Originally posted by: Switch Radic
I agree with not showing anakin becoming vader. that would preserve the surprise in empire. it would also mean that alot of long hours need to go into thinking things through about how to do the secondary apprentice, maybe one given to ben for training during the clone wars.
On a side note, i did suggest in a topic a while back that palpy cloned anakin and that the clone was the dark side user until anakin duels him. Ben would catch the tail end of the duel and think that anakin was killed by his clone, thus preserving the idea of what ben says in ANH. but that was too much of a cop out and un-original. I also believe that anakin's turning needs to happen earlier than episode 3. He should turn at the end of episode 2 by being forced to defend palpy from mace windu. there's more to that statement that I have to work out but take it as you will for now.
I agree with not showing anakin becoming vader. that would preserve the surprise in empire. it would also mean that alot of long hours need to go into thinking things through about how to do the secondary apprentice, maybe one given to ben for training during the clone wars.
On a side note, i did suggest in a topic a while back that palpy cloned anakin and that the clone was the dark side user until anakin duels him. Ben would catch the tail end of the duel and think that anakin was killed by his clone, thus preserving the idea of what ben says in ANH. but that was too much of a cop out and un-original. I also believe that anakin's turning needs to happen earlier than episode 3. He should turn at the end of episode 2 by being forced to defend palpy from mace windu. there's more to that statement that I have to work out but take it as you will for now.
"... a pupil of mine. 'Til he turned to evil."
I was trying to figure out where the idea of this "secondary apprentice" came from; I saw a couple people talking about it. Personally, I thought it was kind of stupid. But then I remembered that classic Obi-wan line and I see the need for it now.
"...a pupil of mine..."
This makes it sound a lot less "personal" than "apprentice." I think Ben might have had several Jedi pupils. But I guess I've always imagined Ben/Anakin's relationship to be a lot different than it was showed in L'sPT. The lines about fighting along side him in the clone wars, a great friend, and the greatest pilot in the galaxy, along with his being a general in the CW's made me think that (as Swithc Radic more or less was talking about earlier) Ben was in the Galactic Army fighting the clone wars (as a captain, or whathaveyou) when he met Anakin, a pilot in the Galactic Army. I don't see Ben dressed as he is in IV, but more like you'd expect an officer in the GA to be dressed. He'd just happen to have a lightsabre. Anyways, he would meet Anakin and decide that he was such a great pilot because he was using the force and Ben would decide to help him fine tune it a little bit. And, oh, wouldn't it be nice if the war wasn't going on and Anakin could go train properly with Yoda or someone. There are some other Jedi under Kenobi's command, but its more their religion than their job. They're just soldiers in the army. With a little extra oopmh, maybe. Since Dark Jedi (in spades, not just 2-3-4. This gives us the "Braveheart" lightsabre battles) and more specifically the Dark Side is the enemy of the story, maybe we see a few of these guys turn to the dark side. Or not, but we do have to pave the path so that the audience doesn't only assume Anakin when he says that a pupil of his turned to the dark side.
RE: Someone other than Ben killing Anakin: I think it would be a mistake to suggest that Ben still doesn't know at the beggining of ANH that Anakin=Vader. I agree with what has been said: that you can mostly discount what Ben says as things that he thinks Luke needs to hear more than the truth. But anyways, if you end III with the classic Ben VS Anakin, and you think that Ben kills Anakin and that's how you come out of the PT... then when you hear Ben telling Luke about how some other guy (the recently introduced Darth Vader) killed his pops, you think: Now wait a minute, Ben... You're going to have to tell him some time that YOU killed his dad. So when ESB comes around and Vader drops the whole "Obi-wan never told you what happened to your father." It's even more of a shocker than ever.
Xhonzi
Anyways