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Anjohan
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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [The Radical "Help Me Obi-Wan Kenobi" Cut]
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23-Jun-2022, 7:22 PM

Kenobi: A Star Wars Story it is. Thanks, guys.

Rebel Scummm said:

Hi Anjohan. Your edit sounds EPIC!!! I can´t wait to watch it.

For me, just “Obi-Wan Kenobi”. Shorter and to the point. With nothing else to distract from what it is really about. Personally I prefer to always keep the original titles.

Greetings from Lima, Peru.

Chris

Thank you, Rebel Scumm. Appreciated!

Since most people voted for A Star Wars Story, I went with that. Thank you for your input nevertheless!

Omni said:

Very interesting suggestion in the last page by Nells talking about moving Obi-Wan meeting Luke to before he even leaves rather than leave it being one of the last scenes in the show. For starters, it would ease continuity since now Owen goes from not trusting Ben at the start of the show, to trusting him, to not trusting him by the original film. Why is that?

But it might be tonally jarring to have uplift Ben that early on. Something to think about, though.

Exactly. You nailed it in the very last sentence of your post. Way too upbeat next to the overall grim face of Kenobi in the opening sections of the film. Great idea, but the tone would suffer for sure.

Darth Raditz said:

Thank you for all your work, Anhojan. Take as much time as you need in polishing this edit.

Thank you for that, Raditz. Greatly appreciated.

I don’t question why Obi-Wan left Vader to die on Mustafar since (thanks to this series) Obi-Wan thought Vader died there anyway. As for in the moment of the duel, chopping off your “brother’s” limbs & watch him get set on fire has got to be pretty traumatic, even for a Jedi Master like Obi-Wan, so I don’t blame him for not wanting to do the deed then & there, much less risking smoke inhalation from the planet.

With the final duel here, I have a lot more problems. On top of taking place in a much safer environment, Vader is beaten by Obi-Wan AND basically absolves Obi-Wan of having killed Anakin Skywalker. By not killing Vader, Obi-Wan’s no responsible for all the people Vader will kill in the future. You have to do something to address it.

I think you can include Qui-Gon’s line about Anakin being the Chosen One if you remove Obi-Wan’s line about Anakin being truly dead. Obi-Wan saying “Goodbye, Darth,” will suffice.

Also, I second “Kenobi: A Star Wars Story.”

This is a great point, shared by you and countless others. Your suggestion (along with a few others) is a good one, and I will simply address the issue by removing the line “Then my friend is truly dead” (as suggested by others). Removing the line will help clarify that Obi-Wan still sees Anakin behind that mask, and that killing him is just not something he is capable of.

regularjoe said:

Re names, my edit is planned to be two parts, part 1 is A Princess in Peril and part 2 is going to be The Children of the Jedi.

I wish you good luck with your edit! Two-parter sounds interesting. I assume you’ll be using Episode 4 in your edit.

Kaweebo said:

Anjohan said:

What about Obi-Wan not killing Anakin?

Well, as I’ve now answered the point about Qui-Gon, I always interpreted this scene that Obi-Wan felt he had inflicted enough damage on his old friend. I never once questioned why he left him like he did on Mustafar, but having heard you guys debate it over and over again have made me wonder if this is a huge problem for most? If so, I’m open to more ideas…

The problem is, I’m not sure how you COULD fix this. Because yes I am in the camp that it simply does not make sense Obi-Wan would let him live again because that means he’s deferring to having Luke do it when he’s older. Why would he pressure Luke to kill Vader later on if he had the chance to do it TWICE? Once in RotS is understandable, I think he genuinely thought he was going to die there on Mustafar. But here it just makes him look moronic at best and downright irresponsible at worst.

But again, I don’t think there’s a way to edit that to make it make sense. A problem with these new shows is that unlike movies (usually, looking at you TROS…) there’s generally no deleted scenes released for them, so even if they filmed a different version, we’ll never get to see it.

Your argument stands really valid, and I hope the removal of the lines “I killed Anakin Skywalker” and “Then my friend is truly dead” will help clarify to the audience that Obi-Wan still sees his friend in there and that killing him is just not in his heart. Thank you for a great assesment of the problem.

CMMAP said:

Darth Raditz said:
With the final duel here, I have a lot more problems. On top of taking place in a much safer environment, Vader is beaten by Obi-Wan AND basically absolves Obi-Wan of having killed Anakin Skywalker. By not killing Vader, Obi-Wan’s no responsible for all the people Vader will kill in the future. You have to do something to address it.

This is the problem of this series to begin with. How would one tell this kind of story given the frame from the OT? I can’t think of anything worthwile.
The „Obi-Wan inflicted enough pain to his former friend“ argument is one i can live with.

True and true. They have wandered into sketchy territory, and although i really like Leia and Obi-Wan’s relationship, it does create a few questions upon watching A New Hope.

I hope the removal of Luke’s encounter with Reeva and the plot armour lines between Vader and Kenobi (as stated twice above in this post) will bring you closer to what you would perceive a more “canon” cut. Thank you for your feedback.

CMMAP said:

Anjohan said:

What about the Piano Theme?.

If you feel so strongly about including it, „dew it“. It‘s your edit, we have to respect that.

“Obi-Wan Kenobi: A Star Wars Story” or “Obi-Wan Kenobi?”

I vote Kenobi: A Star Wars Story.

Kenobi: A Star Wars Story it is. Thanks as always, CMMAP. 😃 I am not totally determined to keep it as of yet - I will need until release to give it a second thought or two.

Kaweebo said:

CMMAP said:

Darth Raditz said:
With the final duel here, I have a lot more problems. On top of taking place in a much safer environment, Vader is beaten by Obi-Wan AND basically absolves Obi-Wan of having killed Anakin Skywalker. By not killing Vader, Obi-Wan’s no responsible for all the people Vader will kill in the future. You have to do something to address it.

This is the problem of this series to begin with. How would one tell this kind of story given the frame from the OT? I can’t think of anything worthwile.
The „Obi-Wan inflicted enough pain to his former friend“ argument is one i can live with.

I appreciated some of the things in the duel acting as foreshadowing for their duel in ANH; Vader sarcastically calling Obi-Wan “master,” Obi-Wan calling Vader “Darth,” and the scene where Vader tells Kenobi that he killed Anakin himself all really worked for me on principle. While I’ve accepted the idea that Mustafar was the last time they met for 15 years, there was definitely room for them to have had another encounter in the meantime.

If the circumstances of HOW they got there were better, this show would have been a welcome addition to my canon for the story. As is, I’d rather it not even have been made.

I hope this edit brings it closer to your canon.

DZ-330 said:

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

Anjohan said:

“Obi-Wan Kenobi: A Star Wars Story” or “Obi-Wan Kenobi?”

Kenobi: A Star Wars Story

Agreed. “A Star Wars Story” to imply it’s an official movie and “Kenobi” to help show it is a shortened version of the show.

Done.

Acbagel said:

I salute you on your efforts, thanks for the update post! Can’t wait to see the finished product.

I am in full support of everything in your latest update.

Anjohan said:

What about Obi-Wan not killing Anakin?

Well, as I’ve now answered the point about Qui-Gon, I always interpreted this scene that Obi-Wan felt he had inflicted enough damage on his old friend. I never once questioned why he left him like he did on Mustafar, but having heard you guys debate it over and over again have made me wonder if this is a huge problem for most? If so, I’m open to more ideas…

This is the last thing that does bug me a bit. Here’s my suggestion… Save the end of Obi-Wan & Anakin’s fight from “AotC” for the end of the final fight between Obi-Wan & Vader in Episode 6. Instead of Obi-Wan saying “Then my friend is truly dead,” (this is the line that confuses me, because if that statement were true, then why would you not kill him here to protect Luke and Leia?) and instead have Obi-Wan complete his reflection on their duel as student & master. This way it comes across as trying to teach Vader the lesson he tried to teach Anakin long ago instead of a strange contradiction of his words and actions, and it brings a conclusion to the flashbacks we saw in the Episode 5 content. To compliment this change, also change the end of the Episode 3 duel by having Vader say his “The years have made you weak” line as Obi-Wan is rescued by the robot, further showing that Vader didn’t want to fight a weakling Obi-Wan.

Now, at the end of the series with these changes, Vader & Obi-Wan’s relationship has developed into something more complicated & co-dependent. Vader won’t kill Ben because he wants to fight him at his best, & Ben won’t kill Vader because he still considers Anakin his friend, he wants him to grow & gain the wisdom that Ben knows he’s capable of learning.

“Obi-Wan Kenobi: A Star Wars Story” or “Obi-Wan Kenobi?”

“Kenobi”

Wow. That idea could really work. My only concern is that the “20 minute” or so gap between the previous flashback and then the climax of it might be a tad too long. Let me give it a thought. I could definitely see the emotional value in doing that. I just fear the time passed since the “flashbacks” were truly relevant might make it feel a little bit abrupt after the duel. Hmm!

Either way, the lines “I killed Anakin Skywalker” and “Then my friend is truly dead” will go away either way, as most people have a problem with the execution of the ending dialogue between them - and I totally see why, although it was not an issue for me.

danieldubb said:

everything is looking great here… I was just curious if anyone else didnt like the obi wan flying rocks part?.. just doesnt feel right to me somehow… a small nitpick but just curious

I’ll keep it. The emotional value of seeing Obi-Wan buttkick Anakin’s arse after one hour straight of tormenting Obi-Wan is just too sweet to remove. I’d argue with anyone that we shouldn’t even give the Sequel Trilogy a THOUGHT about it being mirrored or “done before”. The sequels did so little right that when new content comes along and actually do do it right, then we should keep it. Here it is done right imo.

Kaweebo said:

Acbagel said:

Ben won’t kill Vader because he still considers Anakin his friend, he wants him to grow & gain the wisdom that Ben knows he’s capable of learning.

That still doesn’t work since he is adamant in Return of the Jedi that Luke must strike his father down, even going so far as to say when Luke says he can’t, “then the Emperor has already won.”

Perhaps because Ben never intended for Luke to defeat Vader? At the end of Kenobi he literally tells Owen that the faith of the boy is in Owen’s hands, and that he was right to protect the boy from the broader picture. It seems to be faith that brings Ben and Luke back together - evident by how shocked and surprised and ill-prepared Ben is when faced with questions about “my father”.

MalaStrana#2 said:

Acbagel said:

Ben won’t kill Vader because he still considers Anakin his friend, he wants him to grow & gain the wisdom that Ben knows he’s capable of learning.

I see that lackluster writing is still being patched by fans with assumptions never sustained by anything in the actual show…
The only reason Ben doesn’t kill Vader is because Vader needs to be alive at this point of the lore. That’s the only reason. Anything else is only fan theories that the tvshow makers never thought about giving or implying any kind of explanation 👀

Totally agree with you. I won’t derail this thread any further with hatred for the money-hungry Disney and their complete lack of vision and planning - and stating points about how badly executed Disney Star Wars has been as far as the new trilogy is concerned is like beating a dead horse at this point. The fans shouldn’t be tasked by almost always having to force things to make sense - it is, unfortunfately, bad writing. It is. But! It creates great passion and discussions for something we all love; Star Wars. 😃

DZ-330 said:

Another reason it should just be titled “Kenobi” is because he is already using the name Ben.

Interesting take. I like it.