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Firecracker00 said:
I never knew that they couldn’t film at the place where the lake is, strange I don’t recall hearing this on any JP documentary of behind the scene.

Do you know where these open matte versions have come from, how do people get hold of these which won’t be released on any home video copy?

They couldn’t film inside the ranch as it was private property and the owner did not allow. So, they took a still photo and animated it digitally. If you have the ‘Beyond Jurassic Park’ DVD or the Trilogy Blu-ray, then you’ll find a documentary on the VFX of the trilogy where this information is available.

If you search with the right keywords, I think you can find it. As for a legal copy, the open matte versions of Jurassic Park 1, 2 and 3 are available as “Fullscreen” DVDs from Universal home video. They are not fully open matte though. The matted shots are panned and scanned as per the available image area.

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Papai2013 said:

Firecracker00 said:
I never knew that they couldn’t film at the place where the lake is, strange I don’t recall hearing this on any JP documentary of behind the scene.

Do you know where these open matte versions have come from, how do people get hold of these which won’t be released on any home video copy?

They couldn’t film inside the ranch as it was private property and the owner did not allow. So, they took a still photo and animated it digitally. If you have the ‘Beyond Jurassic Park’ DVD or the Trilogy Blu-ray, then you’ll find a documentary on the VFX of the trilogy where this information is available.

If you search with the right keywords, I think you can find it. As for a legal copy, the open matte versions of Jurassic Park 1, 2 and 3 are available as “Fullscreen” DVDs from Universal home video. They are not fully open matte though. The matted shots are panned and scanned as per the available image area.

Well from the above programme I mentioned, the presenter talks to the ranch owner about the filming of the waterfall descent scene with the helicopter, which he says was on private property. I did download the full open matte, but the file seems to be very large and doesn’t play well on my laptop, probably easier to convert it to a DVD .TS file but will obviously lose some quality. I did see a few more open mattes, one of Titanic but these weren’t on MySpleen as I don’t know how to access those.

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In May, I donated $20 USD.
In June, I donated $20 USD.
In July, I donated $29 USD.

NICE.

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$69 USD was from May through July. This month I donated $26 USD. Glad to have donated $95 USD total.
Most excellent!

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Just donated for the second time.
#FREETHEDINO

My spoon is too big

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DONATED (as of 2022/08/07): 2,876$

WE ARE 124$ AWAY FROM FINISHING THIS!!

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Just let me know if you need more money for this project to get the final result, I’ll be there.

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Wow JP is my favorite series, will any further funding help. I would love to help out if possible.

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They haven’t scanned JP1 yet, but it’s being scanned in a very different way to much higher quality. That said Retrofilm looks like they’ve improved the quality of their scanner based on that clip which is wonderful, it’s also a real-time scanner so it scans very fast compared with how these ones are being scanned.

[ Scanning stuff since 2015 ]

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RU.08 said:

They haven’t scanned JP1 yet, but it’s being scanned in a very different way to much higher quality. That said Retrofilm looks like they’ve improved the quality of their scanner based on that clip which is wonderful, it’s also a real-time scanner so it scans very fast compared with how these ones are being scanned.

How much more superior is it going to look compared to the uhd?

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Fullmetaled said:

RU.08 said:

They haven’t scanned JP1 yet, but it’s being scanned in a very different way to much higher quality. That said Retrofilm looks like they’ve improved the quality of their scanner based on that clip which is wonderful, it’s also a real-time scanner so it scans very fast compared with how these ones are being scanned.

How much more superior is it going to look compared to the uhd?

That’s a far older transfer and only worth it for the bonus features. The 35mm will be much superior overall. 4K HDR10 or whichever soon, eventually.

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Fullmetaled said:

How much more superior is it going to look compared to the uhd?

It won’t look better, it’ll just be a more faithful to how the print looks (virtually identical to the print if you were making a 4K DCP from the scan and projecting it in a cinema).

[ Scanning stuff since 2015 ]

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RU.08 said:

Fullmetaled said:

How much more superior is it going to look compared to the uhd?

It won’t look better, it’ll just be a more faithful to how the print looks (virtually identical to the print if you were making a 4K DCP from the scan and projecting it in a cinema).

You should really let TGR97 respond to this.

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SpookyDollhouse said:

Higher color gamut alone would benefit it and HDR would be icing on the cake.

Film doesn’t have a “colour gamut”, it’s basically got intensity of reds, greens, and blues which is represented by each corresponding resistive dye layer (magenta blocks green etc). Film has a bit_ more in the reds and oranges and a little bit more in cyan blue and yellow compared with Rec709, but that’s it:

I’d actually say that is quite a bit more in the red than it seems like on the charts though. That tiny part makes a decent bit of difference to the eye. What seems like a tiny extension for that and also for typical wide gamut photo editing monitors in red/orange is actually really quite noticeable when dealing with flowers, sunsets, fall foliage, red sports cars, 80s type clothes, etc.

I’d also say film has a gamut, it’s just of a different form than the ones usually encountered in digital since it doesn’t have the base slice a perfect triangle and it’s shape and volume are more strange than typical in digital and it’s strict shape isn’t defined by three simple primaries, you need more if you want to minimally encompass it (but you can use three, you will then also end up having to include some parts beyond the film’s gamut so it’s no longer minimal but that doesn’t really matter), etc. Digital wide gamut also tends to add a lot of extensions of ability to saturate really bright parts of scenes while film tends to most of it’s wide gamut extensions more in darker and mid-tones and not so much in really bright parts.

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Papai2013 said:

Fullmetaled said:

@RU.08 are you going to give both Jurassic park and Jurassic park 3 a hdr/Dolby vision grade so the awful uhd blu ray can be retired to the dust bin of garbage video transfers?

I don’t think there is any need for a Dolby Vision or HDR grade to create colour that closely matches the prints. There was no Dolby Vision or HDR in 2001 or a decade from then.

I believe that 8bit SDR doesn’t quite capture what many theatrical prints deliver and certainly not what original camera negatives can. So you actually do need HDR, even if only maybe just a modest bit, to match film ideally. You also need wide gamut color, something beyond REC709 primaries (at least for some films, it depends, of course, if something is all dusty tan and gray, it won’t make a difference, if it has intense deep yellows, reds, etc. without going to wide gamut color you will clip away some of the original colors).

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It will be interesting to see what the colors end up like for JP on this project here.

I have a JP print in hand (which I am running another 4k project for, see other thread) and I can say that the earlier (nothing to do with the new 4k project this thread is about, talking about the original JP 35mm project done in HD) 1080P project versions 1 and 2 (assuming my copies didn’t get messed with and re-encoded in wrong colorspace or something and are the proper original files for the project) colors definitely do not match what I see on the print I have. There is definitely more saturation on the actual print (at least on the particular print I have access to at the moment) and the colors are a different tint, pretty noticeably so. I will also say that the colors are a bit different than I expected. The yellow and red on the jeep are not quite as ultra-saturated as I expected and the red is a touch different shade than expected, although a good bit moreso than on the 1080P original project files I have, and a lot of the vegetation isn’t a rich green but more of a bit kinda yellowish less greeny green (the old project has that too, just even a good deal moreso less saturated for the red on the truck and pink shirts and the green, while also not deep, rich greeny green, is tinted a different way and a bit different than what I see on the print on hand). I don’t know if the print I have on hand even has full richness or not. It seems decent, but I’m not sure it’s quite a week one print. But hard to say, I only did see JP in 35mm back in '93 and only digital ever since so I really don’t remember that sort of detail. After prints get shown a lot, they tend to lose a bit of contrast and saturation and the highlights and brights sometimes get more blown out and run together in a weird way, from what I recall from the 35mm projection days, when you’d often see quite a change from first week or showings to showings a month or two later if they never got a new print. Anyway, the one I have in hand, all the same, still might be richer and less faded than the one scanned for the 1080P project (assuming it’s not just the scanner used or the grading making the difference, which could be). Whatever the reason, the 1080P original project looks a bit dull and faded and with somewhat different tint to colors compared to the tiny bit of the 35mm print I have in hand I just peeked at. It’s really a fair amount different. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this print and it’s project end up comparing to mine as well as to the original 1080P project.

I compared on a D56 high CRI lightbox directly next to monitor showing the two earlier 1080P project scan .mkv files. Not sure if it is because the print they used was more faded out or maybe processed differently in the film lab or the way the scan got done or graded. The files almost have a look like they were made in P3 or something but treated like they were REC709 primaries sort of deal, but it might just be the particular print, the scanning or grading. (that said still all props to the original 1080P JP project, there’s a lot great about it!)

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MonkeyLizard10 said:

It will be interesting to see what the colors end up like for JP on this project here.

I have a JP print in hand (which I am running another 4k project for, see other thread) and I can say that the earlier (nothing to do with the new 4k project this thread is about, talking about the original JP 35mm project done in HD) 1080P project versions 1 and 2 (assuming my copies didn’t get messed with and re-encoded in wrong colorspace or something and are the proper original files for the project) colors definitely do not match what I see on the print I have. There is definitely more saturation on the actual print (at least on the particular print I have access to at the moment) and the colors are a different tint, pretty noticeably so. I will also say that the colors are a bit different than I expected. The yellow and red on the jeep are not quite as ultra-saturated as I expected and the red is a touch different shade than expected, although a good bit moreso than on the 1080P original project files I have, and a lot of the vegetation isn’t a rich green but more of a bit kinda yellowish less greeny green (the old project has that too, just even a good deal moreso less saturated for the red on the truck and pink shirts and the green, while also not deep, rich greeny green, is tinted a different way and a bit different than what I see on the print on hand). I don’t know if the print I have on hand even has full richness or not. It seems decent, but I’m not sure it’s quite a week one print. But hard to say, I only did see JP in 35mm back in '93 and only digital ever since so I really don’t remember that sort of detail. After prints get shown a lot, they tend to lose a bit of contrast and saturation and the highlights and brights sometimes get more blown out and run together in a weird way, from what I recall from the 35mm projection days, when you’d often see quite a change from first week or showings to showings a month or two later if they never got a new print. Anyway, the one I have in hand, all the same, still might be richer and less faded than the one scanned for the 1080P project (assuming it’s not just the scanner used or the grading making the difference, which could be). Whatever the reason, the 1080P original project looks a bit dull and faded and with somewhat different tint to colors compared to the tiny bit of the 35mm print I have in hand I just peeked at. It’s really a fair amount different. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this print and it’s project end up comparing to mine as well as to the original 1080P project.

I compared on a D56 high CRI lightbox directly next to monitor showing the two earlier 1080P project scan .mkv files. Not sure if it is because the print they used was more faded out or maybe processed differently in the film lab or the way the scan got done or graded. The files almost have a look like they were made in P3 or something but treated like they were REC709 primaries sort of deal, but it might just be the particular print, the scanning or grading. (that said still all props to the original 1080P JP project, there’s a lot great about it!)

How does this scanned clip compare to your print?

https://youtu.be/PRmnC1kHOs0

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sebkarlbjork said:

MonkeyLizard10 said:

It will be interesting to see what the colors end up like for JP on this project here.

I have a JP print in hand (which I am running another 4k project for, see other thread) and I can say that the earlier (nothing to do with the new 4k project this thread is about, talking about the original JP 35mm project done in HD) 1080P project versions 1 and 2 (assuming my copies didn’t get messed with and re-encoded in wrong colorspace or something and are the proper original files for the project) colors definitely do not match what I see on the print I have. There is definitely more saturation on the actual print (at least on the particular print I have access to at the moment) and the colors are a different tint, pretty noticeably so. I will also say that the colors are a bit different than I expected. The yellow and red on the jeep are not quite as ultra-saturated as I expected and the red is a touch different shade than expected, although a good bit moreso than on the 1080P original project files I have, and a lot of the vegetation isn’t a rich green but more of a bit kinda yellowish less greeny green (the old project has that too, just even a good deal moreso less saturated for the red on the truck and pink shirts and the green, while also not deep, rich greeny green, is tinted a different way and a bit different than what I see on the print on hand). I don’t know if the print I have on hand even has full richness or not. It seems decent, but I’m not sure it’s quite a week one print. But hard to say, I only did see JP in 35mm back in '93 and only digital ever since so I really don’t remember that sort of detail. After prints get shown a lot, they tend to lose a bit of contrast and saturation and the highlights and brights sometimes get more blown out and run together in a weird way, from what I recall from the 35mm projection days, when you’d often see quite a change from first week or showings to showings a month or two later if they never got a new print. Anyway, the one I have in hand, all the same, still might be richer and less faded than the one scanned for the 1080P project (assuming it’s not just the scanner used or the grading making the difference, which could be). Whatever the reason, the 1080P original project looks a bit dull and faded and with somewhat different tint to colors compared to the tiny bit of the 35mm print I have in hand I just peeked at. It’s really a fair amount different. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this print and it’s project end up comparing to mine as well as to the original 1080P project.

I compared on a D56 high CRI lightbox directly next to monitor showing the two earlier 1080P project scan .mkv files. Not sure if it is because the print they used was more faded out or maybe processed differently in the film lab or the way the scan got done or graded. The files almost have a look like they were made in P3 or something but treated like they were REC709 primaries sort of deal, but it might just be the particular print, the scanning or grading. (that said still all props to the original 1080P JP project, there’s a lot great about it!)

How does this scanned clip compare to your print?

https://youtu.be/PRmnC1kHOs0

You should ask in that persons thread instead of this one. https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Jurassic-Park-35mm-historical-preservation-project-WIP-earliest-stage/id/100179