Responses from the last two pages
I got this idea in my head as I was doing some finishing touches on the last duel and the ending, and… well, see for yourself:
So, that’s what I spent the last two hours on. I just had to put it together to see if this is something we should chase or leave alone. It’s probably too fanedit-y and radical too be included, but worth giving a shot.
Love this, personally. And I don’t think it’s too “fanedit-y” at all if it improves the flow and logic of the original material. The second rescue is far better, imo, and I don’t think it’s feasible to keep both in a TV-to-movie edit.
Exactly. Cheers, brother. Tell me how you feel about the new transition. Maybe this will be the new rescue.
Making Haja bad guy?
What? No. I’m confused. Haja is helping Obi-Wan like in the original series, just to a greater (and more engaging) degree (if we’re talking about the alternate rescue idea).
I was wondering - it’d probably necessitate some VFX work alongside some sound effects reconstruction and flipping some shots for continuity/180-degree rule - if there’s a way to reconstruct the duel so it ENDS with Ben getting buried, Vader walking off, and Ben escaping the hole and leaving the planet.
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This is a very, very interesting idea, and something that could be pulled off. Let me look into it as soon as we’ve decided on going after the alternate rescue idea or not, so that I don’t work on two major changes at once.
Also, my only fear is that the edit becomes too radical and fanedit-y if I go buttshit crazy and start re-arranging both the rescue AND the ending (and the ending totally works for me either way, though this is a BETTER idea than the original mesa thinks).
i haven’t read through every post on this thread, so sorry if i repeat something…
that Leia chase edit looks great. no chase, she just gets a hood slipped over her from behind. i’m sure others will agree that the second Leia chase needs some real restructuring. it look like Reva is chasing them at first, and then i guess she gets lost or something?
is it too much to hope that someone out there can make the grand inquisitor look like a Pau’an, like he is supposed to be? yeah, i know. that would be a lot of work…
Unfortunately I won’t be doing VFX work for the Inquisitor. Live-action and animation often takes liberties and thinking about, everything in Rebels is thinner, hahaha! Just look at the sabers. Tiny, little sticks! There’s the explanation! Haha!
i would lighten Luke’s hair, if it’s possible. that’s probably nitpicking, but people’s hair generally gets darker as they get older, not lighter.
Interesting point. I could do that.
i really want to see Vader kill Reva after their fight. no, not because i hate her or something. it just doesn’t make sense for Vader to let her live. it didn’t even make sense that he let her live for any period of time, since he knows that she knows who he is. i actually ended up liking her character arc, even though it was so predictable, but Vader has always killed anyone who even finds out who he is. the only problem is that i’m pretty sure Disney wants to use Reva in other projects, so it probably wouldn’t be a canon-worthy edit.
It’s up to interpretation whether she dies or not. She’s left fatally wounded in my edit.
i think it would make more sense for Reva to be sneaking up behind Vader right at the moment that the second ship is escaping. it would be a smarter move for Reva to attack as he’s distracted, and it would make it look like he’s too occupied to grab the second ship with the force.
This is the way it is in the edit - made up my mind the moment i saw how badly executed her plan was.
i’d like to see the the Vader/Kenobi fight without cutaways. it’s distracting. it also doesn’t make sense that Kenobi seemingly instantaneously travels to Tatooine when he senses Reva is already two feet away from Luke. maybe Obi-Wan is already leaving the planet him and Darth fought on, when he senses the first moment that Reva shows up at “Skywalker Ranch.” it would at least seem like it took a little more time for him to travel through space.
No cut-aways.
oh, and the de-aging.
De-aging is done.
just my two cents. i’m really looking forward to your edits, and any Kenobi edits. i think with a little bit of tweaking this could be a worthy addition to the Star Wars universe.
Those are some great arguments. And thank you for your support - as always.
The line (“I killed Anakin Skywalker”) will be reinstated, and your arguments for it are very good. It allows obi-wan to put his guilt behind him, and not consider his friend completely gone.
Beautiful.
“It’s beautiful” - Director Krennic
I agree: we can reintroduce that line and leave out the rest!
I’m so glad that you’re working on this. The writing had so many logic issues and plot holes that I ended up really not liking the series - even though I admit it has cool moments…it’s as if cool moments were all they were after though. I’m excited to see how this turns out!
Thank you for that, my friend. Always appreciated. I hope it gives you a good time.
This is something I put together in the other Kenobi redux thread, just in case it could be relevant to this project in some way:
I was one of those suckers who was actually really excited for Obi-Wan Kenobi (2022) because Deborah Chow and Kelley DIxon’s work on Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad fuckin’ rule. Needless to say, that was a bit misguided.
I don’t think I’m going to do the whole show, but it was just a fun little experiment. The edit isn’t supposed to be like BB/BCS fwiw, just approaching the material with some of the storytelling philosophy I learned from them.
At the very least, Deborah Chow’s sensibilities as a director were still conducive to being arranged in this way so at least some of my excitement wasn’t unfounded
I liked that a lot, NFBisms. A lot. The soundmixing work was very delightful - and the tone and execution of the pacing of the cuts mirroring the trauma and chaotic feeling of Obi-Wan’s mind and heart was beautiful. As a total admirer of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul myself (give ut the last half of season 6, you bastards!) this was definitely in their spirit.
I would have no reason NOT to include this into my edit for any other reason than that it might break with the flow and tone of the rest of the film (/series). However, this could be fixed by me adding a simple soundtrack here and there (thinking the Kenobi Theme - somber version) just to make it “feel” like the rest of the Kenobi film. However, I’ve never borrowed anything from a faneditor before and always like to do my own thing, but this is just… it’s good, man. It’s good.
What does people think? I’m both for and against.
I am intrigued by the idea of intercutting the Anakin and Obi wan flashback with the climactic duel, especially if one removes or diminishes the Reva/Luke subplot…
Too be honest, the Jabiin segment is so lackluster in suspense and momentum that the flashback sequence is perfect there as it adds another dimension to the Second Act. A very welcome addition in other words. Therefore I won’t go with this idea - although it is a brilliant one!
Theme that you may want to check out:
Definitely a good one, but I’ve already settled on the duel as it is more or less finished.
It would have worked better if a Sandperson did attack and Reva saved Luke. I wish she had lost the saber in the previous episode. When Luke lights up his new saber in ANH wouldn’t he be all “wow that’s like that red one that crazy lady my Aunt and Uncle scared off had… I thought I dreamt it” otherwise the whole sequence is pointlessly distracting. The show is about Kenobi not some child torturing dudes and dudettes. It’s all making redemption very cheap.
True. But I won’t have to deal with that, as all of Reeva is cut in EP 6 - for the better of both continuity and sanity.
I’m a little behind on this thread after this latest episode, so pardon me if this has been done or said already.
I’ve thoroughly enjoyed this whole series and loved this episode as well for multiple reasons but the one thing I immediately thought of modifying while watching the episode that I believe would enhance the scene was adding a bit more of Vader’s voice to the mix in the post duel scene. Specifically when he says “I did…” to more thematically depict Vader as the one responsible for Anakin’s death. I tried to keep it fairly subtle but am open to critique if anyone has any suggestions or feedback.
I added a tad more to the following line “…the same way I will destroy you” as well but kept it much lower in the mix until ‘you’.
Interesting idea. I like it as is, but I like your approach as well. Let me think about it.
Just remember, this is your edit … make it how YOU want. We can give advice, but in the end it is just advice.
I completely agree. Anjohan, we all have different interpretations about what should have happen in the ending (and in the show in general), but I also think that you should do what you ultimately think it’s right. The same thing goes for the piano theme. Personally it doesn’t resonates with me, but the song is meaningful to you, so I strongly think that you should keep it, as well as the other changes that you think that fits better the tone of the movie.
Thank you for that, my friend. Support is always appreciated, whether it be a good idea or a disagreement in good spirit.
And about the reason why Kenobi leaves Vader alive… In the end, it really is what it is. As Kaweebo said, it’s hard to think a way to edit that to make sense, even more because this is a conservative edit. I already thought about a way to make this work in a way thet differs from the tone of ROTS, but I don’t know if it would work and it would require a ton of editing, and too many changes would deviate from the intent of this edit. I commented about adding the Qui Gon voice saying that Anakin is the chosen one, but I also understand your point about the Qui Gon surprise at the end, that he can be shown to Ben because just now he overcome his struggles. It’s really subjective.
True. That’s the best way to say it, really - It is what it is. It’s done.
There is the possibility of going for the more radical route as suggested up above (responded to in this very post), but I’m unsure of how much I want to change things. Especially when the ending works for me and many others the way it is now.
To be sincere, in the end, I’m just happy to have a good edit of the show available to the public. You made changes that I found excellent to make this show be more like a true star wars product, like the re-escore, the star wars fades around the film and cutting the bad production-wise stuff, so I’m really satisfied with just that 😄
Once again, thank you.
Anjohan said:
I hope the removal of the lines “I killed Anakin Skywalker” and “Then my friend is truly dead” will help clarify to the audience that Obi-Wan still sees his friend in there and that killing him is just not in his heart. Thank you for a great assesment of the problem.You’re gutting the whole series of its emotional climax! Too many faneditors get so caught up in their desire to preserve canon and continuity that they will sacrifice important thematic elements of a story. This whole series is about Obi-wan being haunted by his sense of guilt over Anakin and then finally being released from that guilt. It was a powerful moment of catharsis truly unrivaled by the rest of the series. An editor’s first priority should be helping a good story come to the fore. I also think a good fanedit works with the original vision of the media, not against it. You are trying to fix something that ostensibly breaks the OT, but I assure you, you cannot make the OT one bit better or worse with this edit; you can only improve the material that you’re working with.
I agree with this, and honestly I don’t see him not finishing Vader off as an issue. Sure, he recognizes that Anakin is gone, but recognizing it is one thing, and striking the killing blow himself is another. He couldn’t do it on Mustafar, and I think he still couldn’t do it here.
Exactly.
Just remember, this is your edit … make it how YOU want. We can give advice, but in the end it is just advice.
I completely agree. Anjohan, we all have different interpretations about what should have happen in the ending (and in the show in general), but I also think that you should do what you ultimately think it’s right. The same thing goes for the piano theme. Personally it doesn’t resonates with me, but the song is meaningful to you, so I strongly think that you should keep it, as well as the other changes that you think that fits better the tone of the movie.
Thank you for that, my friend. Support is always appreciated, whether it be a good idea or a disagreement in good spirit.
And about the reason why Kenobi leaves Vader alive… In the end, it really is what it is. As Kaweebo said, it’s hard to think a way to edit that to make sense, even more because this is a conservative edit. I already thought about a way to make this work in a way thet differs from the tone of ROTS, but I don’t know if it would work and it would require a ton of editing, and too many changes would deviate from the intent of this edit. I commented about adding the Qui Gon voice saying that Anakin is the chosen one, but I also understand your point about the Qui Gon surprise at the end, that he can be shown to Ben because just now he overcome his struggles. It’s really subjective.
True. That’s the best way to say it, really - It is what it is. It’s done.
There is the possibility of going for the more radical route as suggested up above (responded to in this very post), but I’m unsure of how much I want to change things. Especially when the ending works for me and many others the way it is now.
To be sincere, in the end, I’m just happy to have a good edit of the show available to the public. You made changes that I found excellent to make this show be more like a true star wars product, like the re-escore, the star wars fades around the film and cutting the bad production-wise stuff, so I’m really satisfied with just that 😄
Once again, thank you.
I think getting rid of Ben’s “my friend really is dead” line is enough. Vader believing he’s “killed” the part of himself that is Anakin works just fine.
Agreed. And change already done. Thank you for your input.