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Post #1506869

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yotsuya
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Anakin/Vader and mortality
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7-Oct-2022, 2:25 PM

G&G-Fan said:

yotsuya said:

But this final statement I have to disagree with. I feel that Lucas created the Republic Jedi Order in a very deliberate fashion.

Obviously wrong as the things Lucas says goes against your head canon.

But they are out of balance with the galaxy. Their ability to access the force is compromised.

They’re ability to use the force being compromised is because of the dark side clouding their vision, not the Jedi being bad at their jobs.

How they handle slavery is also addressed. Qui-gon says they are not there to free slaves. Okay. If it was a timing issue, why didn’t they go back and free some of the slaves. At least Shmi. That would have been one way to help Anakin get on the right path. Qui-gon might have had he lived. The other Jedi did nothing. So it was not a timing issue. It was a policy issue. The Jedi were being politically correct for their role in the Republic.

I already talked about this. I even brought up Shmi specifically. Please read what I said.

The Jedi have fallen from their high point and are now struggling and sacrifices have been made. Their teaching relies on avoidance rather than learning how to resist the dark side. Their missions have become more political - controlled by the Senate and Chancellor - than moral (going to help where they are needed). The Clone Wars are the final nail in their coffin because it emphasizes everything they are trapped into doing. And they get destroyed for it.

I also talked about their association with the Republic and not freeing slaves in the Outer Rim. Again, you’re not actually reading what I said.

Also the Jedi do learn to resist the dark side. It’s a part of their way.

https://www.tumblr.com/david-talks-sw/679421723083522048/balance-when-talking-about-a-jedi?source=share

If there is nothing wrong with the Jedi, why do they need the Chosen One to come and balance things?

The Chosen One prophecy is about destroying the Sith. Not the Jedi. The Sith are a cancer in the galaxy. They need to be destroyed.

https://www.tumblr.com/david-talks-sw/679554898557353985/bmnl?source=share

The Jedi teaching that we get in the first 6 films are all based on avoidance. “Once you start down that path, forever will it dominate your destiny” So don’t even start or you are doomed. But what about if you have taken that first step? How do you get back? If you have a situation that leads to fear or anger, how to you stop it from happening again? That is why teaching avoidance makes no sense. It is a good policy for beginners, but the advanced class needs to have tools to deal with the real world and situations that would lead to an emotional response that could potentially lead the dark side and how to recover from it. If you learn how to fly a cesna and then advance to a P-51, the rules change. Just as advancing from youngling to Padawan to Knight to Master. The rules change. The real world situations change. The chance of being lured by the dark side increases. In most things you have to be taught the rules first and how to break them the right way later. The Jedi never teach how to break the rules the right way so that it does not become a dark side trap. Basically the way they Jedi teachings are portrayed, any slip up leads to a permanent risk of turning to the dark side. And yet they never address those slips with Anakin.

As far as I’m concerned, freeing slaves is a minor point. I understand why they didn’t, though freeing Shmi would have been in Anakin’s best interest. I think freeing her would have prevented Anakin’s fall. But they Jedi were too self assured to think they needed to take that precaution.