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The Brave Little Toaster (1987) 4K 35mm Film Scan! (WIP) — Page 3

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Hal 9000 said:

If there’s a missing frame, I’d imagine he would be able to reasonably borrow it from the DVD (or upscale) and fill the rest in with information from surrounding frames. Absolute worst case just duplicate a frame to keep sync with audio.

That’s what I did for the quick encode that donors have received. It worked quite well

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Venny said:

Hal 9000 said:

If there’s a missing frame, I’d imagine he would be able to reasonably borrow it from the DVD (or upscale) and fill the rest in with information from surrounding frames. Absolute worst case just duplicate a frame to keep sync with audio.

That’s what I did for the quick encode that donors have received. It worked quite well

I wish I could have gotten the quick encode.

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UPDATE FOR DONORS:
Raw scans and new encodes will be made very soon! Sorry for the long wait, but there has been quite a long queue so expect raw scans and encodes to be ready in early July at the latest! I am also in contact with Jerry Rees the director of the original film and Brian McEntee who helped color time the original film to help work on restoration and general guidance. Can’t wait to give more updated soon! Anyone who has access to the Google Drive folder will receive the raw scans in the same folder when they are ready.

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Venny said:

I am also in contact with Jerry Rees the director of the original film and Brian McEntee who helped color time the original film to help work on restoration and general guidance.

Thanks to me!

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UPDATE 7/19/2022:
Raw scans are on the way! My middle man is downloading the raw DNG files and will be converting them to ProRes for donors. They will be located in the same folder as the proxies when they are uploaded!

For faster updates I suggest joining the Kineko Video Discord Server:
https://discord.com/invite/aNn2cu3UT3

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What audio source will likely be used? The Disney DVD?

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Ideally, a lossless capture of the Laserdisc audio, but I haven’t been able to get my hands on it. I’m not sure if anyone has done a preservation. The 5.1 AC3 mix on the DVD is fine, and I’d recommend including it as well, but it barely takes advantage of the surround channels anyway.

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LD audio is better than the DVD? Do you know something about their history? I could try my hand if the two need to be blended somehow, such as surround channels being more dynamic in the LD.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Octorox said:

Ideally, a lossless capture of the Laserdisc audio, but I haven’t been able to get my hands on it. I’m not sure if anyone has done a preservation. The 5.1 AC3 mix on the DVD is fine, and I’d recommend including it as well, but it barely takes advantage of the surround channels anyway.

Me neither it’s very expensive (in the 70 USD-100 range). I have up to 3 different people I could send a LD to for capture (one even having a Domesday setup) so if I ever get the LD release I will transfer it.

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There’s a copy of the LD for $64 on eBay right now which ain’t totally horrible. So that’s an option! We could pool the money together for it tbh.

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Hal 9000 said:

LD audio is better than the DVD? Do you know something about their history? I could try my hand if the two need to be blended somehow, such as surround channels being more dynamic in the LD.

I believe the LD audio is actually stereo, so it doesn’t use the surround channels at all. However it’s supposedly the original theatrical audio mix, whereas the DVD mix was a new one done for the DVD release. The Laserdisc audio is also supposed to be nearly lossless whereas the DVD has a compressed AC3 mix. The best option would be to include both. I’d bite the bullet but:
1.) I already spent too much on this movie importing the PAL DVD
2.) I don’t have a laserdisc player, or any of the equipment I would need to properly capture the audio.

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I decided to ask Jerry Rees if he owns the BLT laserdisc, and as a matter of fact, he does! It’s in his collection.

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Octorox said:

Hal 9000 said:

LD audio is better than the DVD? Do you know something about their history? I could try my hand if the two need to be blended somehow, such as surround channels being more dynamic in the LD.

I believe the LD audio is actually stereo, so it doesn’t use the surround channels at all. However it’s supposedly the original theatrical audio mix, whereas the DVD mix was a new one done for the DVD release. The Laserdisc audio is also supposed to be nearly lossless whereas the DVD has a compressed AC3 mix. The best option would be to include both. I’d bite the bullet but:
1.) I already spent too much on this movie importing the PAL DVD
2.) I don’t have a laserdisc player, or any of the equipment I would need to properly capture the audio.

The laserdisc has Dolby Surround encoded audio. The stereo soundtrack can be decoded to surround by any
receiver or pre-amp with prologic II. You get 4 channels: right, left, center and mono rear. I haven’t
heard it personally but it would be lossless and most likely the original theatrical audio mix.

Edit: I just purchased a copy of the laserdisc from Ebay. I will be able to provide a digital and analog copy
of the audio for the project. I’ll also check it out through my receiver and see what it sounds like decoded
to surround.

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Thank you so much! Once you provide it, I will sync it to my PAL DVD upscale project as well, at least until this project makes it obsolete.

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Greg Z said:

Octorox said:

Hal 9000 said:

LD audio is better than the DVD? Do you know something about their history? I could try my hand if the two need to be blended somehow, such as surround channels being more dynamic in the LD.

I believe the LD audio is actually stereo, so it doesn’t use the surround channels at all. However it’s supposedly the original theatrical audio mix, whereas the DVD mix was a new one done for the DVD release. The Laserdisc audio is also supposed to be nearly lossless whereas the DVD has a compressed AC3 mix. The best option would be to include both. I’d bite the bullet but:
1.) I already spent too much on this movie importing the PAL DVD
2.) I don’t have a laserdisc player, or any of the equipment I would need to properly capture the audio.

The laserdisc has Dolby Surround encoded audio. The stereo soundtrack can be decoded to surround by any
receiver or pre-amp with prologic II. You get 4 channels: right, left, center and mono rear. I haven’t
heard it personally but it would be lossless and most likely the original theatrical audio mix.

Edit: I just purchased a copy of the laserdisc from Ebay. I will be able to provide a digital and analog copy
of the audio for the project. I’ll also check it out through my receiver and see what it sounds like decoded
to surround.

I don’t see “Dolby Surround” on the laserdisc back cover. Odd.

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Greg Z said:

Octorox said:

Hal 9000 said:

LD audio is better than the DVD? Do you know something about their history? I could try my hand if the two need to be blended somehow, such as surround channels being more dynamic in the LD.

I believe the LD audio is actually stereo, so it doesn’t use the surround channels at all. However it’s supposedly the original theatrical audio mix, whereas the DVD mix was a new one done for the DVD release. The Laserdisc audio is also supposed to be nearly lossless whereas the DVD has a compressed AC3 mix. The best option would be to include both. I’d bite the bullet but:
1.) I already spent too much on this movie importing the PAL DVD
2.) I don’t have a laserdisc player, or any of the equipment I would need to properly capture the audio.

The laserdisc has Dolby Surround encoded audio. The stereo soundtrack can be decoded to surround by any
receiver or pre-amp with prologic II. You get 4 channels: right, left, center and mono rear. I haven’t
heard it personally but it would be lossless and most likely the original theatrical audio mix.

Edit: I just purchased a copy of the laserdisc from Ebay. I will be able to provide a digital and analog copy
of the audio for the project. I’ll also check it out through my receiver and see what it sounds like decoded
to surround.

Absolute legend! Thank you so much!

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Bridger12 said:

Greg Z said:

Octorox said:

Hal 9000 said:

LD audio is better than the DVD? Do you know something about their history? I could try my hand if the two need to be blended somehow, such as surround channels being more dynamic in the LD.

I believe the LD audio is actually stereo, so it doesn’t use the surround channels at all. However it’s supposedly the original theatrical audio mix, whereas the DVD mix was a new one done for the DVD release. The Laserdisc audio is also supposed to be nearly lossless whereas the DVD has a compressed AC3 mix. The best option would be to include both. I’d bite the bullet but:
1.) I already spent too much on this movie importing the PAL DVD
2.) I don’t have a laserdisc player, or any of the equipment I would need to properly capture the audio.

The laserdisc has Dolby Surround encoded audio. The stereo soundtrack can be decoded to surround by any
receiver or pre-amp with prologic II. You get 4 channels: right, left, center and mono rear. I haven’t
heard it personally but it would be lossless and most likely the original theatrical audio mix.

Edit: I just purchased a copy of the laserdisc from Ebay. I will be able to provide a digital and analog copy
of the audio for the project. I’ll also check it out through my receiver and see what it sounds like decoded
to surround.

I don’t see “Dolby Surround” on the laserdisc back cover. Odd.

I got my info from the LaserDisc Database site.

https://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/03599/1117-AS/Brave-Little-Toaster-The

It says that both the digital and analog audio tracks are Dolby Surround encoded.
I should have taken a better look at the pictures of the back cover on Ebay. It doesn’t
say Dolby Surround anywhere on the cover, just stereo. I guess I’ll find out when the disc
arrives and I try decoding the stereo tracks.

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Greg Z said:

Bridger12 said:

Greg Z said:

Octorox said:

Hal 9000 said:

LD audio is better than the DVD? Do you know something about their history? I could try my hand if the two need to be blended somehow, such as surround channels being more dynamic in the LD.

I believe the LD audio is actually stereo, so it doesn’t use the surround channels at all. However it’s supposedly the original theatrical audio mix, whereas the DVD mix was a new one done for the DVD release. The Laserdisc audio is also supposed to be nearly lossless whereas the DVD has a compressed AC3 mix. The best option would be to include both. I’d bite the bullet but:
1.) I already spent too much on this movie importing the PAL DVD
2.) I don’t have a laserdisc player, or any of the equipment I would need to properly capture the audio.

The laserdisc has Dolby Surround encoded audio. The stereo soundtrack can be decoded to surround by any
receiver or pre-amp with prologic II. You get 4 channels: right, left, center and mono rear. I haven’t
heard it personally but it would be lossless and most likely the original theatrical audio mix.

Edit: I just purchased a copy of the laserdisc from Ebay. I will be able to provide a digital and analog copy
of the audio for the project. I’ll also check it out through my receiver and see what it sounds like decoded
to surround.

I don’t see “Dolby Surround” on the laserdisc back cover. Odd.

I got my info from the LaserDisc Database site.

https://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/03599/1117-AS/Brave-Little-Toaster-The

It says that both the digital and analog audio tracks are Dolby Surround encoded.
I should have taken a better look at the pictures of the back cover on Ebay. It doesn’t
say Dolby Surround anywhere on the cover, just stereo. I guess I’ll find out when the disc
arrives and I try decoding the stereo tracks.

The credits at the end of the film and LaserDisc mention Dolby Stereo so that is accurate to the films theatrical mix.

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So, the track will likely end up being LPCM 2.0, or something like that?

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Bridger12 said:

So, the track will likely end up being LPCM 2.0, or something like that?

Yes. Even if the audio turned out to be Dolby Surround encoded it would still be
captured as LPCM 2.0. The decoding to surround occurs during playback by the users’ receiver.
The digital audio on laserdisc is always 16 Bit 44.1 kHz LPCM. The analog audio can be
captured any way you want. I will capture it at 24 Bit 96 kHz.
Now I’m just hoping that the laserdisc has the original theatrical soundtrack.