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David Lynch is up for doing a directors cut of Dune!!! — Page 2

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SpookyDollhouse said:

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I feel if this actually got off the ground he’d inevitably reconstruct his 4 hour cut as it was before Fox went in and did their own thing. Cuz as we know they pushed him around on set but he did what he could in the editing room before the top dogs went “nope.” I don’t think anything SFX would get changed really. Lynch isn’t super into that sort of thing to be honest.

Whilst I agree with your sentiments the fact of the matter is let’s take for instance I think it’s the 6th Draft after the Jamis fight. The Fremen with paul and Jessica set out from the rocks at dawn and go to “Sietch Tabar” chani points whilst they walk in the desert and says (sorry if there is spelling mistake) “Sietch Tabar” So this relies on having an image of this place which they may or may not have filmed. Although you could say ok don’t include the scene because we don’t have the fantastical location that does not exist. Of course it can be remedied by creating it. These sorts of films are like chicken and the egg. You can argue all day which one came first but the reality is that the egg needs the chicken just as much as the chicken needs the egg.

A Special effects film needs special effects constantly and consistantly especially one like Dune with blue eyes roto in on loads of shots but the actors and the performances are just as important. The World is important and that is something Dune did tremendously well with it’s production design.

I think the amount of work it probably would requite is daunting but at the same time it makes it much more plausible that people would want to have a go because it would be a challenge and that makes it more credible. A challenge is something that people can get behind.

It’s a beautiful film and exists how it is and doesn’t “need” anything visually redone to it. I stand by the notion that all Lynch would do is restore his initial cut and leave the rest be. He might request some minor seam corrections like what recently happened to Poltergeist but that’s all I’d realistically see. Everything else is do-it-cuz-we-can-current-year brand presentism tbh.

I don’t mind you havig that opinion at all.

Did you read the Ron Miller Article? Where he says that the effects budget was totally chopped down before they had even started shooting the effects scenes…

The physical shoot was all in the can. He was one of the main artists on the shoot.

He said that there are key effect scenes missing. That is his opinion and from his knowledge of being there. Do you think David Lynch would put the Blue eyes on the Fremen and stuff or just not bother?

I think he would but I’d like to know why you think he would not color in the Fremen eyes blue like he did before?

I myself looked at this problem previously regarding Ron Millers Comments and how to try and not CGI the film or as little as possible…

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0lJoQSDKPas/YTJqGvv5QTI/AAAAAAABppY/aJDUJ0J7vAAVaZunZShSmKCD7aQyGhKoQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1978/Dune-1984-concept-art-Ron-Miller-01-1978x799.jpg

Production art of Caladan

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Good Match by original Special effects artist Albert Whitlock from “The Island”

The Way West by Albert Whitlock

https://images.saymedia-content.com/.image/t_share/MTc2Mjk0ODAwNzc2MzczNDIx/albert-whitlock-hollywood-matte-artist.jpg

Creating Sietch Tabar

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/2091/3pvyixeomp8b929zg.jpg?size_id=a

These 2 I think were pretty good Ideas and it would retain the Albert Whitlock look whilst also creating shot’s that they may not have. I appreciate there could be rights issues over attempting something like this but I think it would be a better approach than CGI it’s a sort of pseudo CGI but for good reason and a good cause. Extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary measures. So It’s possible to do things without going down some horrible revisionary crusade and try to fill any blanks in a modest and more genuine fashion whilst retaining the look of the original film.

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/178c/ayp9e4qth16qch8zg.jpg?size_id=5

This Ron Miller painting may have been the “Weather… See Storms” visual for the film book. I’m not sure but it would have been better with that I feel.

The Key Special effects… I don’t know what they are exactly but I have a strong feeling the Heighliners dissolving in simply as a transparent object is nothing like what Lynch had planned. I Believe that the Image of the Heighliner was to be projected on to a water tank and then you put a drop of water to disturb and distort the image until it settles. Then you take that footage and dissolve that blurred distorted Heighliner in with the water ripple effect over your matte painting of the destination. Thus creating or showing that displacement in time and space. There are shots in the film that do use this technique it simply was not applied to the Heighliner arriving at Arrakis.

Let’s look at the trip to Arrakis in more detail…

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Here we can clearly see what Caladan was to look like.

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Here is the Original Painting from the film book.

So looking at the film this does not look correct at all in terms of Color.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/gVEQRj_WJG4/maxresdefault.jpg

It’s almost as if that is also Arrakis in the background and if you were to travel without moving you would change everything around the Heighliner without touching the Matte painting of the Heighliner. So the one constant would be the tube like ship and everything else changes around it? Can you see what I mean it sort of feels like the whole way this sequence works is incorrect. It’s still lovely in it’s own right but I could see potentially a numerous different ways that this could of or should have gone.

Either the ship is the dissolving distorted object if you are at the location and it is arriving or if you “travel without moving” then all of the exterior planet elements distort and dissolve so everything else changes around the Heighliner vessel ship.

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https://textualvariations.substack.com/p/lynch-dune-4hourcut

This is a very interesting article on the history of the many cut’s of Dune and the Unrealised and unknown Directors cut.

https://www.thepropgallery.com/dune-john-dykstras-visual-effects-breakdown-binder

Apogee (John Dykstra) production binder before they left the production and another Effects house Van der Veer took over

https://www.thepropgallery.com/dune-apogee-production-used-storyboards

Found the story board for Keynes (Max Von Sydow) death scene spice blow perhaps this was to go with the water of life from the baby worm scenes?

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/dune-465-storyboards-copy-private-1820640753

This site also has many storyboards and some real interesting ones too. Angels seen in Pauls Dream. Jessica floating in the water. It shows the hole on the Heighliner was meant to be where the Navigator was to come out obviously missing effects on that one too. Paul Atreides puking Earth wind and fire. Navigators swarming Pauls face There is some fascinating stuff there.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExGnAHqWYAkVcvc.png

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Cool.
Is there a list with all unused scenes?

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benduwan said:

Cool.
Is there a list with all unused scenes?

No all we have are list of scenes in the script which may have been shot

There is also scenes that were shot not in the script such as the balliset scene in the extended version. Ron Miller has a copy mentioned earlier of final shooting script. This new useen footage scene was in the script however.

Key effect sequences are also missing according to Ron Miller.

I just had a realization this morning… The love scene and conception of Alia with Leto and Jessica in bed may have been a flashback… The scene starts with a corridor shot in the Arakeen palace. This would be placed prior to Duke Leto’s monologue “Jessica I should have marrried you…” before his death. The music for this scene is called “Leto’s theme” and is heard earlier when Leto talks to Paul on Caladan.