KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [The Radical "Help Me Obi-Wan Kenobi" Cut] — Page 12

Phase3 said:

Anjohan said:

Would people like to see the Anakin & Obi-Wan sparring sequence as a whole in the beginning of the film, as a memory when Obi-Wan is dreaming, before later showing up again in the way it is presented in EP 5 (apart from cuts and trims)?

The reason I ask is because introducing it as a happy memory, for instance BEFORE the bad memories/flashback nightmare sequence, could start the film with a kind of realization that those happy times are definitively over, and also have Anakin’s death (sort of) kind of looming even harder over the overall film. Not to mention it is impactful to have the seeds of Anakin’s arrogance re-planted before “EP 5 happens”.

The downside and the counter-arguement is of course that the viewer might feel less impacted by the flashback, and perhaps the film starts on one too many of them.

Share your views - I would be very interested to hear them.

I’d love to see the AOTC flashback portrayed as Obi-Wan’s dream in the beginning, instead of the re-used footage from the three prequel films. Flashbacks in the fifth episode (and I’d argue that flashbacks being used at all) are wholly unnecessary, and to me breaks the flow of the story.

Obi-Wan’s dream sequence seems to be an excuse to use more footage from the prequels (filler footage). It even shows Anakin in situations that Obi-Wan wasn’t even physically present for (namely young Anakin in the Naboo Starfighter).
You wouldn’t even need to use the entire AOTC flashback as a dream sequence, you’d need just enough footage to illustrate Anakin’s anger and need for victory.

I like this because it also presents it as Obi-Wan reflecting on his training of Anakin. Like he’s fixated on finding the flaws in his approach that led to his fall.

Saw this using Force theme for Luke. It’s a bit loud, but like the idea. Maybe a piano force theme version?

https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/vfe9so/added_the_force_theme_to_kenobi_watching_luke/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Note that some of these scenes need (more) SFX replaced, as to not have scores bleed into one another. Some scenes are finished, and some are not. I do not want to continue work on the scoring before I’ve heard some opinions.

I would agree, most of it works great but that Reva v Vader scene kind stands out as really fast paced. Other than that most of it works great

leftshoe18 said:

Phase3 said:

Anjohan said:

Would people like to see the Anakin & Obi-Wan sparring sequence as a whole in the beginning of the film, as a memory when Obi-Wan is dreaming, before later showing up again in the way it is presented in EP 5 (apart from cuts and trims)?

The reason I ask is because introducing it as a happy memory, for instance BEFORE the bad memories/flashback nightmare sequence, could start the film with a kind of realization that those happy times are definitively over, and also have Anakin’s death (sort of) kind of looming even harder over the overall film. Not to mention it is impactful to have the seeds of Anakin’s arrogance re-planted before “EP 5 happens”.

The downside and the counter-arguement is of course that the viewer might feel less impacted by the flashback, and perhaps the film starts on one too many of them.

Share your views - I would be very interested to hear them.

I’d love to see the AOTC flashback portrayed as Obi-Wan’s dream in the beginning, instead of the re-used footage from the three prequel films. Flashbacks in the fifth episode (and I’d argue that flashbacks being used at all) are wholly unnecessary, and to me breaks the flow of the story.

Obi-Wan’s dream sequence seems to be an excuse to use more footage from the prequels (filler footage). It even shows Anakin in situations that Obi-Wan wasn’t even physically present for (namely young Anakin in the Naboo Starfighter).
You wouldn’t even need to use the entire AOTC flashback as a dream sequence, you’d need just enough footage to illustrate Anakin’s anger and need for victory.

I like this because it also presents it as Obi-Wan reflecting on his training of Anakin. Like he’s fixated on finding the flaws in his approach that led to his fall.

Those flashbacks are essential to the Jabiim section of the present day plot, for better and for worse (mostly for better). Delete those flashbacks and what are we left with on Jabiim - a very Made-for-Television Star Wars battle plus the Reva stuff. Those flashbacks add to Obi-Wan and Vader’s rivalry on Jabiim and create a much needed narrative anticipation/build-up to their present day showdown in Part 6.

Today I rewatched Parts 3 & 5 back to back because I was skeptical about deleting Part 4 from the plot, but now I’ve seen it’s actually a significant improvement. Vader now appears relentless about hunting Obi-Wan since he doesn’t inexplicably disappear for almost an entire episode.

There’s a lot more desperation and tension in Obi-Wan’s speech about being unable to fight the Empire head-on, because we just saw his ass get kicked 15 minutes earlier. The anguish in Ewan’s performance when Tala dies is more palpable because he hasn’t had any victory since Mapuzo: it’s just been loss after loss for him. The Empire comes off as stronger and unstoppable as well without the fortress hijinks.

Anjohan said:

Also, some of you might be happy to hear I’ve spread some Star Wars fades around the film 😉

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I thought ep 6 more or less stuck the landing. The conclusion between Vader vs Obi Wan actually made me shed a tear. However, I didn’t think the Reva storyline resolved in a impactful, compelling, or even sensible way. In fact, her motivation for wanting to kill young Luke after being left for dead by Vader goes completely over my head. I wonder if Reva’s story shouldn’t just end after ep 5. Admittedly, that would draw away from the final scene with Owen, Obi Wan, and Luke, but the faneditor must make hard decisions sometimes.

I just didn’t care for the Reva storyline throughout, TBH. I thought the character and the actor playing her were both pretty weak. I never felt I was given a good reason to care, and her redemption was unearned (I just keep thinking about how she cut that poor woman’s hand off). I’m not for completely cutting her out of the show; I just think her hatred and lust for revenge should be her undoing, i.e., her story ends in ep 5.

Just let her be the villain. She doesn’t need to crowd out Obi Wan with her own story and redemption. Nobody came for her anyway, and she’s not a particularly sympathetic character at any point in the series. It was just Disney’s usual bait and switch that they’ve been doing as of late: People came for Obi Wan/Vader, and got a whole lot of Reva crammed in there instead.

I would def not say a perfect episode, but a great enough landing to make for quite a good movie.

Thoughts on things I would cut.

• Star Destroyers missing so badly. Now if there was a Vader line about missing on purpose, I am okay with that, but otherwise Ships of that advance do not miss that badly from a barely moving target.

• Mustafar scene. I wish I liked it, but it was not great and the CGI quite bad.

• The ending … it wasn’t bad, but feel curious if the Owen part should be cut out. I also don’t know if it has that normal Star Wars “ending feel,”

Acbagel said:

Looking forward to hearing your take, Anjohan!

I won’t beat a dead horse with my overall disappointment in the production of this show as a whole, so for me this finale was as expected after seeing the rest of the show. There wasn’t anything overly unique or deep, plenty of plot holes to complain about, but if you touch up the key elements I think the “cool” moments can be better brought to life.

The main things I would recommend to change in the finale are:

• Somehow fix the logic of the star destroyer chasing the frigate/obi wan’s escape shuttle. The whole pursuit really threw me off from the get go. Why can’t they use a tractor beam like on the Tantive IV? If they can’t, why not deploy fighters? Why does the entire star destroyer have to pursue Obi-wan instead of just vader’s shuttle? I would truncate as much of this nonsense as possible to keep it focused on a sensible pursuit of Obi-wan.

• I don’t see any value to the conclusion of the Reva storyline. I realize D+ is trying to set her up for a future appearance in another show, but man I think the best conclusion to her story in movie is for her to die on Jabiim last episode. Let her show the folly of dedicating your life to revenge. Owen fighting her off with a metal moisturizer pole was beyond absurd, and every cut away from Vader-Obi to the Reva farm ridiculousness was killing the vibe in a major way. Also the way Obi-wan fights Vader and then instantly teleports to Owen’s farm within minutes was painful. If you don’t even include that entire farm sequence and present his journey back to Tatooine as some time going by before his moment with Luke I think that’s the move.

There’s a lot more I could say but I’m more interested in hearing your review and vision for the content!

I like the idea of leaving Reva defeated from Vader, never seen again.

Finished Part 6. Imo it would benefit from a little more Qui-Gon.

The rumored plot leaks claimed that when Obi-Wan is about to lose his 2nd duel to Vader, he would suddenly hear Qui-Gon’s voice in his head, motivating and coaching him to defeat Vader. It would be a wonderful payoff to his prayers in Parts 1-3 and is just a cool idea in general. But it didn’t exactly turn out that way.

It’d be cool if in the scene where Obi-Wan is trapped under the rubble getting overwhelmed by the angry voice of Anakin/Vader…he’d suddenly hear the calm, encouraging voice of master Qui-Gon. And that could be one of the motivations for Obi-Wan finding his Force strength to defeat Vader (though the flashes of his remembering Leia/Luke don’t need to be deleted).

The rubble scene, Obi-Wan’s floating rocks scene, and Obi-Wan destroying Vader’s suit - all of those scenes could potentially benefit from inserting Liam Neeson’s voiceovers at the right moments as the ‘Force ghost in his head.’ But the dialogue would have to be recycled from TPM, TCW, and perhaps even other non-SW Neeson media. In Batman Begins, Neeson’s mentor character has a pretty appropriate quote for Part 6 where he says “You have learned to bury your guilt…confront it. Face the truth.”

This may be the most nitpicky request ever, but would it be possible to make the saber ignition noises consistent? As in, Obi-Wan’s blade always makes the ANH noise, Vader’s makes the ESB red noise, etc.

My God, this is the worst episode for me. Worst then episode 4, I don’t know how. Really surprised to see people enjoying parts of it.

In the beginning, I think there’s too much talk. The passengers are about to be killed by the imperial ship, there’s no need to have so much discussion about that. Prolonging ths discussion just gave me a vibe that the peril wasn’t THAT real, and this is not good (after all, it’s a star destroyer they’re running from).

I also agree that the Reva segment of this episode doesn’t make any sense, I even know even now what is her purpose to kill Luke. For me at least, it should be completely cut (she dying in Jabiim is a good ending for her). I think her arc would be much better if she played a role similar to the command officers from ESB, with just a little more deph due to her past showed in the flaskback, but maybe this idea would be more appropriate for another edit.

Well, for me the Vader vs Obi-Wan fight is in desperate need of the Duel of Fates song to land, or Battle of the Heroes. If I could suggest a track, I think this remix is really good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sskr--f66ZI

croissant_lion said:

Finished Part 6. Imo it would benefit from a little more Qui-Gon.

The rumored plot leaks claimed that when Obi-Wan is about to lose his 2nd duel to Vader, he would suddenly hear Qui-Gon’s voice in his head, motivating and coaching him to defeat Vader. It would be a wonderful payoff to his prayers in Parts 1-3 and is just a cool idea in general. But it didn’t exactly turn out that way.

It’d be cool if in the scene where Obi-Wan is trapped under the rubble getting overwhelmed by the angry voice of Anakin/Vader…he’d suddenly hear the calm, encouraging voice of master Qui-Gon. And that could be one of the motivations for Obi-Wan finding his Force strength to defeat Vader (though the flashes of his remembering Leia/Luke don’t need to be deleted).

The rubble scene, Obi-Wan’s floating rocks scene, and Obi-Wan destroying Vader’s suit - all of those scenes could potentially benefit from inserting Liam Neeson’s voiceovers at the right moments as the ‘Force ghost in his head.’ But the dialogue would have to be recycled from TPM, TCW, and perhaps even other non-SW Neeson media. In Batman Begins, Neeson’s mentor character has a pretty appropriate quote for Part 6 where he says “You have learned to bury your guilt…confront it. Face the truth.”

WOW, totally agree!

Repost from the other thread:
I liked the last episode a lot, it’s finally what everyone actually wanted: Obi Wan interacting with Anakin, Owen and Beru, Luke, and Qui Gon in ways that make sense. I liked that his interactions with Leia were more centered on Anakin and Padme now instead of just telling her how wonderful she is for being a girl.

Of course there’s still the canon breaking stuff all over like Obi Wan being such good friends with Leia in the first place, and the most egregious thing of all, Reva chasing Luke with a lightsaber and the Force and Luke never bringing it up again. “Oh, the Force? Sounds like the thing that one lady used to telekinetically slam my head against a rock when I was 10.” I guess the excuse is that he did hit his head so that means he won’t remember it. When they told him to stay inside because of tusken raiders I thought that made sense but then they undercut it with yet another of the series’s ridiculous chase sequences.
Then there’s the other things with Reva, how she teleported to Tatooine in 2 seconds (while severely wounded) while Obi Wan and Vader are still in the middle of a space chase and trying to get to hyperspace, her surviving getting stabbed with a lightsaber, and her clumsy and contrived motivations for trying to kill Luke. “I’m going to kill Vader’s son that he doesn’t know about, which won’t affect him in any way.”

I kept saying this every episode, but it just sucks that there’s so much good stuff surrounded by so much awful stuff.

Once again I think the only thing to do is cut as much Reva as possible.

croissant_lion said:

Finished Part 6. Imo it would benefit from a little more Qui-Gon.

The rumored plot leaks claimed that when Obi-Wan is about to lose his 2nd duel to Vader, he would suddenly hear Qui-Gon’s voice in his head, motivating and coaching him to defeat Vader. It would be a wonderful payoff to his prayers in Parts 1-3 and is just a cool idea in general. But it didn’t exactly turn out that way.

It’d be cool if in the scene where Obi-Wan is trapped under the rubble getting overwhelmed by the angry voice of Anakin/Vader…he’d suddenly hear the calm, encouraging voice of master Qui-Gon. And that could be one of the motivations for Obi-Wan finding his Force strength to defeat Vader (though the flashes of his remembering Leia/Luke don’t need to be deleted).

The rubble scene, Obi-Wan’s floating rocks scene, and Obi-Wan destroying Vader’s suit - all of those scenes could potentially benefit from inserting Liam Neeson’s voiceovers at the right moments as the ‘Force ghost in his head.’ But the dialogue would have to be recycled from TPM, TCW, and perhaps even other non-SW Neeson media. In Batman Begins, Neeson’s mentor character has a pretty appropriate quote for Part 6 where he says “You have learned to bury your guilt…confront it. Face the truth.”

If qui gon is kept, then a voice over would make a ton of sense as Ben did with Luke.

So, thoughts on Part VI:

• All about adding in Qui-Gon speaking to Obi-Wan when he’s being crushed by rocks. Bonus points if, after Vader’s helmet gets sliced in half, Anakin sees a brief glimpse of Qui-Gon either behind or as Kenobi. Gives new context to Vader saying “I killed Anakin Skywalker,” raises the question on whether that line was to torment Obi-Wan or absolve him. Plus, way to twist the knife into Anakin’s turn to the dark side further, shamed by the one person who believed in him.

• Some of Reva needs to be kept if only to explain why Obi-Wan doesn’t just kill Vader then & there. This was my only “wait, what” moment in the show. Kenobi admits that Anakin is really gone, so he should take down someone who’s still & threat and (as far as he knows) will not change. If he senses Reva attacking Owen’s farm, at least there’s a ticking clock that Obi-Wan has to beat & can’t waste time on Vader. I forgive a lot of the Reva stuff in this episode because (A) Even the Grand Inquisitor said “revenge does wonders for one’s will to live” in the last part, which explains how she survived being stabbed by Vader, as child & adult), (B) Luke took a bad fall & probably doesn’t remember her, chalking it up to the Tusken Raiders like Owen said, & © the stuff kid Luke pulled off in the comics bugged me much more than this fight.

• For the overall edit, I wonder if it’s worth bringing Reva’s backstory to the forefront, of staring Vader in the eyes as he marched on the temple, try & earn the audience over a little earlier.

Overall, I prefer Obi-Wan Kenobi over most Disney-SW, but I look forward to your edit.

I guess the reason Vader didn’t kill Kenobi earlier is that he couldn’t bring himself to do it and the reason Kenobi didn’t kill Vader is he couldn’t bring himself to do it. Which is also the reason he didn’t do it in Revenge of the Sith. So really neither of them can bring themselves to kill the other so it’s kind of pointless except for the emotional parts of Obi Wan seeing Anakin as Vader and hearing from his own mouth that Vader “killed” Anakin (which I really liked.)

I’m personally in favour of keeping Reva, is she SW’s best character? Absolutely not, but her ark and how Obi-Wan’s own ark within the series is affirmed within their dialogue after the fight on the Lars farm IS important?

Also, with some additional emphasis within the editing, I think what Darth Raditz said above, justifies Obi-Wan once again leaving Vader alive:

‘If he senses Reva attacking Owen’s farm, at least there’s a ticking clock that Obi-Wan has to beat & can’t waste time on Vader’

Prior to reading that, I would have leant into trying to cut around the two events intercutting as they did, as Obi-Wan making his way from wherever he was and back to Tatooine within minutes was too much of a plot contrivance (god kows there’s been far to much of that in this series??) so although that’s still an issue, it seems less of a job to emphasise the reason why Obi-Wan’s would need to abandon Vader (again) for the sake of a bigger threat, than it would be to separate out the intertwined plot threads, such as they are?

Ergo, keep Reva?

I wouldn’t say remove Reva, just that her worth ended when she was stabbed. (Also removes plotholes like how is she okay so quick? Where did she find a shuttle? Why is organa so stupid he left a message about the kids?)