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FrederikOlsen said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

Vader, episode 3: « I am what you made me. »

Vader, episode 6: « You didn’t fail Anakin. I killed Anakin. »

This fucking show isn’t even internally consistent. It’s incredible how badly written this shit is…

(Just waiting for basic fans to explain « he meant what he is in a physical state not his psychological state. It fits perfectly. It bridges PT to OT perfectly » 😂)

Anakin already identified as Darth Vader by the time he fought Obi-Wan in ROTS, meaning that Vader’s physical state is indeed Obi-Wan’s handiwork. There’s nothing remotely inconsistent about those two lines. It’s Obi-Wan who keeps calling Vader “Anakin”. Vader himself is pretty adamant about that guy being gone, even before he suits up.

I enjoyed this show. It wasn’t a masterpiece, but I don’t think it set out to be. But the vigour with which some viewers will look for “plot holes”, particularly in something as oft-patchy as Star Wars, is getting ridiculous.

Nothing is as ridiculous that people actually defending this failed cheap tvshow. But again I’m glad I can finally move on. If they fuck up something as important as a DIRECT prequel to the most important piece of cultural phenomenon of the last 50 years, I don’t see how Disney can ever do something even remotely watchable.

You like that, good for you. It just ain’t Star Wars : just a mere product to keep subscriptions going on a steaming platform. This is what Star Wars has become. A tv show that bears nothing.

« Star Wars means nothing to me » is what fake Vader could say to fake Palpy.

Hulk nailed it again :

https://www.patreon.com/posts/68130106

So long 🙌

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Many critics these days will use their intellect only so far to find what they may call plot holes, so that they can join the negativity bandwagon.

They refuse to think further than the criticism, and to infer things by piecing together details in the story. They don’t argue against themselves before speaking. To do so would often times mean acknowledging what they called a flaw in the script, was only a moment which required the audience to think -through-.

I’m not saying that of anyone here. But it’s something I noticed in spades about many self-made critics reviewing this series on YT and the like.

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I did enjoy the ending of Kenobi. It’s clearly a 2:30h motion picture script, padded to make a 6h TV series.
I think a fanedit would be very easy to do.

As others mentioned, the editing on the final episode didn’t give a clear notion of time. That’s because they didn’t use the wipe transitions. Wipes indicate to the viewer that we’ve jumped in time, omitting part of the action. Without them, action seems to take place continuously. Music cues and cleaver montage can also serve the same purpose.

There are problems with visual mastering. Light levels are way too low - unless you have a properly calibrated HDR TV, you won’t see a thing.

But I really liked the series! It strikes the same notes as the PT and OT - the characters do the best they can, but are flawed and make mistakes along the way. Yet they are very likable and human. At the end of Kenobi, I can say that about Bail, Owen, the fake Jedi guy, etc. I’d like to spend more time with them.

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MalaStrana#2 said:

FrederikOlsen said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

Vader, episode 3: « I am what you made me. »

Vader, episode 6: « You didn’t fail Anakin. I killed Anakin. »

This fucking show isn’t even internally consistent. It’s incredible how badly written this shit is…

(Just waiting for basic fans to explain « he meant what he is in a physical state not his psychological state. It fits perfectly. It bridges PT to OT perfectly » 😂)

Anakin already identified as Darth Vader by the time he fought Obi-Wan in ROTS, meaning that Vader’s physical state is indeed Obi-Wan’s handiwork. There’s nothing remotely inconsistent about those two lines. It’s Obi-Wan who keeps calling Vader “Anakin”. Vader himself is pretty adamant about that guy being gone, even before he suits up.

I enjoyed this show. It wasn’t a masterpiece, but I don’t think it set out to be. But the vigour with which some viewers will look for “plot holes”, particularly in something as oft-patchy as Star Wars, is getting ridiculous.

Nothing is as ridiculous that people actually defending this failed cheap tvshow. But again I’m glad I can finally move on. If they fuck up something as important as a DIRECT prequel to the most important piece of cultural phenomenon of the last 50 years, I don’t see how Disney can ever do something even remotely watchable.

You like that, good for you. It just ain’t Star Wars : just a mere product to keep subscriptions going on a steaming platform. This is what Star Wars has become. A tv show that bears nothing.

« Star Wars means nothing to me » is what fake Vader could say to fake Palpy.

Hulk nailed it again :

https://www.patreon.com/posts/68130106

It’s “Star Wars” because it says “Star Wars” on it and Disney owns Star Wars. It may not be the kind of Star Wars you enjoy, and fair enough, but at the end of the day, it’s still Star Wars.

You didn’t like it and that’s okay. But don’t begin with the “plot hole” stuff when it clearly doesn’t hold up. You didn’t even counter my argument - you just moved on to the next hyperbolic reason why we should all hate this show (now it isn’t even Star Wars) and I’m pretty sure you’ll hit me with a third reason when replying to this post.

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Agreed, it would be fun to see a movie edit of the series. I’d love an extra movie to watch to bridge the trilogies.

I won’t write a full review, because I’m tired. But I will say that the finale was awesome, and made me emotional.

The end of that duel. OMG. Vader was the pitiable and broken horror villain Lucas always wanted him to be viewed as.

Obi-Wan goes through so much character development and finally transforms into the wise and hopeful Alec Guinness version.

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Ava G. said:

Agreed, it would be fun to see a movie edit of the series. I’d love an extra movie to watch to bridge the trilogies.

I won’t write a full review, because I’m tired. But I will say that the finale was awesome, and made me emotional.

The end of that duel. OMG. Vader was the pitiable and broken horror villain Lucas always wanted him to be viewed as.

Obi-Wan goes through so much character development and finally transforms into the wise and hopeful Alec Guinness version.

I’ll admit, watching Obi-Wan’s eyes get teary when he saw Anakin’s broken face got to me. At its best, that scene included, Obi-Wan Kenobi has recontextualised the PT for me to a point where I’m cool with it. I don’t consider them very good films, but just months ago, I was basically in the “deny they exist” camp.

I’m not 100% into Leia and Obi-Wan having this close a relationship when her hologram in Star Wars makes no reference to that, but I can live with it. It’s no worse than the passionate kiss between siblings where one party has “always known”, Yoda supposedly training Obi-Wan, or Leia remembering her real mother. Some backpedaling is to be expected with Star Wars, and it’s been that way since 1999, really.

I would also have wished the cinematography would’ve been brighter. Dark scenes are fine, but this was the climax! But I’m noting this is a trend with shows that are shot and processed for HDR in general. Hopefully it’ll pass eventually.

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« The point is that as everything gives away, as the ouroboros coils tighter and tighter, as corporate needs spill out with endless demand, as the fans continue to make excuses, the thing I hold onto more and more is that simple, stupid, deluded notion of hope itself. »

This hulk crit guy really nails it. I love this guy.

So long 🙌

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FrederikOlsen said:

You didn’t even counter my argument

Because you don’t provide any substance to anything. You just read the issues regarding continuity without noticing all the rest. You should read the film crit hulk paper as he is way better than me to address the overall issues with this show and with current Star Wars.

On my side I won’t lose time arguing about the show inner consistencies with fans creating their own patches of what the writers of the show didn’t think about making clear and square.

You know, ANH is a very clear and simple movie. This clarity took a hell of time and talent. Something this show is just millions of miles away at every single level. You can like it I don’t really care. This show is insulting to Star Wars and to storytelling and represents everything which is wrong with most of modern productions, not just Star Wars.

So imagine how interested I am of talking back your arguments for a specific line of dialogue that would be explained because A led to B and along C there was D to explain E could make F be G…

So long 🙌

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MalaStrana#2 said:

FrederikOlsen said:

You didn’t even counter my argument

Because you don’t provide any substance to anything. You just read the issues regarding continuity without noticing all the rest. You should read the film crit hulk paper as he is way better than me to address the overall issues with this show and with current Star Wars.

On my side I won’t lose time arguing about the show inner consistencies with fans creating their own patches of what the writers of the show didn’t think about making clear and square.

You know, ANH is a very clear and simple movie. This clarity took a hell of time and talent. Something this show is just millions of miles away at every single level. You can like it I don’t really care. This show is insulting to Star Wars and to storytelling and represents everything which is wrong with most of modern productions, not just Star Wars.

So imagine how interested I am of talking back your arguments for a specific line of dialogue that would be explained because A led to B and along C there was D to explain E could make F be G…

I didn’t create my own patch. Anakin becoming Darth Vader and only identifying as such between Episode III and VI is literally right there, in the films and in the series.

It seems to upset you that I’m content enjoying this Star Wars series for what it is - massively inferior to the 1977 film, but still very entertaining and successful at doing what it sets out to do - without bothering to go all pseudo-analytical on it or listening to what some online critic has to say so I can become one of the enlightened haters. I didn’t address any of the other “problems” because they don’t bother me to the extent that you seem to think they should.

In that light, I am admittedly finding it hard to imagine why you wouldn’t want to waste time on providing a counterargument, cause you seem to be into wasting plenty of time on pointless gatekeeping already…

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Sure. You keep missing the point. It’s ok I wasn’t expecting more so it’s cool.

So long 🙌

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MalaStrana#2 said:

Sure. You keep missing the point. It’s ok I wasn’t expecting more so it’s cool.

You must feel so very special in this crowd 😄

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Hal 9000 said:
But it seems to have taken a penny on these and left a few pennies in return. In the OT, Ben seems viscerally aware of the sort of effects the Empire has on the galaxy at large, and with Vader as more machine than man. These give the impression of something other than watching the news. Originally this was because the Empire seemed to predate Luke himself, and Vader likely having a more involved history with Kenobi, before later continuity came about.

I don’t know if that’s what you were implying, but Ben saying Vader is more machine than man is a line from ROTJ, not ANH. So it makes sense for him to say that after seeing Vader in ANH. I saw a few people make the mistake of thinking the line was from ANH and thus was a plot hole, but it’s not. Just wanted to clarify!

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@FrederikOlsen

You keep missing the point very hard. Stop being obsessed with me and try to see beyond that. Again you should read the link I posted, you won’t get dumber by doing so, trust me. If you don’t it’s fine as well. But no need to keep interacting with me as it goes nowhere. I made my point several time and I have nothing more to add. Not interested anymore. No wish to put more energy than the show put itself. Enjoy your day!

So long 🙌

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FrederikOlsen said:

I enjoyed this show. It wasn’t a masterpiece, but I don’t think it set out to be. But the vigour with which some viewers will look for “plot holes”, particularly in something as oft-patchy as Star Wars, is getting ridiculous.

But no one needed to vigorously look for problems, they were there in plain sight. That’s the problem with this show.

Ava G. said:

Many critics these days will use their intellect only so far to find what they may call plot holes, so that they can join the negativity bandwagon.

They refuse to think further than the criticism, and to infer things by piecing together details in the story. They don’t argue against themselves before speaking. To do so would often times mean acknowledging what they called a flaw in the script, was only a moment which required the audience to think -through-.

I’m not saying that of anyone here. But it’s something I noticed in spades about many self-made critics reviewing this series on YT and the like.

So basically, what you are saying is that those that think this show was a pile of garbage are just too damn stupid to to think deeply enough or are just too stupid to piece together what these highly intelligent beings that praise the show can see before their super intellectual selves because they can actually think? Right, got it.

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adywan said:

FrederikOlsen said:

I enjoyed this show. It wasn’t a masterpiece, but I don’t think it set out to be. But the vigour with which some viewers will look for “plot holes”, particularly in something as oft-patchy as Star Wars, is getting ridiculous.

But no one needed to vigorously look for problems, they were there in plain sight. That’s the problem with this show.

It really depends, I think. There’s no continuity problems within the Vader lines that were called out, so that’s definitely reaching. But of course the show has problems. In my opinion, the dark cinematography is one, as is the very, very quick redemption of Haja and no one being able to carry out a fatal stabbing with a lightsaber. Qui-Gon must have been very unlucky.

I don’t view any of those issues as major deal breakers. I probably have bigger pet peeves in every instalment of the Skywalker Saga. If anyone else does, that’s perfectly fine. It’s the part of trying to win others over - and I’m not saying you’re doing this - that I really don’t get.

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I don’t know about you guys, but I’m really not liking the fact, that Star Wars to put it in boxing terms has been turned from a Heavy Weight Title Event to the bum of the month club, as Joe Louis put it. This stuff is just all so mediocre, the writing so sloppy and bland, and I can’t stand the praise for all these stupid callbacks: Look it’s Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan says Hello There, the comlink on the table, etc, etc. Star Wars has become referential to a fault with barely an original idea in it. Large parts of this show was just copied and pasted from other media. It’s just the fan service express, and worst of all, with all the praise for this very unremarkable show, this will probably be the future for Star Wars TV.

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Help us, Andor, you’re our only hope…

“Remember, the Force will be with you. Always.”

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MalaStrana#2 said:

jedi_bendu said:

Help us, Andor, you’re our only hope…

« For Wade!!! »

I don’t think I could handle seeing Wade again. It would just bring back painful memories of his death.

“Remember, the Force will be with you. Always.”

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jedi_bendu said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

jedi_bendu said:

Help us, Andor, you’re our only hope…

« For Wade!!! »

I don’t think I could handle seeing Wade again. It would just bring back painful memories of his death.

« Execute Wade 66 »

(Btw how does Ben know about Order 66? I mean this code was only known by Palpy and clones so how come he refers to it as « order 66 » and not as « the clones turning against Jedi » ? It feels off but again it is the least of the show problems)

So long 🙌

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MalaStrana#2 said:

jedi_bendu said:

Help us, Andor, you’re our only hope…

« For Wade!!! »

« Rebellions are built on Wades »

« May Wade be with you »

« I have a bad Wade about it »

« I Wade »

« This is what I call Wading! »

« It’s Wade. All of it »

Etc.

So long 🙌

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FrederikOlsen said:

I’ll admit, watching Obi-Wan’s eyes get teary when he saw Anakin’s broken face got to me. At its best, that scene included, Obi-Wan Kenobi has recontextualised the PT for me to a point where I’m cool with it. I don’t consider them very good films, but just months ago, I was basically in the “deny they exist” camp.

I’m not 100% into Leia and Obi-Wan having this close a relationship when her hologram in Star Wars makes no reference to that, but I can live with it. It’s no worse than the passionate kiss between siblings where one party has “always known”, Yoda supposedly training Obi-Wan, or Leia remembering her real mother. Some backpedaling is to be expected with Star Wars, and it’s been that way since 1999, really.

I would also have wished the cinematography would’ve been brighter. Dark scenes are fine, but this was the climax! But I’m noting this is a trend with shows that are shot and processed for HDR in general. Hopefully it’ll pass eventually.

Yeah, I noticed that shows lately have the lights turned low. At first I thought it was just me. lol

I’m glad you enjoyed the finale and made peace with the PT.

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adywan said:

So basically, what you are saying is that those that think this show was a pile of garbage are just too damn stupid to to think deeply enough or are just too stupid to piece together what these highly intelligent beings that praise the show can see before their super intellectual selves because they can actually think? Right, got it.

No. I’m calling them unwilling to extend their critical minds beyond the so-called plot hole or complaint.

An example. A reviewer on YT made a deal about how in episode 5, Reva has the troopers escort Obi-Wan (who surrendered) back into the cave compound. As in, the logical thing would have been to keep him outside the entrance and wait for Vader.

I think we can infer why Reva made that move. But nobody I saw really pushed back on this. Not the other reviewers he spoke to, and nobody in his audience. It’s a common problem.

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One thing I’ve noticed with modern Star Wars opinions among the fan base is that for the most part, if a show or movie stars characters from the mainline Skywalker Saga, then it’s bad. If it doesn’t, and only has them in cameos, then it’s good.