thanks trooperman,i see my local best buy carrys them both,looks like i need to get 1 of them and some more darn THX monster cables. DJ i cant believe i didnt run into this problem sooner,figures it would be a star wars set LOL,so i go from my S-vhs player to a SIMA product,then into the Canopus ADVC-110,and into the PC,WOW what a mess.