesn’t matter much. And you’re right, if we can just get somebody to move his mouth a bit we should have this in the bag.
Well there’s room for one more offscreen line from where there used to be “in 16 hours he’ll start killing everbody.” If there’s anything else we want to shoehorn in there.
“He’s been planning his revenge. His followers have been hiding something for years. An enormous stockpile of Star Destroyers from the old Empire. He calls it the final order. [By the way he returned via cloning.] His followers have been hiding in the Unknown Regions, on a world called Exegol.”
Try one of these two then:
Short: https://drive.google.com/file/d/125DfL-xWaiYCH0PAZZ3DAJoTzEElThuV/view?usp=sharing
Long: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i51-nqkZKPBOG_CKrIPJlspzessFMQbp/view?usp=sharing
I forgot that they’re getting this report directly from the First Order (who got it from Kylo Ren). So, really, they should know all of these details.
Wouldn’t make sense to throw that in there since we already have the previous lines speculating on Palpatine, and the main info being dumped in that moment is about the fleet. Maybe we could throw in a line about the axial cannons instead? since they become important in the final battle and there’s very little attention drawn to them beforehand.
I really hope that one day there can be a version of this without the kiss scene. Movie really suffers from that for me D: