STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 REVISITED ADYWAN *1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION — Page 483

Bingowings said:

It’s difficult to visualise without some sort of pointer. But it sounds intriguing. I would love to see a rough cut of these ideas.

Hopefully by Christmas or January…

My Vimeo account has no space and that would be 20 odd minutes to resolve a macro edit like that.

You got fairly clear instructions if you want to have a go at that though.

Strange as this may sound I think I’m hearing a music cue for the death star blowing up at the end of Empire strikes back trailer.think it’s simply tie fighter attack music but certainly would be a good insert. It’s not in the score or any notes to my knowledge but then again neither is the short piece for when Han says good luck to Luke on Yavin that is totally not released it’s only found in the radio drama.

I’ve been working on my own fan edit and I came to the conclusion that while the new 2020 release is excellent in many ways, there are a few sections I had to replaced with the 2011 version and a few I had to go back to the original with the 4K77 version. Namely a lot of the cockpit shots in the Death Start Battle. Both the 2011 and 2020 have some extreme fading of some of the midtones that just can’t be fixed. Replacing them with the 4K77 version of the shot and color correcting the darker cockpit background brings a much more natural look.

Though for my ideal fan edit, I really need a few of your corrections to make it perfect. Any chance of your 1080p version being released in the near future?

Adywan, this my be seem out of the blue or random, but I’d just like to say for no reason at all, that (as I’m sure you know) not everyone appreciates you only for you window shopping suitablilty.
This is an Adywan appreciantion post. You’re great and you should be told that more.

Telion said:

This is an Adywan appreciantion post. You’re great and you should be told that more.

I’d like to second that. I still can’t believe my senses when I put Revisited on. Exceptional work and a thing of beauty.

I know it’s not likely to happen but at the rate the improvements of unreal engine 5 are going the imperfections are disappearing and it’s get harder to tell it’s fake and is making me wish the good cgi improvements in the original trilogy and even using the original 1983 version return of the Jedi’s musical number and just updating sly snootles with it. Plus update all the cgi including the characters with it but I know that’s not likely but still I never thought cgi would get to this point that the prequels and the original trilogy cgi could blend so well that it can now easily fool you.

Any thoughts about replacing that other actor next to Luke in the Briefing with Dennis Lawson? I found a good movie to use for a source.

@adywan someone told me if you have the hdr or Dolby vision metadata from the original trilogy it can be added to your fanedit but the only thing I wasn’t sure on was would your new footage complicate that or not just wondering. because if it doesn’t I’m surprised you and nobody knew about this I didn’t know about until yesterday.

Telion said:

Adywan, this my be seem out of the blue or random, but I’d just like to say for no reason at all, that (as I’m sure you know) not everyone appreciates you only for you window shopping suitablilty.
This is an Adywan appreciantion post. You’re great and you should be told that more.

Everyone has their own ideas about their perfect edit. Adywan’s purist edition is one of the best as it is the original cut with his fixes. He has made so many and spent so much time on the tools and skills that it would be hard to replicate everything. I just stuck to the 4 that bug me most and that was hard enough. I can edit, but such FX work is very difficult. I admire his skill and what he has produced and can’t wait to have his purist 1080p version in my collection. It probably will supplant the actual original cut, except when I’m feeling nostalgic.

doubleofive said:

That doesn’t sound physically possible.

on the uhd blu rays

Fullmetaled said:

@adywan someone told me if you have the hdr or Dolby vision metadata from the original trilogy it can be added to your fanedit but the only thing I wasn’t sure on was would your new footage complicate that or not just wondering. because if it doesn’t I’m surprised you and nobody knew about this I didn’t know about until yesterday.

HDR is really just a different way of encoding the colors. Before OLED and Laser Projectors, there was a range to blacks. It basically expands that range. Someone skilled at the conversion could take any of his changes and render those shots in HDR. The only way to get true HDR is to shoot it in HDR. All old film was not designed for that and it will be an approximation. Some films can be scanned from the Original Negative and glean out some extra data when scanned as HDR. The Star Wars films are heavy on FX which really limits things. The scans we have were not scanned with HDR in mind, but with 3D in mind. So converting Adywan’s edit could be just as good as the Lucasfilm HDR version.

At least the way I understand it. You can discuss the color space and all the technical details, but at the root you have to have an original image that is suitable for HDR. Other have done HDR conversions of non-HDR sources.

If anything, the 1080p version will be closer to purist in terms of timing (no extended scenes) and music choices (duel music being optional).

yotsuya said:

Fullmetaled said:

@adywan someone told me if you have the hdr or Dolby vision metadata from the original trilogy it can be added to your fanedit but the only thing I wasn’t sure on was would your new footage complicate that or not just wondering. because if it doesn’t I’m surprised you and nobody knew about this I didn’t know about until yesterday.

HDR is really just a different way of encoding the colors. Before OLED and Laser Projectors, there was a range to blacks. It basically expands that range. Someone skilled at the conversion could take any of his changes and render those shots in HDR. The only way to get true HDR is to shoot it in HDR. All old film was not designed for that and it will be an approximation. Some films can be scanned from the Original Negative and glean out some extra data when scanned as HDR. The Star Wars films are heavy on FX which really limits things. The scans we have were not scanned with HDR in mind, but with 3D in mind. So converting Adywan’s edit could be just as good as the Lucasfilm HDR version.

At least the way I understand it. You can discuss the color space and all the technical details, but at the root you have to have an original image that is suitable for HDR. Other have done HDR conversions of non-HDR sources.

So how can the lucasflim’s hdr grade be added to it then now I’m even more confused?

doubleofive said:

Fullmetaled said:

yotsuya said:

Fullmetaled said:

@adywan someone told me if you have the hdr or Dolby vision metadata from the original trilogy it can be added to your fanedit but the only thing I wasn’t sure on was would your new footage complicate that or not just wondering. because if it doesn’t I’m surprised you and nobody knew about this I didn’t know about until yesterday.

HDR is really just a different way of encoding the colors. Before OLED and Laser Projectors, there was a range to blacks. It basically expands that range. Someone skilled at the conversion could take any of his changes and render those shots in HDR. The only way to get true HDR is to shoot it in HDR. All old film was not designed for that and it will be an approximation. Some films can be scanned from the Original Negative and glean out some extra data when scanned as HDR. The Star Wars films are heavy on FX which really limits things. The scans we have were not scanned with HDR in mind, but with 3D in mind. So converting Adywan’s edit could be just as good as the Lucasfilm HDR version.

At least the way I understand it. You can discuss the color space and all the technical details, but at the root you have to have an original image that is suitable for HDR. Other have done HDR conversions of non-HDR sources.

So how can the lucasflim’s hdr grade be added to it then now I’m even more confused?

It can’t. Please stop.

This what someone said what are they talking about then? there are fanedits that copy/lift hdr metadata from one release and paste it on another is this true or is this person wrong?

Fullmetaled, I receive updates on this thread as I’m very interested in updates from Ady and the edit. However, I’m not interested in your quest for HDR. Ady’s stated multiple times now that there won’t be an HDR grade. We have no idea what you’re talking about, or who you’re talking about, or what they said, or anything of the sorts. It doesn’t matter whether or not it can be done, all that matters is that it won’t be, and you’ve been told that several times by more than one person, again, including Adywan himself. Please stop derailing the thread.

Fullmetaled said:

yotsuya said:

Fullmetaled said:

@adywan someone told me if you have the hdr or Dolby vision metadata from the original trilogy it can be added to your fanedit but the only thing I wasn’t sure on was would your new footage complicate that or not just wondering. because if it doesn’t I’m surprised you and nobody knew about this I didn’t know about until yesterday.

HDR is really just a different way of encoding the colors. Before OLED and Laser Projectors, there was a range to blacks. It basically expands that range. Someone skilled at the conversion could take any of his changes and render those shots in HDR. The only way to get true HDR is to shoot it in HDR. All old film was not designed for that and it will be an approximation. Some films can be scanned from the Original Negative and glean out some extra data when scanned as HDR. The Star Wars films are heavy on FX which really limits things. The scans we have were not scanned with HDR in mind, but with 3D in mind. So converting Adywan’s edit could be just as good as the Lucasfilm HDR version.

At least the way I understand it. You can discuss the color space and all the technical details, but at the root you have to have an original image that is suitable for HDR. Other have done HDR conversions of non-HDR sources.

So how can the lucasflim’s hdr grade be added to it then now I’m even more confused?

The Lucasfilm one could be emulated, but not added. It is a totally different color space and it would have to be converted back to HDR or edited in HDR. It is not a feature that you can just add. But like I said, there are some other projects that have applied an HDR conversion to a non-HDR source. I have no interest in HDR because I don’t think it add anything to older film sourced content. Nothing on film intended for a theater should have deep blacks. The original viewing is incapable of having deep blacks. The same with older TVs. Only the new laser and OLED can produce true blacks and HDR conversions of older sources are really an adaption to the new viewing abilities that allow for true blacks.

And I would point out that converting from and HDR source to SDR for editing and then back to HDR will likely produce some data loss, though SDR has a unique flaw that can preserve some of the darker tones even if you can’t see them when you view it. Because the darkest black an SDR TV can display is 16 where our computer monitors go down to 0.

RGB TV color space is 16-235 or 10,648,000 colors (Color TV’s from the dawn of the tech to the latest flat screen SDR)
RGB Computer Monitor color space is 0-255 or 16,777,216 colors
HDR 10 color space is 0-1024 or 1,073,741,824 colors (HDR Blue-rays and TV’s)
HDR 12 color space is 0-4096 or 68,719,476,736 colors (Dolby Vision)
And then you have RGB 16 available in many photo editing suites (but I’m not going to calculate that out)

The key takeaway of this is that no SDR source can reproduce all those colors accurately when converted. BUT, that one area where you can gain is in the colors that are buried in SDR from 0-15 and 236-255. And how HDR displays thing is totally different so you can take advantage of data that you can see on your computer that isn’t visible on an SDR display. Also when you manipulate the video (color correction or other changes) you create variations that can be better captured by the more advanced encoding to preserve more of the image data. So while you can’t actually increase the quality of the image, moving from SDR to HDR could preserve more of the source that is lost when you re-encode to SDR. Also, HDR allows for tighter compression so those huge color pallet numbers have more room for loss and still produce a higher quality image. So not only do you gain darker blacks and brighter whites, but you gain the ability for higher compression and and more steps of detail. It is still RGB, but instead of 220 colors per channel, you jump to 1024 colors per channel (Before compression). So outputting a project to HDR instead of SDR can’t improve the source material, but it will lead to less loss of image quality and have the ability to have more dark and light details revealed that may be muddied otherwise. One of the things that often leads to errors (crushed blacks) is the change from computer to TV SDR, and that doesn’t exist in HDR.

I have a lot of experience with this in graphics and photos. Increasing the colors doesn’t increase what you have, but it does preserve more of what you have. And in the case of HDR, there are distinct advantages to the improved display that can increase the perceived image quality.

Omni said:

Fullmetaled, I receive updates on this thread as I’m very interested in updates from Ady and the edit. However, I’m not interested in your quest for HDR. Ady’s stated multiple times now that there won’t be an HDR grade. We have no idea what you’re talking about, or who you’re talking about, or what they said, or anything of the sorts. It doesn’t matter whether or not it can be done, all that matters is that it won’t be, and you’ve been told that several times by more than one person, again, including Adywan himself. Please stop derailing the thread.

Ah, but it is a useful discussion to understand what HDR really is. And yes, Andywan himself from his source files would be the only way to really get any useful HDR so if he has no interest (and I really don’t see the benefits since Star Wars was shot on film and is better suited to SDR due to the nature of most of the shots) then it is an academic conversation (at least on my part).

I believe that to an project like this and utilize the original HDR metadata, that your editing suite would have to import it that data, you edit the project and then it would have to generate new metadata (which I believe is encoded into the video) for the output. Similarly, if you are using something capable of it, you can have a project that was originally intended for SDR but output an HDR. It depends on the software what you need to do to achieve that, but I’ve seen several tutorial videos that show just how easy it can be (or hard in some cases, but still doable). But converting to HDR is far more than just copying the metadata.

yotsuya said:

Omni said:

Fullmetaled, I receive updates on this thread as I’m very interested in updates from Ady and the edit. However, I’m not interested in your quest for HDR. Ady’s stated multiple times now that there won’t be an HDR grade. We have no idea what you’re talking about, or who you’re talking about, or what they said, or anything of the sorts. It doesn’t matter whether or not it can be done, all that matters is that it won’t be, and you’ve been told that several times by more than one person, again, including Adywan himself. Please stop derailing the thread.

Ah, but it is a useful discussion to understand what HDR really is. And yes, Andywan himself from his source files would be the only way to really get any useful HDR so if he has no interest (and I really don’t see the benefits since Star Wars was shot on film and is better suited to SDR due to the nature of most of the shots) then it is an academic conversation (at least on my part).

I believe that to an project like this and utilize the original HDR metadata, that your editing suite would have to import it that data, you edit the project and then it would have to generate new metadata (which I believe is encoded into the video) for the output. Similarly, if you are using something capable of it, you can have a project that was originally intended for SDR but output an HDR. It depends on the software what you need to do to achieve that, but I’ve seen several tutorial videos that show just how easy it can be (or hard in some cases, but still doable). But converting to HDR is far more than just copying the metadata.

So it doesn’t give you what was shown in theaters but better it’s more that it’s altering the picture with some films. I didn’t know that the way it was described it was get the colors that were in the actual film to be show on disc for the first time. now I’m hearing the opposite wow now I’m even more confused about what the purpose of hdr is.

Fullmetaled said:

yotsuya said:

Omni said:

Fullmetaled, I receive updates on this thread as I’m very interested in updates from Ady and the edit. However, I’m not interested in your quest for HDR. Ady’s stated multiple times now that there won’t be an HDR grade. We have no idea what you’re talking about, or who you’re talking about, or what they said, or anything of the sorts. It doesn’t matter whether or not it can be done, all that matters is that it won’t be, and you’ve been told that several times by more than one person, again, including Adywan himself. Please stop derailing the thread.

Ah, but it is a useful discussion to understand what HDR really is. And yes, Andywan himself from his source files would be the only way to really get any useful HDR so if he has no interest (and I really don’t see the benefits since Star Wars was shot on film and is better suited to SDR due to the nature of most of the shots) then it is an academic conversation (at least on my part).

I believe that to an project like this and utilize the original HDR metadata, that your editing suite would have to import it that data, you edit the project and then it would have to generate new metadata (which I believe is encoded into the video) for the output. Similarly, if you are using something capable of it, you can have a project that was originally intended for SDR but output an HDR. It depends on the software what you need to do to achieve that, but I’ve seen several tutorial videos that show just how easy it can be (or hard in some cases, but still doable). But converting to HDR is far more than just copying the metadata.

So it doesn’t give you what was shown in theaters but better it’s more that it’s altering the picture with some films. I didn’t know that the way it was described it was get the colors that were in the actual film to be show on disc for the first time. now I’m hearing the opposite wow now I’m even more confused about what the purpose of hdr is.

Don’t confuse the level of colors and color space with color correction or color grading. Those are totally separate. I could get into a long winded explanation, but HDR does not magically make something look like it did in theaters. HDR is intended to take advantage of the higher dynamic range of modern TV’s and projectors that can deliver deeper blacks than SDR screen or film projection ever could. If you want to see what was shown in theaters, get the 4K77, 4K80, or 4K83 versions. Those are the most true to the original run and they are SDR. The Lucasfilm color grades have issues (the 2019 version less so than the 2011 version).

Prior to HDR, blacks were always grays. You cannot get true black when you use film pigments or LCD pixels to block out the light (and even less so on an old CRT). It will always be gray. HDR is for the OLED and laser projectors where the black is a complete absence of light. OLED screens have actual lighted pixel LED’s so when they are set to 0,0,0 black, they generate zero light. The same with the laser projectors. For pixels set to 0,0,0 black, they project no light for that pixel. So HDR’s real power is in showing those darker details. That can make a night scene pop in a dark theater by adding levels of darkness never before experienced. It also has more color depth so the color gradients are smoother with less possibility of noticeable color halos. When you add in compression, HDR will not show the same compression artifacts so the image will be closer to the original uncompressed image. HDR does not magically make a movie closer to the original. You have to know where its strengths are and edit accordingly. From what I’ve seen of how Star War has been delivered in HDR, the SDR masters have been faithfully converted, but there is not much difference between the 4k HDR and the HD SDR versions. If anything, OTEEDEE’s D+ version looks better and it is SDR. HDR is just a tool to take advantage of new tech and where applicable make older movies look their best, though few can truly take advantage unless the negatives are scanned in HDR and any flaws edited out.

yotsuya said:

Fullmetaled said:

yotsuya said:

Omni said:

Fullmetaled, I receive updates on this thread as I’m very interested in updates from Ady and the edit. However, I’m not interested in your quest for HDR. Ady’s stated multiple times now that there won’t be an HDR grade. We have no idea what you’re talking about, or who you’re talking about, or what they said, or anything of the sorts. It doesn’t matter whether or not it can be done, all that matters is that it won’t be, and you’ve been told that several times by more than one person, again, including Adywan himself. Please stop derailing the thread.

Ah, but it is a useful discussion to understand what HDR really is. And yes, Andywan himself from his source files would be the only way to really get any useful HDR so if he has no interest (and I really don’t see the benefits since Star Wars was shot on film and is better suited to SDR due to the nature of most of the shots) then it is an academic conversation (at least on my part).

I believe that to an project like this and utilize the original HDR metadata, that your editing suite would have to import it that data, you edit the project and then it would have to generate new metadata (which I believe is encoded into the video) for the output. Similarly, if you are using something capable of it, you can have a project that was originally intended for SDR but output an HDR. It depends on the software what you need to do to achieve that, but I’ve seen several tutorial videos that show just how easy it can be (or hard in some cases, but still doable). But converting to HDR is far more than just copying the metadata.

So it doesn’t give you what was shown in theaters but better it’s more that it’s altering the picture with some films. I didn’t know that the way it was described it was get the colors that were in the actual film to be show on disc for the first time. now I’m hearing the opposite wow now I’m even more confused about what the purpose of hdr is.

Don’t confuse the level of colors and color space with color correction or color grading. Those are totally separate. I could get into a long winded explanation, but HDR does not magically make something look like it did in theaters. HDR is intended to take advantage of the higher dynamic range of modern TV’s and projectors that can deliver deeper blacks than SDR screen or film projection ever could. If you want to see what was shown in theaters, get the 4K77, 4K80, or 4K83 versions. Those are the most true to the original run and they are SDR. The Lucasfilm color grades have issues (the 2019 version less so than the 2011 version).

Prior to HDR, blacks were always grays. You cannot get true black when you use film pigments or LCD pixels to block out the light (and even less so on an old CRT). It will always be gray. HDR is for the OLED and laser projectors where the black is a complete absence of light. OLED screens have actual lighted pixel LED’s so when they are set to 0,0,0 black, they generate zero light. The same with the laser projectors. For pixels set to 0,0,0 black, they project no light for that pixel. So HDR’s real power is in showing those darker details. That can make a night scene pop in a dark theater by adding levels of darkness never before experienced. It also has more color depth so the color gradients are smoother with less possibility of noticeable color halos. When you add in compression, HDR will not show the same compression artifacts so the image will be closer to the original uncompressed image. HDR does not magically make a movie closer to the original. You have to know where its strengths are and edit accordingly. From what I’ve seen of how Star War has been delivered in HDR, the SDR masters have been faithfully converted, but there is not much difference between the 4k HDR and the HD SDR versions. If anything, OTEEDEE’s D+ version looks better and it is SDR. HDR is just a tool to take advantage of new tech and where applicable make older movies look their best, though few can truly take advantage unless the negatives are scanned in HDR and any flaws edited out.

So your saying in the case of the original trilogy hdr even a proper new hdr or Dolby vision scan wouldn’t add anything to it and would be pointless brightness black levels Etc.

Fullmetaled said:

yotsuya said:

Fullmetaled said:

yotsuya said:

Omni said:

Fullmetaled, I receive updates on this thread as I’m very interested in updates from Ady and the edit. However, I’m not interested in your quest for HDR. Ady’s stated multiple times now that there won’t be an HDR grade. We have no idea what you’re talking about, or who you’re talking about, or what they said, or anything of the sorts. It doesn’t matter whether or not it can be done, all that matters is that it won’t be, and you’ve been told that several times by more than one person, again, including Adywan himself. Please stop derailing the thread.

Ah, but it is a useful discussion to understand what HDR really is. And yes, Andywan himself from his source files would be the only way to really get any useful HDR so if he has no interest (and I really don’t see the benefits since Star Wars was shot on film and is better suited to SDR due to the nature of most of the shots) then it is an academic conversation (at least on my part).

I believe that to an project like this and utilize the original HDR metadata, that your editing suite would have to import it that data, you edit the project and then it would have to generate new metadata (which I believe is encoded into the video) for the output. Similarly, if you are using something capable of it, you can have a project that was originally intended for SDR but output an HDR. It depends on the software what you need to do to achieve that, but I’ve seen several tutorial videos that show just how easy it can be (or hard in some cases, but still doable). But converting to HDR is far more than just copying the metadata.

So it doesn’t give you what was shown in theaters but better it’s more that it’s altering the picture with some films. I didn’t know that the way it was described it was get the colors that were in the actual film to be show on disc for the first time. now I’m hearing the opposite wow now I’m even more confused about what the purpose of hdr is.

Don’t confuse the level of colors and color space with color correction or color grading. Those are totally separate. I could get into a long winded explanation, but HDR does not magically make something look like it did in theaters. HDR is intended to take advantage of the higher dynamic range of modern TV’s and projectors that can deliver deeper blacks than SDR screen or film projection ever could. If you want to see what was shown in theaters, get the 4K77, 4K80, or 4K83 versions. Those are the most true to the original run and they are SDR. The Lucasfilm color grades have issues (the 2019 version less so than the 2011 version).

Prior to HDR, blacks were always grays. You cannot get true black when you use film pigments or LCD pixels to block out the light (and even less so on an old CRT). It will always be gray. HDR is for the OLED and laser projectors where the black is a complete absence of light. OLED screens have actual lighted pixel LED’s so when they are set to 0,0,0 black, they generate zero light. The same with the laser projectors. For pixels set to 0,0,0 black, they project no light for that pixel. So HDR’s real power is in showing those darker details. That can make a night scene pop in a dark theater by adding levels of darkness never before experienced. It also has more color depth so the color gradients are smoother with less possibility of noticeable color halos. When you add in compression, HDR will not show the same compression artifacts so the image will be closer to the original uncompressed image. HDR does not magically make a movie closer to the original. You have to know where its strengths are and edit accordingly. From what I’ve seen of how Star War has been delivered in HDR, the SDR masters have been faithfully converted, but there is not much difference between the 4k HDR and the HD SDR versions. If anything, OTEEDEE’s D+ version looks better and it is SDR. HDR is just a tool to take advantage of new tech and where applicable make older movies look their best, though few can truly take advantage unless the negatives are scanned in HDR and any flaws edited out.

So your saying in the case of the original trilogy hdr even a proper new hdr or Dolby vision scan wouldn’t add anything to it and would be pointless brightness black levels Etc.

That all depends on the effort put into it and how much you can pull out of the negatives. From all the scans of those films, there isn’t likely to be any improvements. The current release appears to be using HDR to improve the colors and clarity, but doesn’t have more detail in the shadows.

yotsuya said:

Fullmetaled said:

yotsuya said:

Fullmetaled said:

yotsuya said:

Omni said:

Fullmetaled, I receive updates on this thread as I’m very interested in updates from Ady and the edit. However, I’m not interested in your quest for HDR. Ady’s stated multiple times now that there won’t be an HDR grade. We have no idea what you’re talking about, or who you’re talking about, or what they said, or anything of the sorts. It doesn’t matter whether or not it can be done, all that matters is that it won’t be, and you’ve been told that several times by more than one person, again, including Adywan himself. Please stop derailing the thread.

Ah, but it is a useful discussion to understand what HDR really is. And yes, Andywan himself from his source files would be the only way to really get any useful HDR so if he has no interest (and I really don’t see the benefits since Star Wars was shot on film and is better suited to SDR due to the nature of most of the shots) then it is an academic conversation (at least on my part).

I believe that to an project like this and utilize the original HDR metadata, that your editing suite would have to import it that data, you edit the project and then it would have to generate new metadata (which I believe is encoded into the video) for the output. Similarly, if you are using something capable of it, you can have a project that was originally intended for SDR but output an HDR. It depends on the software what you need to do to achieve that, but I’ve seen several tutorial videos that show just how easy it can be (or hard in some cases, but still doable). But converting to HDR is far more than just copying the metadata.

So it doesn’t give you what was shown in theaters but better it’s more that it’s altering the picture with some films. I didn’t know that the way it was described it was get the colors that were in the actual film to be show on disc for the first time. now I’m hearing the opposite wow now I’m even more confused about what the purpose of hdr is.

Don’t confuse the level of colors and color space with color correction or color grading. Those are totally separate. I could get into a long winded explanation, but HDR does not magically make something look like it did in theaters. HDR is intended to take advantage of the higher dynamic range of modern TV’s and projectors that can deliver deeper blacks than SDR screen or film projection ever could. If you want to see what was shown in theaters, get the 4K77, 4K80, or 4K83 versions. Those are the most true to the original run and they are SDR. The Lucasfilm color grades have issues (the 2019 version less so than the 2011 version).

Prior to HDR, blacks were always grays. You cannot get true black when you use film pigments or LCD pixels to block out the light (and even less so on an old CRT). It will always be gray. HDR is for the OLED and laser projectors where the black is a complete absence of light. OLED screens have actual lighted pixel LED’s so when they are set to 0,0,0 black, they generate zero light. The same with the laser projectors. For pixels set to 0,0,0 black, they project no light for that pixel. So HDR’s real power is in showing those darker details. That can make a night scene pop in a dark theater by adding levels of darkness never before experienced. It also has more color depth so the color gradients are smoother with less possibility of noticeable color halos. When you add in compression, HDR will not show the same compression artifacts so the image will be closer to the original uncompressed image. HDR does not magically make a movie closer to the original. You have to know where its strengths are and edit accordingly. From what I’ve seen of how Star War has been delivered in HDR, the SDR masters have been faithfully converted, but there is not much difference between the 4k HDR and the HD SDR versions. If anything, OTEEDEE’s D+ version looks better and it is SDR. HDR is just a tool to take advantage of new tech and where applicable make older movies look their best, though few can truly take advantage unless the negatives are scanned in HDR and any flaws edited out.

So your saying in the case of the original trilogy hdr even a proper new hdr or Dolby vision scan wouldn’t add anything to it and would be pointless brightness black levels Etc.

That all depends on the effort put into it and how much you can pull out of the negatives. From all the scans of those films, there isn’t likely to be any improvements. The current release appears to be using HDR to improve the colors and clarity, but doesn’t have more detail in the shadows.

But with adywan’s release your getting better than that making hdr pointless is what your saying when it comes to his version of the original Star Wars trilogy.