Anjohan said:
Sadly, Episode 2 will be the Leia Kidnapped plot - and with the removal of a lot of cringe, believe me, it works a lot better. Seen the edit many a times now, and what removing dumb shit does for this series/film - you have no idea!This I do believe! It’s actually astonishing how those little adjustments in removing the distractions help the entire experience. When the viewer isn’t constantly being pulled out of the show, everything just keeps building up and absorbing you in.
Couldn’t have been said better. Exactly. Spot on!
Anjohan, since it seems like we won’t be getting an explanation as to why Vader let Obi-wan leave in Episode 3 as he appeared angry about it in episode 4, I have cut a draft for how to make Obi-wan’s escape through the fire seem less like Vader intentionally let him go. Still would need a lot of soundtrack work but as a concept I thought something along these lines would make it more believable: https://streamable.com/kmx5y8
Impressive. Most impressive.
Besides the re-use of same shots one time too many, your idea is good nonetheless. I will edit it so that the droid is stand-by the moment the fire re-ignites, almost as part of the plan, and then leave it at that instead of re-using footage (not because it doesn’t necessarily work - i think I could make it work by adding some smoke effects and cropping the footage to make it distinct), but simply because I don’t think it is needed and it would still flow better.
This way, at least, it doesn’t seem like Vader has all the time in the world to make up his mind. Therefore, this was a brilliant idea - now we can also better assume that although Obi-Wan got away in a more believable way, Vader almost acknowledges to himself that he will find him again - and soon - and that the hunt gives him both purpose and some sort of twisted enjoyment, although he might have prefered to kidnap and torture Kenobi more right there and then and later on.
You have to. I don’t know if episode 4 can be saved. It’s bad bad. No underwater security? Darth Vader now speed walks? Snow speeders just hover oddly? vader doesn’t kill failures? Obiwan thinks a trench coat for a disguise will work? I literally cannot think of one salvageable moment? What if Obiwan let the water come in and they will escaped through the water?
Either way it would be convinient and/or bad writing. How so? Obi-Wan doesn´t have the opportunity to look for a better disguise (per your argument) because the writers deem it to be that way. So your rhetorical questions running nowhere.
Unless the Empire has Bantha costumes knocking around for R&R events then there’s no disguise he could have worn at all that would have hidden Leia as well. That’s not the writing, that’s just bad viewing of a scene that doesn’t require other interpretation. Also bare in mind he made it to within a few metres of the shuttles so it must have been an effective disguise.
If Obiwan was in a Storm Trooper outfit with Leia in a supply crate being wheeled/hovered around, that could have worked. What if it wasn’t them caught, but then Tala for the earlier scene as a potential spy.
Because that wouldn’t have been quick. The point is to show the time crunch the escape is under, having time to change into a full set of armour and dig out a crate would not convey a hurried rush in the same was as throwing on a coat did.
The real question is why not bring more rebreathers and escape under water in the first place.
Agreed. I felt the same way. The disguise wasn’t meant to mindfuck people, it was more a “this looks weird but we’re in a wannabe sith fortress and there are a lot of weird aliens and generals all over the place” and just as people start to expect they’re already in the next area. I think people fooled themselfs because of their own belief in the authority and security of The Empire, not because the camouflage was flawless.
True… that should’ve been the plan. Could’ve also made for a cool underwater battle/chase. Some handheld submarine equipment with scary-sounding sounds and speed. Could’ve looked awesome and felt unique. Oh well.
How could you cut out episode 4 from this edit when we have the most emotionally moving part of the whole series here with the death of the legendary Wade?
There is no question in my mind that we have to keep Episode 4 for the purpose of such an emotional farewell. I am still in shock.