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Fruit672 said:

You may want to start from scratch but here’s a video where I’ve already improved the quality and made it 60 fps, no scratch removal done. This may or may not be the highest-quality version out there you just may need to compare since it was a while ago that I posted this video. I’ll also see If I can do anything with the audio since there’s a massive fan blowing the whole time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOndD5NX-F8&ab_channel=InfectiousSneeze
and here’s my test at isolating the dialogue from the loud fans
\https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtvHLjtHOrE&ab_channel=InfectiousSneeze

Thanks I’ll take a look at version I have and compare. Just curious, what does converting a 23.97 frame video to 60fps do to help? I mean it’s more frame to edit if you have to go frame by frame for dust etc…just curious I see others have mentioned… I will also try a shot at isolation and see what I can come up with, have not tried it yet.

Well before I was cleaning up scratches for videos I was just upscaling and color grading. So I wasn’t doing any real frame-by-frame clean up and I just made it 60fps because it looked smoother and when compared to the original, (in my opinion) better. But now since I also remove scratches and dirt, the 60 fps is usually done at the end of everything if I think it’s necessary. And if you want you could just set it back to 24 fps.

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Out of curiosity reference the cantina…

How well would the drunk driving PSA advert upscale for the cantina band shots?

The reason I ask is those shots are passable as being accurate where as the holiday Special shots are not location acurate such as the lack of window behind them and positioning of the band members.

The footage is not the best from that advert.

Alright so I’ve spent some time looking through websites and youtube videos of the PSA videos and I think I have found the 3 best-quality videos for an upscale attempt.
The first one is the 16mm blue-tinted video where it doesn’t have the right color but has most of the right exposure to see everything there is to see in the frame, but it does have scratches.

The second video is a better quality version than the “remaster” version up on youtube which was posted a longer time ago with a lower maximum quality set at 360p but when compared to the “remaster” it has less compression and blockiness to the video. This one has color but needs to be color graded as it has a grey/green tint and has no scratches.

The third and uncertain one is a version that was posted by the company Motion Picture Video from 2 years ago as a youtube short. In its description, they say “The p.s.a. has been restored from a 16mm film print that was in pretty bad shape. Enjoy some rarely-seen Star Wars from MPV! Restored by our expert Robert Kauspedas”
Now the video has been posted as with an aspect ratio of a phone so we’re missing the sides of the video but the exposure and detail are almost as close as the blue 16mm version. It does have scratches but that’s an easy fix. I have emailed the company asking if they still have the video In its original quality and aspect ratio, and if not, if they can give me the email of the person who restored the 16mm film (Robert Kauspedas). Now their company is in America and I’ve just sent them the email so It may take a day for a response. I’ve tried googling Robert but have had no luck so far.

What I plan on testing is seeing whether I can blend each video source on top of one another like a fusion. So I have the #1 (blue tint) as the base layer (all the correct exposure and detail), I set the blue tint to black and white for easier color adding, and then either #2 or #3 on top of #1 and set it to (color blend) so its now in color. It sounds kind of confusing probably but I’ll start testing it out soon once I fix up my PC and have access to the software again, and once I can confirm whether or not it’s possible to obtain the restored version from Robert.

Videos: let me know if you find a better version (compare them)
Video #1 (Blue tint) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_VW9O9Y5ZU&ab_channel=TheRetronaut
Video #2 (better than the remaster) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0JQid50UNE&ab_channel=ScratchedMedia
Video #3 (“Restored” footage) https://tinyurl.com/bdfh9axv by Robert Kauspedas

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Update:
I got a response from the company and basically what they said to me was their copy came from a transfer of a 16mm film. And It’s in the public domain. Their restorer Robert Kauspedas passed away and they own the master copy of the restored version that he produced, which he said was “still not that great quality” and that their version is available to license if I want to.
Im just going to ask if I can see the video because I’m not too familiar with the business of licensing something and whether it’s free to do so.
Update #2
He replied by saying he’s going to ask for approval from a producer and that will be in touch.

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Great work Fruit672 it’s been one of those bits of star wars history that although not well known internationally is something important in it’s own right.

I will watch with interest for the result on this, What ever source you fiddle with to try to get a decent output result.

Yes Stacking sources is an interesting technique it’s something I actually am wanting to do at this moment to experiment with 2 sources on the Cantina regarding black crush.

Burnt out and very little time at the moment with work comitments I will try and sort some clips out Saturday this week and various resources I have.

Thanks for your efforts.

I have been looking at the deleted holochess pieces stop motion animation too… I think it is incomplete. However they would line up with the angle that R2D2 is positioned aboard the death star. Either the background was not comped or it’s uncropped cutting off the discrepency at the top and the chess pieces were simply not comped in … However the whole idea about not showing the arm being chopped off in the Cantina got me thinking about “droids don’t rip peoples arms out of their sockets when they lose… Wookies have been known to do that” and although I even have my doubts about this particular idea being plausible as being correct. It might actually work or it might not. It’s another thing to try out ontop of a cantina alternative. I am most curious though about the missing chess pieces put ontop of R2-D2’s chest.

Going back to the devil or guy with horns too… What is the black thing that passes in front of his face? It looks like an optical wipe but to nothing. It feels like a strange optical error or a missing splice… Like the insert shot is missing from the splice.

Oh yeah and Luke ordering a drink I think I could just make out him saying “I’ll have one of those” almost totally inaudible. I am curious if this was more audible or easy to catch in another release as I don’t think it’s present in the Special edition at all. At this point it has become a bit of a missing Line.

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With reference to Luke and the treadwell droid and Luke peering up at the sky. This scene as a whole sequence is not needed. The following deleted scene at tosche station explains he saw firing in the sky. We as the audience experienced this in the opening shots. We know Luke is telling the truth even though his friends do not believe him.

In film making it is often best rather than force something that does not work at all and cram it in, perhaps ruining the way it works already it is much better to re-purpose material to create something else from it.

There is a detail that you have missed in that clip where treadwell extends his welding arm to repair the moisture vaporater. This is animation based effect where the extended arm is paused to composite the welding effect on the droids arm.

So although the Tosche stations scenes work in there own right without this scene attached it would be better to use this scene partially.

After the stormtroopers in the desert “look sir droids” it could be better to create a bridge by cutting to treadwell here reparing the vaporator without Luke at all Then after he finishes his repairs he looks around and spots the sandcrawler approaching in the distance towards the lars homestead. Using this scene in this way would connect the Farm to where the Sandcrawler is approaching.

And that is probably how I would use that scene simply to create a bit of location awareness and set the scene that is to follow.

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Fruit672 said:

You may want to start from scratch but here’s a video where I’ve already improved the quality and made it 60 fps, no scratch removal done. This may or may not be the highest-quality version out there you just may need to compare since it was a while ago that I posted this video. I’ll also see If I can do anything with the audio since there’s a massive fan blowing the whole time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOndD5NX-F8&ab_channel=InfectiousSneeze
and here’s my test at isolating the dialogue from the loud fans
\https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtvHLjtHOrE&ab_channel=InfectiousSneeze

Thanks I’ll take a look at version I have and compare. Just curious, what does converting a 23.97 frame video to 60fps do to help? I mean it’s more frame to edit if you have to go frame by frame for dust etc…just curious I see others have mentioned… I will also try a shot at isolation and see what I can come up with, have not tried it yet.

this one seems to be a bit better in quality, maybe in color too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJqRPV19vKM&t=181s&ab_channel=LEKHANHProductions

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How well would the drunk driving PSA advert upscale for the cantina band shots?

The reason I ask is those shots are passable as being accurate where as the holiday Special shots are not location acurate such as the lack of window behind them and positioning of the band members.

The footage is not the best from that advert.

Even trying all the filters I have at it, not that good with 1080P restore version from youtube. Maybe if that better copy shows up from public domain mentioned earlier. thanks for sharing that clip idea though I did download it to have on hand. Looking now I think the Video #2 is as stated “better than the remaster” so if try it later I would use that one I think. But interested to see if a better can be found
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0JQid50UNE&ab_channel=ScratchedMedia
5 minute attempt to improve (Too blocky I would need really work on that
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There is a detail that you have missed in that clip where treadwell extends his welding arm to repair the moisture vaporater. This is animation based effect where the extended arm is paused to composite the welding effect on the droids arm.

I actually plan to back later and work more on that clip. I will need to see that missing part is, I did not think I left out any scene

After the stormtroopers in the desert “look sir droids” it could be better to create a bridge by cutting to treadwell here reparing the vaporator without Luke at all Then after he finishes his repairs he looks around and spots the sandcrawler approaching in the distance towards the lars homestead. Using this scene in this way would connect the Farm to where the Sandcrawler is approaching.

In my planned extended version, I was going to have closer to the beginning, the battle like in the radio drama, but this is also an interesting idea with the bridge after look sir droids.

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You may want to start from scratch but here’s a video where I’ve already improved the quality and made it 60 fps, no scratch removal done. This may or may not be the highest-quality version out there you just may need to compare since it was a while ago that I posted this video.

I looked at the other hi-quality and it’s a toss up, but I like yours using the AI scratch removal…I would prob drop the frame rate to do the scratches, the color I can tweak…did you do all the clips for Jedi like this or only have the sandstorm?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOndD5NX-F8&ab_channel=InfectiousSneeze

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kg1977 said:

You may want to start from scratch but here’s a video where I’ve already improved the quality and made it 60 fps, no scratch removal done. This may or may not be the highest-quality version out there you just may need to compare since it was a while ago that I posted this video.

I looked at the other hi-quality and it’s a toss up, but I like yours using the AI scratch removal…I would prob drop the frame rate to do the scratches, the color I can tweak…did you do all the clips for Jedi like this or only have the sandstorm?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOndD5NX-F8&ab_channel=InfectiousSneeze

I think that’s my only ROJ one, besides one with the deleted rancor scene but I could improve on that one. I’ve got a little bit more EMP shots

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Guys, how do you go about downloading youtube videos? screen capture or just a converter somewhere? my laptop’s screen recorder is terrible and the website I usually go to for conversions got rid of its URL uploader.

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Fruit672 said:

Guys, how do you go about downloading youtube videos? screen capture or just a converter somewhere? my laptop’s screen recorder is terrible and the website I usually go to for conversions got rid of its URL uploader.

Y2mate.com Is where I normally go to for general URL downloads. It is still active.

There is a Vimeo URL downloader too but I can not remember the name of the site. Just google vimeo downloader.

You can use OBS studio for decent screencapture it’s free app it will only handle up to 2 video sources.

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Ronster said:

There is a detail that you have missed in that clip where treadwell extends his welding arm to repair the moisture vaporater. This is animation based effect where the extended arm is paused to composite the welding effect on the droids arm.

I actually plan to back later and work more on that clip. I will need to see that missing part is, I did not think I left out any scene

It’s there where Luke runs off screen past treadwell to the landspeeder. Treadwell droid lifts and drops his arm.

You need to pause the frame of the video where his arm is fully extended then composite sparks on the still image once he is done repairs continue the video and his arm drops back down. Magic.

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Fruit672 said:

Guys, how do you go about downloading youtube videos? screen capture or just a converter somewhere? my laptop’s screen recorder is terrible and the website I usually go to for conversions got rid of its URL uploader.

Y2mate.com Is where I normally go to for general URL downloads. It is still active.

There is a Vimeo URL downloader too but I can not remember the name of the site. Just google vimeo downloader.

You can use OBS studio for decent screencapture it’s free app it will only handle up to 2 video sources.

When I go on Y2mate it says it’s been discontinued or is no longer working. I also got 2 security warnings before getting on there 😕
I might try OBS but I also remembered another software called handbrake which I used for conversions along time ago, although can’t recall if it did url’s

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Handbrake won’t do URL’s but it’s good for converting video to mp4 or mkv.

Well perhaps don’t put .com in just google “y2mate” and it should be ok and take you to legit site.

https://y2mate.tools/en57e8

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  1. Search for R2 (POV in the Speeder) - 60% [SAMPLE IMAGE BELOW]
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  2. Extended sandpeople mounting their Banthas - complete

I nearly have this scene completed although I thought it was really clunky initially however it is not.

I have improved the film in this part and I have not too because I wanted to see how it should play or could.

I planned to go again on this but my feelings are only the opening wide shot and the first conversation.

In terms of structure I have it but when I initially did the edit I tried to put in a bit too much in.

I have created the elements for the missing shot of the Landspeeder Scanner for which I still never got around to playing with to this day… still.

It could however use an additional shot of Banthas for the leaping on group of Sand people though from the ridge. I can share my rough cut with you on this… Just wondering on the scratch removal front how well the Bantha footage would clean up as in the shot of the one going along the ridge. The guys struggling to mount the Bantha are terrible please don’t bother cleaning that up!

But it is plausible that the other struggling group already sitting up there from this point was meant to be in the film… we continue with the Sandpeople that lept on along the ridge and then back to the shot in the film of the second group cpming toward camera.

Although there is music for the struggling sand people getting up there it is bad and cutting it was a good move. The thing is though the music is totally wrong in this part and that is the main motivation to get it working better.

This also relates to the music being wrong in the Jawas capturing R2D2 in the canyon and restoring that so it’s an edit of 2 parts.

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Guys, how do you go about downloading youtube videos? screen capture or just a converter somewhere? my laptop’s screen recorder is terrible and the website I usually go to for conversions got rid of its URL uploader.

I use the native free video downloader for chrome for Vimeo (google the extension and install)

Not finding an official google youtube extension unless have youtube red service (cash grab), so I use sites (not a fan of downloading client to do it for fear of maleware (I know this can come from sites as well)

I used Y2mate, but then some would not download, but it is good and less pop-ups

https://yt5s.io/en/youtube-to-mp4
works for all but you have to block and many dialogues to close or ignore and just know your anitvirus will constantly complain about the site trying to put adware or unsage. I dont think it is major risk, but it’s not risk free, I download on a dedicated machine (not my main editing) regardless. This site is getting ridiculous now for what you have to block ignore, close ope windows etc. Use only if you can’t find any other tool.

I may start looking at or use some of the ones mentioned in this post or go link below, since they look more “official”
Your options for what to use and what will work change all the time. - “growing” topic
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/video-downloader-professi/elicpjhcidhpjomhibiffojpinpmmpil/related?hl=en

We should probably put this topic in another post, I can move this there if that is the case or there maybe one? existing? I dont mind, but maybe others are looking for this topic and like I said it is probably one that continues to grow.

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kg1977 said:

  1. Search for R2 (POV in the Speeder) - 60% [SAMPLE IMAGE BELOW]
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  2. Extended sandpeople mounting their Banthas - complete

My usage of “Search for R2” deleted scene is an attempt to add in more dialogue from radio drama. This is a very raw scene shot against a projector…very cheesy. The scenes you don’t see as a still are the side shot of this (most of the scene) and I am experimenting with adding a clean plate which background looks almost like the deleted scene and is a driving side shot from a truck shot in Tunesia with what looks like near same location that someone on Youtube had (non-starwars related). The side slots in deleted have very bad color and the radio drama scene of the same (same dialogue etc.) is about 8X longer then the deleted scene we have (much will need to be cut or reused to extend)- I am interested in your cut in progress or final just to understand options to make this work. I also have some elements (photoshop layers) for “missing shot of the Landspeeder Scanner”. I had thought to improve the scanner from the existing “red on black” and incorporate into the extended scene not using deleted footage but interior shot with a 3PO arm as might have access in the future to someone who is building a life size 3PO and then making a interior cockpit shot prop (this would be in a V3 and some time off)

The bantha scene I kept (as you can see with sample) ended up only being the wide shot of the them before the close up mounting from cliff. These seemed like 2 different raiders then the ones that ground mount. The full scene of ground mount did not look or fit well even after I spent some time and not including it. I agree with your assessment of “please don’t bother cleaning that up!” It is an alternate take anyway and we get a nice clean shot of the bantha who heading off in the final film…so usage of even that long wide shot is only a very small addition.

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I am going to hold off on posting a Resource Package today as I need a rest but for now…

This is an interesting unused matte painting from Empire where the Ceiling was meant to collapse.

https://uk.propstoreauction.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/78/lot/18545/

It might however meant to be another layer above the Cracks in the ceiling that are all in black and never got comped in…

Here is my rough cut for the Landspeeder search

https://www.mediafire.com/file/vxr1q5ljuzsh33l/Landspeeder_searcg_prefinal%25281%2529.mp4/file

It still needs a bit of work

There is an audio fix for the binoculars zoom as the film is out of synch in this part as there is too many frames however when I replaced 3P0’s Hannah Barbara scream voice with Antony Daniels voice I go out of synch for when Luke get’s hit in the chest.

I can fix that though no problems.

Here was my first and only attempt at the treadwell droid sequence…

https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/393507627

This was my finished Tosche station 2 soundmix

https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/660660652

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So I ended up watching my own clip on the landspeeder search quite a few times.

So perhaps I need to change the speed on the rearview of the video to make 3p0 looking over to the right. That was really hard to make that work.

So we got the music restored over R2-D2 in the canyon which allows the build up to the raiders on the cliff.

But can you now see what I mean about the Bantha footage. Good spot by the wsy on the guys on the ledge before they leap.

So the tuskan raider leaps on with that cool bit of restored music.

Basically my thoughts are cut the music away for Tuskan raider struggling and him also.

Use the short drum beat cue for the tuskan raider running on the ledge.

Cut to mounted tuskan raiders with the call that he makes bit like a donkey.

Now it very much depends on that scratched shot of the bantha being cleaned up to restore the music cue. How well can that clean up?

Did you notice the shot was timed a little different to the music in the film where the Banthas footstomp goes inbetween the drums and the bass note starts on the shot of luke and 3p0 finding R2D2?

That is the proper restored music cue.

Also going back to the treadwell droid just thinking how the special edition Sandcrawler Shot might look through binoculars? Then simply put to luke running past treadwell and treadwell does his repairs thing. The good news is if that worked which I reckon it would I have that whole soundmix without any music. One of the hardest things was to find alternate treadwell sounds. I don’t reckon he should blow up either but It is a nice subtle gag that at least treadwell is smart enough to not want to be around the Jawas to perhaps get sold off. That makes that scene a whole lot better.

Also with the Special edition Sandcrawler shot I am thinking so on the Binoculars it is zoomed out to appear far away filling the scope of the binoculars.

Then end of the shot where the Sandcrawler is against the Sky could be used to show the Sandcrawler coming to a halt. It could be an interesting animation to roack it back and forward a bit rotate it back and forth then cut to inside “wake up!” It could be given a weighty feel and again tell the story much better using that one shot in two very different ways.

I just got to wondering on the shot where treadwell blows up… was it a quick insert after Luke says “that would lead them back home” composite laser fire treadwell blows up Obiwan “wait Luke it’s too dangerous” cue the music Luke jumps in Landspeeder. The droids were not there…

Just for the record a little known deleted scene for the slaughtered Jawas was am establishing shot referenced in the script of smoke rising behind a landscape before we cut to that first shot.

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Also going back to the treadwell droid just thinking how the special edition Sandcrawler Shot might look through binoculars?

If you end up using treadwell scene as “morning of droid arrival” I have the binocs as a Photoshop and EA composition. if you want it to create a new view of distance sandcrawler…question on that if Luke sees it and then speeds back to farm is he running inside for a bit first? because we see him come outside when the jawas arrive. still works it just means he came back home and did something inside first.

Just for the record a little known deleted scene for the slaughtered Jawas was am establishing shot referenced in the script of smoke rising behind a landscape before we cut to that first shot.

This might an interesting extended shot if it is in the official script or was planned

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Well my thoughts were have the scene play out with a shot of treadwell looking over just before Luke on the Speeder shooting off then probably wipe straight to the end of the Special edition Sandcrawler shot and try to do the Halting shot of it arriving.

Although it sounds forced and a bad idea I think treadwell being shot would work well too. It relies though on this scene being present and the bit of dialogue for it to mean something. It would obviously be just 2 seconds and a glimpse of what was happening before Luke again speeds off.

It also plays on Treadwell not wanting to go meet the sandcrawler perhaps to get sold off too.was it a tragic decision to stay on the farm? It’s a little story but it comes full circle then.

I kind of see the original theatrical version as the film and final cut but the Special edition as the opportunity to try and tell the story better but not exactly how the Special edition did that. I don’t mind updated matte paintings and CGI ships they have zero effect on characters and story just look better in instances.

CGI Dinosaurs and poorly done slapstick get outta here. I don’t want puppets becoming CGI iterations for instance thst is horrid.

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Commander Bast and Vader Sound Restored.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/x20vmm37cx44or4/Darth_Vader_and_Bast.mp4/file

I managed to fix Bast’s cut out line when a crew member shouts “go!” using various soundbites of the actor.

This is not 100% complete there is no death star ambience or Darth Vader Breathing sounds and also walking footsteps sounds. It could run a bit longer and I will repost this when I get around to that but for now I think it’s serviceable. If it runs longer then the droids in the hallway also then need sound like the mouse droid and the R2 unit.

I managed to use the cut model shot of the Deathstar too. I did my best with the music I think it works pretty well… Or well enough there is no original music for this scene available.

I did not place it where it is stated to go in the script because it makes no sense in that location. I have a feeling though that where it is stated to go Garindan and the supposed music cue were meant to cut to Vader talking about Leia’s resistance to the mind probe… So that means instead of cutting from the cantina to the tie fighter we cut to R2 and 3P0 hiding storm trooper search then Luke selling the Speeder then the scene with Tarkin and Vader talking about a different form of persuasion to restore the music cue…

https://youtu.be/Lx3k7QF4Avs

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I cut it as per the script too link for Mos Eisley Version of the scene. It was quite a bit more work to make that transition but I got there in the end.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/t6xpgmoain98zwe/Vader_and_Bast_MOs_Eisley.mp4/file

I think the point of contention is Bast’s Line “Meanwhile we waste time with Governor Tarkin’s foolish plan to break her” Either he is talking about the mind probe or he is talking about going to Alderan to blow it uo. It’s not that much of an important scene but I think personally it works better at the Sandcrawler. Mos Eislet space port is shutdown and the stormtroopers are searching for the droids. Works both before they reach Mos Eisley and during that line.

So I hope that helps you out and others… Enjoy 😃