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Hey Eddie!

As someone who’s had the Clone Wars Blu-Ray sets sitting on my shelf for years and never being able to make it past the first seasons. I decided to finally sit down and watch your edit, and all I’ve got to say is thank you for delivering a version of the Clone Wars I could actually enjoy!

You said you plan on doing extended versions of particular episodes yeah? I’d love to see one of the Mortis arc. I’ve never watched the original episodes, but I found your cut to be a little too aggressive. It felt like a lot of it was missing, almost to the point of me not being able to follow any of the characters motives. The brother, sister, and father characters in particular. Maybe these elements are confusing in the original episodes, but seeing as this was a cut of 3 episodes down to a 30 minute episode, I’m gonna assume it may be the cut itself.

Another episode I think could use a slight extended cut would be the Order 66/Renegade arc. There was one part in the middle I was taken out by, as I could tell stuff was missing from the plot. After Tup’s death scene we jump to Shaak Ti reporting to Palpatine that Tups died and they will be sending the Tumor. Then we jump to the medical droid reporting to a Clone Trooper that he had seen the Renegade clone. I’m confused as to how this scene plays out. How do Shaak Ti and the Kamino women know of the tumor since Fives still has it and has seemingly gone on the run with it? I’m gonna assume in the original scene he was imprisoned and escaped which is why he is now being referred to as the Renegade clone?

If you do plan on doing extended cuts, I feel these two episodes could use it the most.

Also any idea on when you’ll start work on the Citadel arc and Bad Batch Episode 0? With Season 2 coming out soon, these are the two I’d like to see the most considering how important both are for the Bad Batch.

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I have some brief comments about S04E10 - THE COSMIC FORCE.

I really liked most of the episode, but some portions of it I thought could be trimmed or modified.

  1. The Anakin execution of Dooku with the two lightsabers resembles what we see in ROTS. I feel it effectively functions as a spoiler if someone never watched these before.

  2. I felt the scenario of Anakin helping Yoda escape from his medical “prison” came off as far too childish. Yoda is considered the wisest of the Jedi, nearly 900 years old, but is treated like an irresponsible child that is not allowed to control his own life.

He also behaves childishly asking Anakin to help him escape because of his history of disobedience. Perhaps this can be modified in a way to appear that Yoda leaves of his own will without resistance along with Anakin’s assistance.

Moving to S04E02 - THE LIVING FORCE, I liked 99% of how you structured the episode. My absolute favorite cut was the Vader shenanigans. I thought that was far too aggressive with the foreshadowing.

The foreshadowing issue is also where I feel problems arise. Shortly before Father dies, he informs Anakin that he could bring balance to the galaxy, but also provides him with some caution as well. While his prophecy was not completely definitive, I still feel it is a little much with blatant foreshadowing. I do not feel as strongly as this one, but I have always been hostile to the Anakin Chosen One prophecy as it makes it too obvious what happens in the end.

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Disagree on all points personally.

“You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view” — Obi-Wan Kenobi

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When it comes to new ordering of episodes should I follow what the spreadsheet says for watch order or the label of the file itself? Also where would revenge of the dith fit best in a watch order with your refocused clone wars?

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Haris123 said:

When it comes to new ordering of episodes should I follow what the spreadsheet says for watch order or the label of the file itself? Also where would revenge of the dith fit best in a watch order with your refocused clone wars?

Follow the spreadsheet over the file labels. RotS is listed in season 5 as if it’s an episode, which should guide you regarding when to watch it.

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honestabe said:

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I see what you’re saying, but like Peonthegrate, I think these should stay as is. I’ve taken out a lot of spoilery content from The Cosmic/Living Force, with the rest I think only really serving as an obvious spoiler if you already know it.

Things like Anakin helping Yoda escape are the kind of plotlines I can’t really change. There’re a few of these, where you need to get characters from A to B, but don’t have any alternatives. I can’t make this show perfect - only better than the original presentation.

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WitchDR said:

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Sorry for the late reply on this one! I will be doing extended episodes for some (mainly reinserting action sequences in longer arcs) but I don’t think I will for Mortis. It’s one of the few radical changes I’ve made that I think is really warranted - I’m passionate about my frustrations with the original episodes and I’m very proud of what I’ve been able to do to strike a middle ground.

Yes, it doesn’t make masses of sense now, but it does make Lynchian dream-sense, while still giving us the takeaways we need for the wider plot. The removal of motive for the Mortis Gods is extremely deliberate - should Vader in Luke’s Dagobah vision have a motive? No, he’s a vision-being.

With the Order 66 arc, I feel you. That was a tricky cut. The problem was, if we want to preserve Tup’s original escape, it’s loads of boring minutes of additional scenes required as a consequence. I know it’s not ideal, but at least with this new way it is addressed, via that line of dialogue and some reestabilshing shots to show time passing.

I probably won’t do Bad Batch #0 now, since Acbagel has gone and done that as part of his wider Bad Batch edit, which is really where that episode belongs. The scene that’s relevant to TCW in that episode is preserved by my edit.

I don’t intend to do Citadel, or at least, it’s very low down the priority list. Yes, Echo ‘dies’ in it, but in the most throwaway way. He’s not a main character in the arc, given no presence or development, then a casual explosion kills him and another clone shouts ‘Echoooo!’, after which nobody mentions it again. I don’t think it’s worth including the episode just for that throwaway scene, when others can reference Echo’s death later. The arc itself, while it has some good Anakin/Tarkin moments, is fairly poor too. That said, it’s the highest of the ‘low priority’ episodes, I suppose!

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Read your thoughts for incorporating Life and Death and Practice Makes Perfect, and I think they are both excellent. (For Resolve I have my own approach to incorporating it into my mixed movie/show RotS/TCW finale, which is to say I only include the funeral sequence and have left the farm planet and inquisitorfight on the cutting room floor as I personally think the Ahsoka novel tells that same story better.)

Looking forward to finishing watching this with my partner, and seeing how your finale edits may bleed into my version (mainly the Bad Batch scene)

Congrats on finishing the whole thing! It’s a monumental achievement and really does take my favorite SW show and make it even better. (Now we just need some brave soul to do this for Resistance…)

My Edits:
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Hey Eddie, love what you’ve done with the series so far. While actually jumping around episodes, The Martez Sisters episode does have a typo under Nathaniel Villanueva’s name (Natahniel?). Just letting you know… 😉

Also digging the Mandalorian-like Closing Credits displaying all the artwork as well.

“Did you know, the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary?! Look it up.”

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I AM heavily interested in this Fan Edit of THE CLONE WARS series. Maybe not Season based, but Chronological Story based.
If I have misunderstood your fan edit is in fact Chronological Story order for Seasons 1 through 6 (The Lost Missions), including the MOVIE, then of course I’m interested. Especially if it’s 1080p with subtitles, and puts all the credits at the end of the “chunk” of a particular story. Season 7 can be “left off” regarding fan edits for me, since it’s 4K HDR10, easier to watch separately, and would be a wild jump from seasons 1-6 in terms of resolution. That, and it was made after the animatics which are the abandoned stories aka different production. No idea how the quality is regarding deleted scenes from the Blu-rays or if those are included at all regarding this. I’d need to thoroughly re-read the first post of your thread regarding your fan edit.
Pity Lucasfilm Ltd. only had lossy audio instead of lossless regarding the Blu-ray discs of THE CLONE WARS Seasons 1 through 6. And no chronological story order either, which I doubt they’re willing to do.
Haven’t watched Tales of the Jedi yet.
I didn’t even watch THE CLONE WARS when it first broadcast. Watched it at a friends house on Blu-ray disc around the time STAR WARS REBELS Season 2 was on its second episode. Was a LOT of disc swapping since chronological story order with Seasons 1 through 6. Was hooked 100% with the Second Battle of Geonosis. Only have THE CLONE WARS movie on Blu-ray disc, and have been meaning to get the rest of the Blu-ray discs at least second hand.
I’ve a lot of catching up to do with my STAR WARS physical media collection. Thankfully a lot are brand new purchases instead of buying specific releases all over again.

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My edit plays in chronological order, though it does make some changes to the official Disney/Lucasfilm chronological ordering because I wanted to get some storylines kicking off sooner. But if you watch it end to end, it will not break either its internal canon or wider SW canon. So you can replace the original show with this.

This is 720p, not 1080p. My PC struggled with editing 1080p files, and also, IMO there’s very little gain for 1080 for this show, since the models and lighting are so flat, especially earlier on. I don’t think you lose much at all. There are one or two lower quality sources, but they are minor, and I don’t think you’d notice them. Some cut scenes are included, but again you wouldn’t notice a quality dip.

Credits come at the end of each of my episodes, and generally my episodes are each a full arc from the show. In a couple of places, an arc from the show is split over multiple episodes however, and each of these has their own credits.

Having said all of the above, you may instead prefer Numeraljoker’s edit, which doesn’t edit the content at all (in terms of shots/narrative), but which presents each arc as a single episode, all to 1080p+ and HDR (I believe). Where his is the original content to shiny quality, mine is designed to improve the narrative.

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EddieDean said:

My edit plays in chronological order, though it does make some changes to the official Disney/Lucasfilm chronological ordering because I wanted to get some storylines kicking off sooner. But if you watch it end to end, it will not break either its internal canon or wider SW canon. So you can replace the original show with this.

This is 720p, not 1080p. My PC struggled with editing 1080p files, and also, IMO there’s very little gain for 1080 for this show, since the models and lighting are so flat, especially earlier on. I don’t think you lose much at all. There are one or two lower quality sources, but they are minor, and I don’t think you’d notice them. Some cut scenes are included, but again you wouldn’t notice a quality dip.

Credits come at the end of each of my episodes, and generally my episodes are each a full arc from the show. In a couple of places, an arc from the show is split over multiple episodes however, and each of these has their own credits.

Having said all of the above, you may instead prefer Numeraljoker’s edit, which doesn’t edit the content at all (in terms of shots/narrative), but which presents each arc as a single episode, all to 1080p+ and HDR (I believe). Where his is the original content to shiny quality, mine is designed to improve the narrative.

Numeraljoker’s edit then, but Seasons 1-6. Can be 1080p for that and not upscaled, since the BDs & THE MOVIE was 1080p. This forum has a bad layout, no search function amongst lacking other features, so I’m going to check the stickied thread for that.
Regarding the 2.35:1/2.40:1 aspect ratio of the show, did you find 720p to be okay with what you did regarding this fan edit? Especially with the episodes/movies you’ve alotted with the project, and the compression. I’ll reread the first post to see which cut scenes you added back in.
In fact I’m honestly interested in this and Numeraljoker’s presentation.
As mentioned, I’ll still get the BDs of Seasons 1 through 6, more for the bonus features.
Already have Season 7 in 4K with HDR, 31.7GB, as shown in the order in the image below. Haven’t even watched it yet, but would be neat to watch your edit of Season 7 afterward.
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Thanks!

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You’re right that TCW uses a slightly abnormal aspect ratio, so it’s not ‘true’ 720p by that measure. But still, it’s perfectly sharp for the quality of the actual animation. I don’t think you’d really notice any difference, even on a large screen, which I watch on myself. The video doesn’t have any compression artefacts.

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Perhaps i‘ll work on an upscale for your episodes to 1080p-ish resolution, ut at first i‘ve to test which algorithm to use. If your interested eddie, i would keep you in the loop and share some screenshots from different settings?

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EddieDean said:

You’re right that TCW uses a slightly abnormal aspect ratio, so it’s not ‘true’ 720p by that measure. But still, it’s perfectly sharp for the quality of the actual animation. I don’t think you’d really notice any difference, even on a large screen, which I watch on myself. The video doesn’t have any compression artefacts.

I’m of the opinion aspect ratio and resolution aren’t necessarily the end thing. Have had too many non-anamorphic, for TVs, DVDs back in the day regarding 1.78:1 and greater. BUT, those were 480i/576i, not 480p/576p. Not HD of course but NTSC and PAL.
Still it’s nice THE CLONE WARS is featured in the 2.35:1/2.40:1 aspect ratio, same as the OT and PT.
Great project too.

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Seeing as how the bad batch really isn’t creating anything noteworthy and is mostly filler episodes, perhaps it can be repurposed as a sort of CODA to TCW? You could still use the batch itself as a vessel but instead on focusing on their misadventures make it more about the transformation of the republic into the empire and how that affects the clones.

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It’s an interesting thought. I feel like, ultimately, the Bad Batch hasn’t yet justified its own existence - much like TCW itself in the early seasons. The first season of Bad Batch might make a good movie, and later seasons might take it somewhere interesting, but it’s not exciting yet. I’m still seeing what I can do to support others’ edits there, but I don’t think it really belongs in the TCW family of content.

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