The Kenobi Movie Show (Spoilers) — Page 50

Bridger12 said:

One thing I’ve noticed with modern Star Wars opinions among the fan base is that for the most part, if a show or movie stars characters from the mainline Skywalker Saga, then it’s bad. If it doesn’t, and only has them in cameos, then it’s good.

That’s completely incorrect. Legacy characters have just proven to be the main thing that new Lucasfilm cannot do justice with…they don’t get it and they are arguably damaging the intelligence or subtle uniqueness of the characters that we’ve already known for years. I didn’t go into Kenobi thinking it will be “bad” because it’s a Skywalker Saga character…but low and behold, they dropped the ball completely imo. 4/10. And I really wanted to love this, it was my hope after seeing Boba ruined in TBOBF.

I mean, some people may “auto-hate” when they know a legacy character will show up, but it’s not this black and white situation in the fan base.

I just wish the fanbase wasn’t so passionate and entitled all the time, because that’s the mentality of the Sith.

Bridger12 said:

I just wish the fanbase wasn’t so passionate and entitled all the time, because that’s the mentality of the Sith.

What?

Fan_edit_fan said:

Bridger12 said:

I just wish the fanbase wasn’t so passionate and entitled all the time, because that’s the mentality of the Sith.

What?

The Sith rely on their passion for their strength. They think inwards, only about themselves.

That mentality is what led to people actually coming up with a campaign to remake The Last Jedi.

Bridger12 said:

Fan_edit_fan said:

Bridger12 said:

I just wish the fanbase wasn’t so passionate and entitled all the time, because that’s the mentality of the Sith.

What?

The Sith rely on their passion for their strength. They think inwards, only about themselves.

That mentality is what led to people actually coming up with a campaign to remake The Last Jedi.

Haha…ok. 👍

So I gave it another watch and enjoyed it much more this time. Even the soundtrack and production quality didn’t bother me that much anymore.

I really liked how the show is structured like the first six films, with each episode mirroring one film. However, it did hurt the overall narrative, which was the most glaring in the fourth episode. Ironically, I enjoyed this episode much more in my initial watch, but now think it is mostly filler and repeating earlier story beats (i.e. having to rescue Leia again).

Speaking of filler, I think most of the first episode is actually unnecessary as well and can be scrapped completely. I fired up my video editor and took those scenes with Leia being stuck in the spaceship with the thugs and the leader talking to Reva into a small prologue and then went straight to the second episode. It worked surprisingly well and made for a refreshing and fast paced start. Everything is introduced much more organically. The tension between the inquisitors actually drive the plot forward. I’m thinking of making a single fast-paced story that gets rid of most of the first and last episode and focuses more on the Kenobi and Leia escaping the empire.

However, it still is pretty hard to edit the show into a single cohesive movie. Each episode is very distinct with its own tone and climax. And every episode aside from maybe the first and fourth is already pretty tightly edited. It was easy to combine the second and third episode. But the fourth episode drags everything down. The interrogation is way too long and they are rescuing Leia again. But it’s all necessary to set up the next episode.

I really like the show and it’s a good addition to the universe. It makes call backs, but tonally tries to do new things. The score really grew on me and I am glad they made something distinct and didn’t just recycle Williams. The show is not perfect. There a things that drag it down, but when it’s good it’s really great. I guess it’s similar to the Hobbit movies in this regard and will probably result in lots of fan edits in the coming years.

MalaStrana#2 said:

Bridger12 said:

Fan_edit_fan said:

Bridger12 said:

I just wish the fanbase wasn’t so passionate and entitled all the time, because that’s the mentality of the Sith.

What?

The Sith rely on their passion for their strength. They think inwards, only about themselves.

That mentality is what led to people actually coming up with a campaign to remake The Last Jedi.

You seem to confuse everything… and to make generalizations and assumptions that land flat.

I rest my case.

Anybody mind if I offer a joint to anybody who feels they need it after reading this thread? I’m not a good roller, but I’m trying.

BedeHistory731 said:

Anybody mind if I offer a joint to anybody who feels they need it after reading this thread? I’m not a good roller, but I’m trying.

I’m on my way!

I’ll also be providing high-strength edibles.

Randy Feltface is one of my favorite comedians.

NeverarGreat said:

Omni said:

Guess now we know why Leia’s lightsaber resembles Obi-Wan’s and she named her son Ben 😃

Hey that’s a good connection!

RL, I was reminded of the GOT scene on Tatooine, it felt like I was listening to a Radio Drama because there was literally nothing visible on screen.

Also, another thing that baffled me was why Obi-wan thought his plan to divert Vader’s attention would work, and also why it did.

Like, Obi-wan knew that Vader had a personal shuttle with which to pursue him in alone, and also had the Grand Inquisitor with which to continue pursuit of the refugees. Yet Vader just diverts the entire Star Destroyer to follow Obi-wan and then just leaves it behind and says that he will now follow Obi-wan alone in his ship. Baffling.

Not really baffling. We see Vader do the exact same thing in TESB. He orders his whole fleet to pursue the Falcon into the asteroid field. And at that moment it is faster to have the Star Destroyer go after Kenobi rather than get in a shuttle or Tie fighter. Kenobi knows what motivated Anakin and Vader is even more obsessive. Until corrected by the Emperor.

MalaStrana#2 said:

Vader, episode 3: « I am what you made me. »

Vader, episode 6: « You didn’t fail Anakin. I killed Anakin. »

This fucking show isn’t even internally consistent. It’s incredible how badly written this shit is…

(Just waiting for basic fans to explain « he meant what he is in a physical state not his psychological state. It fits perfectly. It bridges PT to OT perfectly » 😂)

In episode 3 Vader is referring to his suit. In episode 6 he is referring to his fall. Two totally different topics.

FrederikOlsen said:

Ava G. said:

Agreed, it would be fun to see a movie edit of the series. I’d love an extra movie to watch to bridge the trilogies.

I won’t write a full review, because I’m tired. But I will say that the finale was awesome, and made me emotional.

The end of that duel. OMG. Vader was the pitiable and broken horror villain Lucas always wanted him to be viewed as.

Obi-Wan goes through so much character development and finally transforms into the wise and hopeful Alec Guinness version.

I’ll admit, watching Obi-Wan’s eyes get teary when he saw Anakin’s broken face got to me. At its best, that scene included, Obi-Wan Kenobi has recontextualised the PT for me to a point where I’m cool with it. I don’t consider them very good films, but just months ago, I was basically in the “deny they exist” camp.

I’m not 100% into Leia and Obi-Wan having this close a relationship when her hologram in Star Wars makes no reference to that, but I can live with it. It’s no worse than the passionate kiss between siblings where one party has “always known”, Yoda supposedly training Obi-Wan, or Leia remembering her real mother. Some backpedaling is to be expected with Star Wars, and it’s been that way since 1999, really.

I would also have wished the cinematography would’ve been brighter. Dark scenes are fine, but this was the climax! But I’m noting this is a trend with shows that are shot and processed for HDR in general. Hopefully it’ll pass eventually.

Yes, people seem to want the blackest blacks on their OLED TV’s. Nonsense really. Just be natural. I did my first watch on my phone and I could see everything. Probably watching it next on my HDTV. Hope it isn’t too dark.

MalaStrana#2 said:

yotsuya said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

Vader, episode 3: « I am what you made me. »

Vader, episode 6: « You didn’t fail Anakin. I killed Anakin. »

This fucking show isn’t even internally consistent. It’s incredible how badly written this shit is…

(Just waiting for basic fans to explain « he meant what he is in a physical state not his psychological state. It fits perfectly. It bridges PT to OT perfectly » 😂)

In episode 3 Vader is referring to his suit. In episode 6 he is referring to his fall. Two totally different topics.

Quoting myself:

« (Just waiting for basic fans to explain « he meant what he is in a physical state not his psychological state. It fits perfectly. It bridges PT to OT perfectly » 😂) »

You’re so predictable 😂

But accurate. In Episode 3, Kenobi has just encountered a man he thought dead and sees the suit he is now encased in. In Episode 6 they are talking about Anakin’s fall and Vader takes full credit for it. That you are calling this out as an issue shows you didn’t watch the episodes very carefully. So it really diminishes the weight of your other comments. If you aren’t paying attention to very obvious things, how can you properly judge this series at all.

yotsuya said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

yotsuya said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

Vader, episode 3: « I am what you made me. »

Vader, episode 6: « You didn’t fail Anakin. I killed Anakin. »

This fucking show isn’t even internally consistent. It’s incredible how badly written this shit is…

(Just waiting for basic fans to explain « he meant what he is in a physical state not his psychological state. It fits perfectly. It bridges PT to OT perfectly » 😂)

In episode 3 Vader is referring to his suit. In episode 6 he is referring to his fall. Two totally different topics.

Quoting myself:

« (Just waiting for basic fans to explain « he meant what he is in a physical state not his psychological state. It fits perfectly. It bridges PT to OT perfectly » 😂) »

You’re so predictable 😂

But accurate. In Episode 3, Kenobi has just encountered a man he thought dead and sees the suit he is now encased in. In Episode 6 they are talking about Anakin’s fall and Vader takes full credit for it. That you are calling this out as an issue shows you didn’t watch the episodes very carefully. So it really diminishes the weight of your other comments. If you aren’t paying attention to very obvious things, how can you properly judge this series at all.

No, that is retro-fitting the argument. There’s nothing in the statement “What have you become?”, that specifies whether Obi-Wan is specifically talking about Vader’s physical appearance. There’s nothing in that episode either, that suggests Vader is specifically referring to his appearance, when he states " I am, what you made me." Given the statements in the final episode, you might conclude retro-actively, that Vader was talking about his physical appearance. On the other hand given the many lapses of logic in the series, you might also conclude the writers created yet another inconsistency. There is no objectively correct answer here. Just an interpretation of what was said.

Ava G. said:

adywan said:

So basically, what you are saying is that those that think this show was a pile of garbage are just too damn stupid to to think deeply enough or are just too stupid to piece together what these highly intelligent beings that praise the show can see before their super intellectual selves because they can actually think? Right, got it.

No. I’m calling them unwilling to extend their critical minds beyond the so-called plot hole or complaint.

An example. A reviewer on YT made a deal about how in episode 5, Reva has the troopers escort Obi-Wan (who surrendered) back into the cave compound. As in, the logical thing would have been to keep him outside the entrance and wait for Vader.

I think we can infer why Reva made that move. But nobody I saw really pushed back on this. Not the other reviewers he spoke to, and nobody in his audience. It’s a common problem.

See, I’m incredibly critical of this show but I also find much of the criticism to be really stupid by some people. There’s much bigger problems in that episode alone worth mentioning over stuff like Reva having the stormies escort Kenobi back inside. At that point, she was in on his plan and the rest of her troops weren’t going to question her on it, they’re trained not to.

Now, the fact that she spent 10 minutes shooting the blast doors with a cannon for no reason only to do the smart thing and cut it open with her lightsaber at the most dramatic moment possible instead of immediately doing so upon getting there is something that still boggles my mind the writers just left in.

Kaweebo said:

Ava G. said:

adywan said:

So basically, what you are saying is that those that think this show was a pile of garbage are just too damn stupid to to think deeply enough or are just too stupid to piece together what these highly intelligent beings that praise the show can see before their super intellectual selves because they can actually think? Right, got it.

No. I’m calling them unwilling to extend their critical minds beyond the so-called plot hole or complaint.

An example. A reviewer on YT made a deal about how in episode 5, Reva has the troopers escort Obi-Wan (who surrendered) back into the cave compound. As in, the logical thing would have been to keep him outside the entrance and wait for Vader.

I think we can infer why Reva made that move. But nobody I saw really pushed back on this. Not the other reviewers he spoke to, and nobody in his audience. It’s a common problem.

See, I’m incredibly critical of this show but I also find much of the criticism to be really stupid by some people. There’s much bigger problems in that episode alone worth mentioning over stuff like Reva having the stormies escort Kenobi back inside. At that point, she was in on his plan and the rest of her troops weren’t going to question her on it, they’re trained not to.

Now, the fact that she spent 10 minutes shooting the blast doors with a cannon for no reason only to do the smart thing and cut it open with her lightsaber at the most dramatic moment possible instead of immediately doing so upon getting there is something that still boggles my mind the writers just left in.

Or that Bail Organa would create evidence of the existence of the twins and location of “the boy” in a recording, that he made believing Obi-Wan may have been captured by the Empire, and that Obi-Wan would give this recording to another character, who just so happens to drop it, such that another character, who should be dead, can conveniently find it. It’s always a bad sign when characters are hit by the stupid stick, just such that the plot can move from point A to point B.

DrDre said:

Kaweebo said:

Ava G. said:

adywan said:

So basically, what you are saying is that those that think this show was a pile of garbage are just too damn stupid to to think deeply enough or are just too stupid to piece together what these highly intelligent beings that praise the show can see before their super intellectual selves because they can actually think? Right, got it.

No. I’m calling them unwilling to extend their critical minds beyond the so-called plot hole or complaint.

An example. A reviewer on YT made a deal about how in episode 5, Reva has the troopers escort Obi-Wan (who surrendered) back into the cave compound. As in, the logical thing would have been to keep him outside the entrance and wait for Vader.

I think we can infer why Reva made that move. But nobody I saw really pushed back on this. Not the other reviewers he spoke to, and nobody in his audience. It’s a common problem.

See, I’m incredibly critical of this show but I also find much of the criticism to be really stupid by some people. There’s much bigger problems in that episode alone worth mentioning over stuff like Reva having the stormies escort Kenobi back inside. At that point, she was in on his plan and the rest of her troops weren’t going to question her on it, they’re trained not to.

Now, the fact that she spent 10 minutes shooting the blast doors with a cannon for no reason only to do the smart thing and cut it open with her lightsaber at the most dramatic moment possible instead of immediately doing so upon getting there is something that still boggles my mind the writers just left in.

Or that Bail Organa would create evidence of the existence of the twins and location of “the boy” in a recording, that he made believing Obi-Wan may have been captured by the Empire.

Or that Bail would jeopardize the fate of both children by calling Kenobi out of hiding in the first place “because only he knows how important they are,” even though in canon, he’s actively working with another Jedi in the nascent rebellion (Ahsoka) who’s way less recognizable to the general public that could have tracked Leia down and probably gotten away much easier, because the fact that the Empire KNOWS Obi-Wan came for Leia directly implicates the House of Organa as Jedi sympathizers.

Of course that’s also accepting the premise that Reva just happened to hit the nail on the head on a whim by looking through the Imperial archives and single-handedly uncovered the entire conspiracy surrounding Vader’s children in one fell swoop (as well as having an encounter with Owen on Tatooine) which just makes her look either omniscient or insanely lucky to have gotten all those pieces lined up like that.