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I always thought "Star Wars" in German sounded really cool. I think that the idea of keeping the title in German might be the best. But you could have a similar title to Star Wars in German. For instance, I thought, if you're doing all three films, and end up cutting out enough material that's not suitable for a WWII type edit, then perhaps you could restructure the films from 3 into 2. Then you could have something along the lines of "Star Wars: The Empire" and "Star Wars: The Rebellion" or something.

Sitting and typing this it sounds more confusing and less incredible than I thought. Anyway, "Stern Kriege: Das Reich" and "Stern Kriege: Der Aufstand". My German is pathetic so the "the" particles are probably wrong. Somebody else should come up with a title that sounds cool in German while still pertaining to the concept of this project.

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Laserman's idea of having the German's win WW2 and then continuing their quest for dominance into the stars is a great one. Also, I don't know why you don't just call it Star Wars.

War does not make one great.

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I thought Star Wars was already taken by somebody else.
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I just went to target and saw a 40 gig hardrive (portable!) for 180.99....I think thats what I'm going to get first.
I think I'm going to buy that DVD thing (the software that turns a CD burner into a DVD burner) if it turns out I can't burn DVD's with the computer I'm getting.
I'm positive I'm going to get that Adobe stuff, and using the portable hardrive, I'm going to download:
1.Download DVDShrink
2.virtualdubmod or virtualdub and avisynth - it is also free.
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4) Load the VOB file into virtualdub, make it B&W using the inbuilt filters and save it back out in a format that Premiere (or your editor of choice) can read

Which format might that be?
I think I'm going to use "War in the Stars" for it.
I did a draft title crawl using WMM, a star field, and TAKE 18 of the main theme. It sounds great!
But, I was wondering:
Since I'm not going for a super Highquality look, what setting should I save it under?
I.E.:Should I save it under "DV-AVI (NTSC)" ? Or "High quality video"
I know it must be NTSC.
Wow this sounds great. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get within the next few months:
Adobe Premier
and Aftereffects (anyone have a price estimate for these two things together?)
My new computer (free)
40 gig portable HD (it said it can save 10 hours of highquality video. Sound good to me...180.99 around)
I have the US copy of ANH with french audio tracks

All I need once again is the German copy of ANH (or ESB and ROTJ)
Oh! BTW at Target today, I saw a box of 3 dual-layer discs for 20.00...
Is it worth it, or should I just use single layer discs. I want to put extras on them, possibly trailers, and comparisons (jpg photos possibly)
Oh, and what I'm going to do, unless I DONT get DSL or Cable modem:
I might make a trailer, and put it on a single layer DVD and send it out!, mabe even with a few clips of changes I'm doing (IE:music changes, video changes....looking at how good DE's edit of ANH is [which I'm going to use some shots from, perferably the ones he toutched up, I'll be putting his name in the credits] and the special edition and originals, etc)
I want this to be a great DVD movie, with its share of great extras!
I was wondeing about that too...should I stick with the normal subtitle tracks, or change them around, and edit the dialouge and use the audio "for effect?" (BTW, I can add subtitle tracks and edit soundtracks with the adobe software, right?)
Thanks for the enthusiasiam!


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Originally posted by: WESHALLPRESERVE
I just went to target and saw a 40 gig hardrive (portable!) for 180.99....I think thats what I'm going to get first.

If you're going to get an extrernal hard drive, you can do much better than 40GB for that price. For example, I got a Lacie D2 that is 250GB for around $200. Lacie makes good products, shop around online a little bit. The reviews at Cnet are always helpful.

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Originally posted by: WESHALLPRESERVE
I just went to target and saw a 40 gig hardrive (portable!) for 180.99....I think thats what I'm going to get first.
I think I'm going to buy that DVD thing (the software that turns a CD burner into a DVD burner) if it turns out I can't burn DVD's with the computer I'm getting.
4) Load the VOB file into virtualdub, make it B&W using the inbuilt filters and save it back out in a format that Premiere (or your editor of choice) can read
Which format might that be?
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OK, first up, don't buy that software, it isn't real, it is just divx software that compresses video so that you can fit it onto a CD, it doesn't make your CD burner into a DVD burner. A DVD burner costs about US$50 so it isn't a big investment anyway.
As for formats, the best one to use for editing is a lossless format like huffyuv or similar - which is also free (it will be .avi but uses a lossless codec)
But be aware, one movie alone will weigh in at around 80GB, hence the need for a bigger drive.

40 gig portable HD (it said it can save 10 hours of highquality video. Sound good to me...180.99 around)

You can get a 160GB drive for that money, so shop around, or you can get an external HD case and put whatever normal hard disc you want in it (you just bolt it in and connect the cable - a monkey could do it) for even less.
40GB will be nowhere near enough, you will want at least 160GB - preferably 200 or 250gb, the price difference isn't huge.


Oh! BTW at Target today, I saw a box of 3 dual-layer discs for 20.00...
Is it worth it, or should I just use single layer discs. I want to put extras on them, possibly trailers, and comparisons (jpg photos possibly)


Forget about buying DL discs yet, they will only get cheaper and you literally won't be ready to burn one for months and months yet - this stuff is not quick or easy to do. Save your money and buy them when you are finished.

Your enthusiasm is to be admired, but don't get too far down the track before you start - get a PC and a big hard disc and get the DVD ripped down to a small low rez version first that is small and easy to work with. Focus on getting the story to work, work out your dialogue etc. lonf before you start doing any real work or worrying about DL discs, or trailers or extras or buying equipmet or any of that stuff.
Go over to www.doom9.org and join the forums and do a lot of reading - I wouldn't post anything there other than an introduction until you have read and learned a bit more, but everything you need to know about video and editing is over there, so sart absorbing away.

You can get a student version of premiere and AE, but adobe has 30day free trials from memory, so download those and make sure you can get your head around them before you shell out your cash. Maybe grab the "Adobe Premier classroom in a book" from your local bookshop.
And good luck! It is a lot of fun and a lot of hard work but can be very rewarding.
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Hmm...thing is.....
PLease tell me if I'm wrong:
I don't want this to be super DVD quality, just flim quality. I don't want to get the new DVD's and just add grain and scratches, because that looks stupid...to have a super clean and crisp picture, with an overlay on it.
The thing is, on the package of the 40gig HD, it said, it would be able to hold 10 2 hour movies, DVD quality...I just want to have one, if not 2 or 3 DVD quality movies on their...
is there somthing I'm missing, or not getting?
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If you compress the DVDs to around 4GB each, you might be able to fit 10 on there, but it doesnt seem like you're understanding that MPEG2 is very compressed video and if you compress it more to work with, then change it, and recompress it yet again, it's going to look like crap in a way you don't want it to.

That, and paying that much money for a $40 is just plain stupid.

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I think it's just a case of the bigger the better, for a hard drive. If you can afford 160G rather than 40G, get it. I mean, even if you do only use 40G for this project, you might need more for the next project. Why shortchange yourself (especially at that price)?
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"I don't want this to be super DVD quality, just flim quality."

"Film quality" is better.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I know they say you can fit 10 hours of super duper quality video on there, but in reality it isn't the case - it is called 'marketing'
A 2hr movie takes up about 7.5GB of space on DVD, so yeah you could fit nearly 10 hours of compressed finished product on there, but that is the rub - finished product takes up a hell of a lot less space than work in progress.

The need for a heap of disc space is for a couple of reasons.

1) Even at standard DVD quality, the finished version of your movie will take up around 7GB of space.
When editing, you will need to have a hell of a lot more space available to you. You need your source footage stored at all time to be able to edit it - so lock out around 7-10GB for that. You need the same amount of space again to put out any edited version that you create, so even compressed there is now around 20GB gone. You also need room to save all your project files, work in progress and 'tests' where you might put out 5 or six different version s of a scene to see what works and what doesn't.
You need double that space again to be able to multipass encode it back to DVD, (around 15-20GB) so your 40GB hard disc is now full, and that is if you a) Work in a heavily compressed format, losing quality every time you touch it - b) Can somehow amazingly get the job done first go c) Save only one version of your project.

2) Most editing systems won't even allow you to edit MPEG2 video directly - this means that you have to uncompress it in some way to edit it - so it takes up a lot more space. If you compress it into something else to edit it, then the editing process is *painful*as your editing software gets very slow decompressing and recompressing every time you make a change - that is why those new MP4video cameras suck - just adding a fade is instant when using uncompressed video, but MP4 compressed video it takes up to 5-10minutes just to add a crossfade! Some systems do allow you to edit MPEG2 directly, but it isn't a lot of fun to work that way.

Basically to edit an entire movie, you will want about 5 times the space the film takes up, this is because you end up rendering out lots of different versions and having lots of saved projects, as you will often try something that doesn't quite work, or part of it works etc. and you keep comparing versions, keeping bits of one or another as you go, maybe going down a path for a week before reverting back to what you did originally etc. You will be astounded how much space you eat up in a short period of time.
I have just over a TB taken up with X0 files so far and am constantly having to remove stuff to get space to continue working.

The only analogy I can think of is that a finished novel might be 800 pages, but how many pages (digital or otherwise) do you think they went through to get to that end result?

Besides all of that, you can get at least a 160GB drive for thsame money, so why buy a 40GB one?

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Thanks for all the helpful information.
Ok...I'm going to save up for a 160 gig, or MORE hardrive, perferably external.
I'm not sure, but the computer I'm going to get from my uncle had like 15 computer games installed and like 3 hardrives, so I bet I might have enough space afterall...

I skimmed through ANH 2 days ago and this is what I came up with for the subtitle changes.

Darth Vader: If this is a diplomatic mission, then where is the diplomat?

Leia: Darth Vader, only you could be so bold. The Council of Nations will not distill for this...

Obi-Wan: For ahundred genorations, the Jedi were............throught the world and its colonies. Before the dark times...before Hitler...

Luke: You faught in the Great Wars?

Leia message:....years ago you served my father in theGreat Wars...
The Alderann cololny has failed...

Imperial guy: Dangerous to your Panzer fleet division, not to this battlestation...

Imperial guy 2: The rebellion will continue to gain a support in the council of nations-

Tarkin:The Leauge of Nations will be of no concern to us. I have just recived word that Germany has exited the council permantly. The last remants of the "German Republic" have been swept away.
Imperial guy: Thats impossible, how would the führer maintain control without the beurocracy?

Obi-Wan: We are ment to think they did. These tracks are side by side, Sand people march single file, to hide their numbers.......only German StormTroopers, could be so precise.

And so on.
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See , this is fun!

Not sure if I'd go with Panzer Fleet division, although it really just means 'armour' so I guess it works.

Good idea to wait and see what is in the PC box before buying anymore gear - who knows what it holds.

In the meantime - I just couldn't resist


fu·ror n. A general commotion; public disorder or uproar.

füh·rer n. A leader, especially one exercising the powers of a tyrant. [German, from Middle High German vüerer, from vüeren, to lead, from Old High German fuoren.]
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Ok, thanks!
I'm going to fix it. I was in a rush to type it all out.
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Some suggestions:

If you're going to have all the dialogue in French and/or German, the title should be in that language too - I suggest French, as they'll be the heroes. I don't think you should just use "La Guerre des Etoiles", though, the title should somehow reflect the WWIII idea.

If it's meant to be like an old French war movie, you should have French subtitles for the German and English dialogue in the 2.35:1 area (over the picture) and English subs outside the 2.35:1 area (in the black "letterbox" area) - but you might want to keep these inside 1.78:1 for those with 16:9 TV sets.

The crawl should also be in French with English subs.
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Originally posted by: WESHALLPRESERVE

I have figured out some of the things I WILL do.

1.Black and white
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6. Using a copy of the programs someone sends to me, I'm going to re-rotoscope ALL the lukes lightsaber scenes (if thats possible) to the same blue color that Obi-wans is.


Given #1, I think you'll find #6 unnecessary.
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Lol!
Yeah I messed up.
I'm slowly thinking of what the process I'm going to do will be.
I'm getting alot of neat ideas.
The computer I'm gonna get has No DVD burner for the record, so I'm going to have to buy one with christmas money....can anyone reccomend some great ones that I could get at a Target or COMPUSA?
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If theres anyone that could post a french version of the crawl that would be great...but as seeing I'm still changing the crawl time and time again, that may be best suited for later (tword the end of the process)
I was wondering...I'snt there some set......(I dont know exactly) some LD set that has english,french, and german?(on seperate tracks of cource)
Is there such a thing?
If I can get a copy...that'll be great. And I'm not talking about a torrent (I wish I could...but I cant download stuff) actually physical copies.
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Hmmm...
Also, about that french thing...
I think I'm just going to have english subtitles throught the entire movie, on the black box (bottom) of cource...
I'm not aiming for a "french" movie, more of a nuetral "format". I'll have subitiles for the english men and women (yes, the ESB rebel controller "Stand By Ion Cannon").
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Just about any DVD burner will do, might as well get an internal one, it is mega easy to swap out the existing CD drive and put the DVD burner in.
Just don't pay more than around $US40, the NEC one here is a nice unit.
http://stores.tomshardware.com/home_catpage.php/catzero=6
Or the new pioneer drives are very quick. Really though, most burners are just fine.
English subtitles makes sense, I'd PM Rikter re different versions that are available on DVD-R , he can put you on the right path.
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Thanks for the help laserman. Hopefully you'll make a speedy recovery and come right back to help all us out.
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BTW, I like that crawl you made up earlier, I'll be putting that in the final product:

Galaxy Wars

Defeating the allies in WWII, in victory Germany conquered the rest of the world.

Still hungry for Empire, the early V2 program evolved into immense war machines, and from these spaceships they colonised and ruled the galaxy.
With an iron fist, they maintained a relative peace for Millennia, rulling the entire world and expanding their conquest.
During this time, resistance to the evil empire remained, and stregnthend. (my spelling is horrible)

It is now a period of civil war. (I love this one line)

American, British and French rebels, striking from a hidden base have won their first victory against the evil German Empire.

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I love this!
Thanks so much Laserman!
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Does anyone have any other neat ideas I might be able to put in the flim? If their big enough, I will post your name (username or otherwise) in the credits.