That one uber prequel apologist, So Uncivilized, lost all credibility for me when he championed Nerdonymous’ video.
You mean the one who did a video that basically said “Sure, the prequels’ dialogue is awful, but that makes it memorable, so you aren’t allowed to criticize it”, but stretched out to 10 minutes long? Yeah, he had no credibility to me from the very beginning.
“Eminem has memorable lyrics but to me it doesn’t sound like things real people would naturally say, therefore it’s bad and he’s a hack.”
Sweet Jesus, that’s a bad argument. Literally the biggest case of false equivalency I’ve ever seen.
Like, I don’t know if you realize this, but songs literally CANNOT sound natural. If a song sounded like natural speech, it would just be some guy ranting with no rhythm or melody while an instrumental track played in the background. “Naturalism” is literally the least important thing in a musician’s mind.
But meanwhile, movies definitely have the capability to sound natural. In fact, most people would argue that’s what a scriptwriter should aim for. Of course, you don’t always need to sound natural: Even in the original Star Wars, the spiritual mentor characters spoke in a more poetic way to emphasize their mythic nature. But when it came to the more down-to-earth characters that Star Wars mostly focuses on, they spoke in a very natural way, with the perfect combination of relatable awkwardness and powerful emotion. That selectively-applied naturalism is part of the overall concoction of scriptwriting genius that made the OT so relatable to millions of people.
And that combination of poetry and naturalism is exactly where the prequels fell flat. There were no more down-to-earth, relatable characters, no natural, semi-awkward speech: everyone just spoke in the exact same mixture of “bureaucratic meeting” and “high-schooler’s attempt at writing a sonnet”. It was awkward in the absolute worst way, and it’s possibly the biggest reason why the prequels are so hard to watch as an adult.
Anyway, I apologize to you G&G Fan. I was wrong about what I said, and it’s embarrassing to look at the original thread and see myself defending a viewpoint which I really think should have been obvious how wrong it was. I’m feeling that way more and more about the shit I’ve said on the internet years past. Although Nerdonymous’s major chip on his shoulder really does make the video fucking suck.
You’re good man. I’ll think about messages I’ve sent here before that just make me cringe (me bending over backwards to defend the Prequels, like my old Yoda thread). I’ve funnily gone from one of the biggest Prequel defenders on the forum to agreeing with a lot of people’s issues, even if I still enjoy ROTS a lot (tho I’ve changed my mind about it being better then ANH; ANH is awesome). My last rewatch of the saga had me saying a lot of the stuff OT fans say. I used to use Rick fucking Worley videos to support my points before coming to the inevitable realization that he’s an egotistical idiot (probably should’ve been tipped off by him slandering Marvel; the MCU is awesome, I will take no sass). Sometimes I’ve exploded in ways that are just embarrassing to look back at, too.
But in the end we all grow and change and evolve.
His opinion that MCU isn’t cinema (an opinion shared by some of the greatest filmmakers out there) automatically makes him an idiot and invalidates any insights he’s had on Star Wars?
That’s honestly a pretty decent point. If anything, “he thinks the MCU is regurgitated fast-food trash” should be taken as a sign of intelligence. Sorry Marvel fans, but your movies suck.