Ronster said:

Commander Bast and Vader Sound Restored.

Thanks for sharing these links…downloading the first one currently and will take a look in a few

this second link below does not seem to work for me?

https://www.mediafire.com/file/t6xpgmoain98zwe/Vader_and_Bast_MOs_Eisley.mp4/file

It works for me…

Let me know if it won’t download I’ll find another method to get it over to you.

I’d like your feedback… I think the first attempt is the better option. The Script version is clunky and disorganized IMO.

The amount of times I have been on a job, and someone says go by the drawing but the drawing does not adhere to reality. That is the script in a nutshell. It’s a guide and a plan but not the be all and end all or final say. If you don’t get the link DM me and I will pass it over another way.

I suppose the real factor at play is that Mos Eisley version has no Transition in music no music for the scene and no transition out music… All in all a real dog’s breakfast to try and make it work…

kg1977 said:

Ronster said:

this second link below does not seem to work for me?

https://www.mediafire.com/file/t6xpgmoain98zwe/Vader_and_Bast_MOs_Eisley.mp4/file

me too…
said: “Star Wars: A New Hope” by N/A may be available for download from Amazon.

Ok I re-upped it as a much shorter clip link below.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/dyh4ovojamgv2fy/Darth_Vader_and_Bast_Mos_Eisley.mp4/file

The reason I made it longer was because I did not want people just to focus on the edit on it’s own but take into account the scene prior where they decide to go off to Alderaan and test the death star. This is what throws the scene into being nonsensical IMO especially Basts comment about Tarkins Foolish plan. So I would ask you watch it with that prior scene in mind and think about what has come before.

When you include this scene It’s pretty Clear that Bast is Talking about the mind probe and not going to Alderaan to “Break her” especially as Vaders undubbed lines also reference the mind probe and not going to Alderaan.

So the other thing is transition out of the scene requires an establishing shot… Vs the scene done at the Sandcrawler the wipe from Vader and Bast to the Sandcrawler seem like they are a perfect match and that transition means something it tells a story.

Anyway hopefully this time it will work.

My feeling is to finalize the soundmix and edit to conform it to the Sandcrawler scene and finalize. It’s practical reality that making a Scene that works vs scene that does not wins out IMO.

EDIT

R2D2 In the Canyon Music and a deleted shot Restored

https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/763806822/privacy

Footage Re-arranged
1 x shot unreversed footage
Cut shot that is R2D2 in the other Canyon when he goes to look for Obiwan
Sound effects at start slightly re-timed
Inserted missing binary Sunset shot referenced in the script to fix the jump cut
Music Restored

Ronster said:

Ok I re-upped it as a much shorter clip link below.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/dyh4ovojamgv2fy/Darth_Vader_and_Bast_Mos_Eisley.mp4/file

Worked. thanks

I am not far from having this scene completed. There are some dust that I am still removing. Where you have it at in your version is fine other than the cut to wide shot of mos eisley. Its a still and very quick. did you plan to add some moving smoke or something later?

The other shot choice is to have this right after Jabba so its not leaving a scene of them walking then vader than back to a similar scene walking. I like the establishing shot of the death start before to set the scene up. There is also an alternate version of the dialogue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llCsBNgjWu0

I have both versions with dialogue downloaded and not sure which I will use, but I have a problem with the line search every house hold in the system when clearly the focus is on tatooine only and the planet is not a system. This is the the clue that this was remade for christmas special. I may use the other choice a fan has done.

I like the first part keeping mind probe and then maybe a combination of the two…also in the youtube Vader talks to much and the volume as he walks away needs to fade or just stop…so it’s not perfect, but I like having options

Also you cut out the scene with walking imperial director in white (not in screen clip) and R3-M3 the blue R2 unit on the death star we also see in background with obiwan later.

I spent some time restoring R3-M3 to have more saturated color and sharpness so I want to keep him. If I can break away from empire deleted scenes I may return to this and finish it and post, but right now trying to wrap up remaining ESB deleted

Kg1977 I think the best option here is to send you the raw files and fix of Bast’s voice so you can put it wherever you want to. I personally think it’s ruining the film in that position between Garindan and them walking in the Alley It’s clunky and it’s contradicting the plot.

The music won’t mix with Lukes theme that’s why that still image is there.

If the scene comes before the slaughtered Jawa’s, that then leads up to the scene after Cantina where Bast’s line to Vader now makes sense because Tarkin is being Coaxed by others around him to change tactics.

However I will send you the files when I sorted out the gap in the walking and then you can use it with whatever Vader voice Line you want also.

But give me a bit of time as I took a break from that scene for a bit. However I will send you those files and also some other resources you might like or find handy.

Ronster, placing this around jabba and where they are already in mos Eisley is were I think most will place, but I am not married to it being here only an option. So definitely open to it going well before they even mention mos eisley on the overlook if the music makes more sense. Mos Eisley gets mentioned in Ben’s hut well before so at least there is some context when Basts says it in the hallway walk.

Thank you in advance for sending the raw clip you have and I can take a look. Version I have has major scratches over the last part (not sure if there is a clean version that exist?) and not sure what part of Bast’s voice you fixed? Can you point me to that as well and what your version fix has for it?

going to look again now at your first clip with it must earlier and listen to the music queues you mention.

Well it’s not a music cue because none exists it’s all music editing in the chance to make it work somehow, but wiping from right to left on the walk to the sandcrawler is a good bit of visual storytelling IMO.

The voice line part I fixed is when the crew member shouts “Go!” Making bast’s bit of “plan to” before “break her”

He is talking about the mind probe so is Vader if you go by the audio in the deleted scene. The Holiday Special being actually James Earl Jones and it linking nicely with the ransacking of the Lars homestead. I imean I prefer genuine if possible but it’s hard to achieve in this scene.

It’s another attempt another day. I think I can get it working well at the Sandcrawler if I’m not absoluteley satisfied that it is working I will share the work but I woould be thinking of discarding the scene personally as it was done so already.

Sky_ said:
It’s Always amazing seeing other people tackle this awfully Damaged deleted footage
I can learn a lot from the process you’re doing in certain places on my Repair work

(if directed at me), then Thank you Sky_ …like I said looking at your 2018 kind of got me kickstarted in having a go at it.
I think restoration of this nature is also a process in which yes, you try something and then maybe come back later and try something else or see what others have done and it grows. I definitely understand the needing to walk away from a scene and do another after looking at the same image/s over and over 😃 as I think you may have mentioned in a post.

It’s challenging, that is for sure, sometimes I think these restorations are more work than shooting a new scene from scratch

kg1977 said:

Sky_ said:
It’s Always amazing seeing other people tackle this awfully Damaged deleted footage
I can learn a lot from the process you’re doing in certain places on my Repair work

(if directed at me), then Thank you Sky_ …like I said looking at your 2018 kind of got me kickstarted in having a go at it.
I think restoration of this nature is also a process in which yes, you try something and then maybe come back later and try something else or see what others have done and it grows. I definitely understand the needing to walk away from a scene and do another after looking at the same image/s over and over 😃 as I think you may have mentioned in a post.

It’s challenging, that is for sure, sometimes I think these restorations are more work than shooting a new scene from scratch

I appreciate both your hard efforts and fruit572 for the work done so far sometimes only a small snippet of footage can make a scene work much better yet without sound it can also mean nothing. Whilst I don’t want to detract from the great work you guys are doing in anyway. The reason I am posting is to hopefully lessen your workload.

Pacing and timing are something very important and with Raw deleted footage some footage might fall away, similarly a piece of footage you might think is totally insignificant might become important to make something work.

The Footage and the Sound are inseparable however you can have sound without footage and footage without sound and purposefully so yet it is the two in unison that will truly bring these scenes to life.

I think I have found the music cue for Luke Looking at the Space battle through his binoculars… It’s a guess but an educated guess? But it would radically change the start of the film. There are many questions about the start of the film and trying to understand how it might have been originally planned to be put together or what the initial cut looked like and sounded like.

My technique I have developed over the years is similar to a Chinese puzzle where you have a single blank square in order to organize a whole complete picture, yet in this part of the film it is like a Chinese puzzle with many duplicated shots or repeated shots AND scenes in the incorrect order. All of this has to be taken into consideration but when you get say a couple of things right generally the rest starts to fall into place.

The Luke macro binoculars scene in Tattooine 1 may actually of been purposefully intended to be split out across at least 2 or perhaps 3 different parts of the film.

I have a few days off and I will be trying to sort as much as I can.

Be sure though keep up the good work you guys are doing 😃

Ronster said:

The Footage and the Sound are inseparable however you can have sound without footage and footage without sound and purposefully so yet it is the two in unison that will truly bring these scenes to life.

I agree to the sentence above. Some of the footage across the 3 films has sound and music and it is the secret sauce. Luke and Tread had none. The music I used in that one was some that made sense to me, but also if using radio drama audio Mark’s voice had to use what was behind that and blend. That particular scene that I posted is a first draft of it as I still wanted to go back and make real ships in the binocs, replacing the triangles and some other things. I am working on Yoda and Luke light sabre training and did add some music there and amazing what a difference it makes when you find something that compliments. Speaking of which, still trying to find the hi-res of the black and white portions of that scene to colorize (similar to the stills Bobson posted) if anyone has those let me know. The color scenes I have are fine. I would love to finish that scene.

Appreciate all the work others are doing and the small incremental improvements and creative choices that are attempt to find a home for these deleted scenes and fit them in with purpose and impact.

I was working on the Vader Scene this morning and it’s nearly complete…But I really wanted to test the theory that Luke and Treadwell were indeed catered for by John Williams and I think I got a rough frame work for that and I’d say yeah it’s there… It works and it’s fairly slick.

So here is that test and Frame lock. I also excised the repeated footage and have made this part make more sense it’s a bit slender and some might say “but you cut stuff out!” whilst adding extra too.

Well yes. but this is my system of working and making the film chronological or at least dupes out correct order not really brutal but strict. Workprint.

https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/765298057/privacy

So as stated before the rest of the deleted scene of treadwell and Luke would feature when the Sandcrawler arrives at Lars Homestead (No music required just Sound effects and dialogue.

The shot of Treadwell blowing up does indeed work before Luke’s Realization and goes home in a panic after the Ransacking of the Lars Homestead.

And that is it really. This version will be deleted as my Vimeo is out of space and I already had to delete stuff so it’s a test not a final.

Working on the wampa attack in base scene and wondering if anyone has the full scene in better than 1280 x 720. I am have the scene from Bobson’s leftovers that is 1920 x 816, but it is missing the shots of R2 coming down the hall that I want + the wampa entering (same scene closer in). See the shots below. On the closeup, the wampa body is bottom right you can almost not tell its him in the sample, but looking to just know it is coming and not really hold on the shot to much, so need the earlier segment of that clip. Let me know if anyone has these is a higher res. Color does not need to match below as sample is more of a corrected color. If you have these scenes as original, they will be someone orange or brownish in tint. I am fine with that.

**Update, I might use the disney online clips of this as it seems to be the best unless someone has the 2011 bluray copy. I own the blurays but not the 2011 I guess. I was told those are the best master source of these, Can anyone confirm or do you have it in MP4 taken from this that you could PM me?

How’s things coming along?

I’ve been busy with work but plan to get back on this soon in terms of sound mixing.

as Far as the opening goes I have to do sound for Luke Binoculars do you think if we cut from the planet surface to space instead of Panning down it would pan up from the planet to space?

There is more tattooine planet matte painting to achieve this more than is shown in the film anyway.

I have sorted out somewhat the music and sound for an escape pod being destroyed before they are clamped in this was to go in the fanfare that plays on Star Destroyer coming over the tantive this also solves the “There goes another one” gunner line issue.

I have a soundmix somewhat prepared for Tosche station scene where Luke runs into the bar. I think the cut music from the radio drama when Han and Luke part ways at Yavin Base when they are loading boxes is possibly a music cue for Luke having the binoculars chucked at him. I say this because it sounds very similar to the escape pod going towards Tattooine music cue but obviously this cue would then take us back up to the Tantive IV and captured princess Leia. I have a piece of music that I think will work well for the bar scene also.

Do you have the extra shot where they leave the bar in your possession? from what I understand it is quite low quality it’s not necessarily needed but it’s an extra shot…

Do you think when Luke runs up the stairs towards the Bar we should see the escape pod in the sky?

https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/783244488

^ Here is my final go at the Vader Scene and I included the Treadwell being shot edit to show how I think it was meant to go also. I hope you like my final take on this 😃

I wish more or all surviving deleted scenes from the original trilogy would be officially released because we know they exist like in a new hope the Sith Lord mentioned. makes you wonder what other gems are locked away from us same with even the prequel trilogy. 😦

Fullmetaled said:

I wish more or all surviving deleted scenes from the original trilogy would be officially released because we know they exist like in a new hope the Sith Lord mentioned. makes you wonder what other gems are locked away from us same with even the prequel trilogy. 😦

I came up with an idea to include those lines however the audio is so boomy but the audio in the state it was in kind of spurred the idea.

Basically If we showed Vader looking out the Bridge of the Star Destroyer like in Empire Strikes Back and as if Vader can sense what is being said about him… “I tell you he’s gone too far… This sith Lord will be undoing” while Vader looks out of the window in to space then when he goes on to talk about the station being tactically insignificant or whatever we would see the death star then we cut to the film footage of The star destroyer and then heading towards the death star with the music as is which would lead in to the conference room scene.

Although I think it “could” work this way it’s a real stretch. It’s a shame the audio quality is so bad and the video is unsuitable.

Shouldn’t it be possible to clean up the “sith lord” audio at least a little bit with AI? Would be cool to see it somehow worked it in while Vader is outside the meeting room, followed by cutting to the meeting and playing the scene normally until he comes in.

Ronster said:

as Far as the opening goes I have to do sound for Luke Binoculars do you think if we cut from the planet surface to space instead of Panning down it would pan up from the planet to space?There is more tattooine planet matte painting to achieve this more than is shown in the film anyway.

Ronstar, what was you beginning with treadwell and luke and binocs going to be? or were you only going to have treadwell later and not in the beginning?

In my version, I was going to have an extra shot of the tantive and star destroyer above tantooine literly a top down shot and then the cut would be to surface where we see the sky w/very small blinks being the ships with the naked eye to tie them together and of course move right into luke at the vaporator scene so you get the idea that he is directly below and ties into what he sees the ships (more clearly) in the macrobinoculars. I am sure you can find some macrobiocular noise from somewhere else in the films and use that, but not sure where you need it?, do you plan to use it when he is looking at the ships?

I have sorted out somewhat the music and sound for an escape pod being destroyed before they are clamped in this was to go in the fanfare that plays on Star Destroyer coming over the tantive this also solves the “There goes another one” gunner line issue.

I had never thought of adding another escape pod that was not with R2 and 3PO as I just assumed they were others when they say the line “there goes another one”

I have a soundmix somewhat prepared for Tosche station scene where Luke runs into the bar.

I almost have this scene finished, but I keep moving to other things 😃 I might have just the interior first cut tomorrow. I had not thought far enough ahead yet as to music to put here, but interested in what you planned. I have seen a few other cuts where music was added but it was music as if they are listening to pre-recorded music inside (radio, playback, jukebox…whatever they would have inside)

I think the cut music from the radio drama when Han and Luke part ways at Yavin Base when they are loading boxes is possibly a music cue for Luke having the binoculars chucked at him

Interested in what you found here as well as I also have not finished this yet, also I plan to use the lines in the radio drama here where he mentions they are expensive when she throws them back. I am so close on just wrapping up these that I should just finish them…been working more on ESB deleted scenes as Adywan has a 1080P version of that and I could add and call it a version 1 well before getting ROJ and ANH.

I say this because it sounds very similar to the escape pod going towards Tattooine music cue but obviously this cue would then take us back up to the Tantive IV and captured princess Leia.

yes if it ties the scenes together I think it would be a good choice

I have a piece of music that I think will work well for the bar scene also.
Do mean inside the station? I never thought of it as a bar(it’s more of a garage and hangout in ANH I think (becomes a bar later I guess in book of Boba), but they do have drinks inside in ANH 😃…very interested in what you found for music (It needs something in that scene in the background but not over taking all the talking). So I had always thought that maybe they had music playing in the background which may be interesting and might be the way I take it not sure yet. I don’t like Jedi Rock as the jabba palace song and planned to use lapti nek in my ROJ version, but jedi rock in the background might work for the station since they are playing an arcade game and they are young…and the scene feels upbeat and very “music in a hangout place” …not sure yet

Do you have the extra shot where they leave the bar in your possession? from what I understand, it is quite low quality it’s not necessarily needed but it’s an extra shot…

Do you mean this one?

not sure if salvageable screenshot about as good as it would ever get unless they release better and need to have half of the image widen and this is the 340 x 600 never seen it larger

Do you think when Luke runs up the stairs towards the Bar we should see the escape pod in the sky?

3PO and R2s escape pod lands very very far from tosche/anchorhead if you look at the tatooine maps out there. If you have a pod falling in this scene? I would place it to let the viewing understood it is another pod (the other one when they say there goes another one). Not sure if the scene needs and seems like luke might notice it falling, but that might be ok and add to the scene…would have to see the FX completed to understand if it fits or would just be unneeded not sure. adding a compare clip from mine so far…

Here is my final go at the Vader Scene and I included the Treadwell being shot edit to show how I think it was meant to go also. I hope you like my final take on this 😃

I believe Luke and treadwell were meant for the beginning as in the novel and radio drama it is clear he is on the farm with them and sees the battle. I think its kind of where people expect it, but your take is artistic choice so I would say it’s what feels right to you. If you add there I would show additional shot of the homestead burning with a composited treadwell of center and some story troopers from some footage then treadwell getting shot so there is more context to where he is and what you are seein (that it is taking place miles away)

Fullmetaled said:

I wish more or all surviving deleted scenes from the original trilogy would be officially released because we know they exist like in a new hope the Sith Lord mentioned. makes you wonder what other gems are locked away from us same with even the prequel trilogy. 😦

I think disney is considering “officially released” as what we get on disney channel. but there are some of the obscure stuff, that is so bad I don’t see them releasing, which is too bad. A couple to note:

Originals of:
-Extra shots of Obiwan at the tracker beam control (different angles)
-Some additional shots in mos eisley streets
-The extra ~3 sec in board room with “Sith Lord mentioned”
-severed head in cantina (although this is just an alternate vs the arm and I think ommitting this is better)
-extra shot at tosche outside with actors (some of this could be used to fill in and there has to be better as mentioned)
-extra shots of luke and treadwell (not ones in deleted scene)
-extra shot of vader walking in the tantive (only seen as a photo-but obviously was a moving shot)

I plan to use parts of the obiwan tracker beam cuts and mos eisley later though in ANH-X I think I can make these work as they are not too bad just need some work and creative editing to put them in

ifjg said:

Shouldn’t it be possible to clean up the “sith lord” audio at least a little bit with AI? Would be cool to see it somehow worked it in while Vader is outside the meeting room, followed by cutting to the meeting and playing the scene normally until he comes in.

Over the christmas break I am going to try and finish the sandstorm restored visually removing all scratches etc. I found a new free AI audio restoration tool that has a 7 day demo and was going to have a go at the audio for sandstorm (or the wind machines as it is). I may go ahead and take a stab at sith lord audio and see how it does Will post if others want to see if they can be used. There is a lot of different ways to cut that scene to try and include the sith lord line. Obviously the video with him talking is completely unusable, but if the audio can be saved, might be something to revisit.

kg1977 said:

I believe Luke and treadwell were meant for the beginning as in the novel and radio drama it is clear he is on the farm with them and sees the battle. I think its kind of where people expect it, but your take is artistic choice so I would say it’s what feels right to you. If you add there I would show additional shot of the homestead burning with a composited treadwell of center and some story troopers from some footage then treadwell getting shot so there is more context to where he is and what you are seein (that it is taking place miles away)

Yeah I am splitting it into 3 parts

1. very start Video is up there in the thread a rough timing.

2. When Sandcrawler Arrives

3. Treadwell get’s shot (It’s kind of corney if droids keep exploding of their own malfunctions but who knows perhaps if they actually existed it might be a trait?) 😃

The cut music from the Radio Drama for the binoculars being thrown at Luke has awkward sound over it… Like boxes being dropped and chewbacca growls also so it may ne hard to isolate this but I will give it a shot. Anyway have a nice Christmas Break.

Ronster said:

Fullmetaled said:

I wish more or all surviving deleted scenes from the original trilogy would be officially released because we know they exist like in a new hope the Sith Lord mentioned. makes you wonder what other gems are locked away from us same with even the prequel trilogy. 😦

I came up with an idea to include those lines however the audio is so boomy but the audio in the state it was in kind of spurred the idea.

Basically If we showed Vader looking out the Bridge of the Star Destroyer like in Empire Strikes Back and as if Vader can sense what is being said about him… “I tell you he’s gone too far… This sith Lord will be undoing” while Vader looks out of the window in to space then when he goes on to talk about the station being tactically insignificant or whatever we would see the death star then we cut to the film footage of The star destroyer and then heading towards the death star with the music as is which would lead in to the conference room scene.

Although I think it “could” work this way it’s a real stretch. It’s a shame the audio quality is so bad and the video is unsuitable.

I think you missed my point we shouldn’t have just gotten that one scene and like that it should have been restored with a plethora of deleted scenes for all six of the films George worked on for the uhd release there was no reason not to include them. if the new ghostbusters could include the deleted scenes from 2 even though it was still missing some of the infamous ones. then the Star Wars set could have as well even if it was a blu ray extras disc there’s no excuse.