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KENOBI: A STAR WARS STORY [The Radical "Help Me Obi-Wan Kenobi" Cut] — Page 3

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Hehe.

RogueLeader said:

Definitely have some ideas regarding the series too, but I’m kind of reluctant to think too hard about it until we see the whole picture. Definitely agree with trying to keep the timeline of Padme’s death kind of vague.

Anjohan, I’m curious what the sound situation is regarding the audio tracks. A lot of the music feels very generic to me, and I’m wondering if it would be a major challenge to try and rescore any of it.

Well, no film production I know of invade the surround AND center channel with music as much as LucasArts/Disney. So sound editing is always harder on a SW film, because you have to replace a lot of the soundmix with new sound effects. Fortunately I have had some great experiences these last years with audio editing having worked on my Game of Thrones edits - constantly replacing and adding sound effects and music and finding the right balance, so hopefully the audio editing will be good - and if not, one can always go back to the original score or try something else.

But still, SW audio editing is always hard because SW fans have so many ideas of what doesn’t fit and what does score-wise in the example of “no, this soundtrack is meant for THIS scene!” and “that was used when Anakin’s mother died and shouldn’t be used anywhere else”. I encountered this a lot when I did The Ancient Lore (TPM fanedit).

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The Inquisitor giving a speech about Jedi compassion is cartoon-level villainy. The official narrative of the Empire is that it is hunting down the Jedi because they betrayed the Republic, not because they are too kind. This isn’t how governments (even evil ones) spread propaganda about their enemies.

They’ve leaned way too hard into making Obi-Wan look sad, pathetic, and lonely. I think it would actually be more powerful (and, in a way, more sad) if Obi-Wan retained a degree of optimism in the face of such a dire and hopeless situation. They are doing to Obi-Wan what they did to Luke in TLJ, but it happens to be even less fitting for Obi-Wan’s character, who is typically even more stoic and steadfast than Luke.

Leia’s character is just bad. Sure, Leia was sharp as a tack in the original trilogy, but she didn’t have genius level psycho-analytical skills. Just let her be a damn kid here.

I actually really like what you did with the Anakin scene. Maybe have the transitions be faster, like an eye blinking. They are after all looking at each other, …sorta (or at least sensing each other).

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For those interested, here’s the leaked plot of the first 2 episodes of Kenobi. The order of scenes is a little different which is interesting and could inform future edits

Chapter 1
The opening chapter will begin ten years before our story takes place. Two Padwan learners flee the Jedi Temple on Coruscant as Clone Troopers murder the Jedi inside. The two kids, a girl and a boy, appear to make it out of the temple. Most likely these are younger versions of two characters we will meet as adults as the story progresses.

The logo for Star Wars: Obi-Wan Kenobi then appears on screen.

We pick up ten years later. Obi-Wan Kenobi rides his Eopie in the deserts of Tatooine. He approaches Anchorhead and ties up his mount where it will wait for him while he does his day’s work.

Kenobi sits in silence on his transport to the Dune Sea to work where he does some form of “sand whaling” with a crew of other “sand whalers.” They work for a tyrant of a boss who bullies and takes advantage of the crew. Kenobi wants to set the boss straight with some “aggressive negotiations” but resigns himself to obedient silence, determined not to make any waves.

After a day on the Dune Sea, Kenobi returns to Anchorhead, where he cleans up, and rides his Eopie home. There is a local Jawa named Tika (Teeka?) who waits for him. In a comedic sequence, we learn that the Jawa steals from Kenobi and he is often forced to buy his own items back.

Kenobi liklely buys some supplies from the Jawa and she pushes a T-16 Skyhopper toy (that she probably stole from someone else) into the transaction and to make her skedaddle he purchases the toy ship from the Jawa and she leaves.

We will experience how Kenobi buries his important possessions in the sand, probably in his cave. Kenobi digs up a few things and has a sort of ceremony, probably for his fallen friends and he buries the items again. It shows he still mourns the galaxy of friends and loved ones he lost after Order 66.

Kenobi readies for bed after a solid day of work. He reaches out with the Force for his old Jedi Master. He calls out to Qui-Gon Jinn. But Qui-Gon does not answer him. So Kenobi sits in silence and then goes to bed. This is probably a ritual of failure he conducts daily.

The next morning, Kenobi watches over the Lars Homestead from the front of his cave which looks down upon the land of Luke Skywalker’s home. When there is no one around, Obi-Wan takes the T-16 Skyhopper toy he bought from Teeka the Jawa to the property and leaves it there for ten-year-old Luke Skywalker to find. However, Uncle Owen finds it and puts it away before heading into “town.”

Meanwhile on Alderaan, Princess Leia lives in a lavish castle with her adoptive parents Bail Organa and her mother Breha. The parents dote on their daughter and adore her spirited personality.

Leia plays with her “Polly Pocket” droid named LOLA. They have a conversation about how while she is adopted, they could not love her any more if she was their biological child. She is their daughter and she is loved.

Breha, Leia’s mother, takes Leia’s droid and places her into her pocket. When she is not looking, Leia takes the droid back from her mother.

Bail and Breha converse that they fear for Leia. We get the sense that while things are right inside the castle, everything is not outside of it.

Meanwhile, back on Tatooine, a young unknown Jedi scrambles through the streets being very secretive and clearly in hiding. He scans the crowd looking for something or someone while trying not to be seen himself.

The Scythe lands in Anchorhead, kicking up dust. Three Inquisitors exit the ship. The Third Sister Reva says she can sense the Jedi and something else, perhaps Kenobi. The Grand Inquisitor says he is a shadow and she will never find him and Reva’s competitor, The Fifth Brother agrees.

Reva wants to draw the young Jedi out but she is ordered to wait. They walk through the town square interviewing and intimidating the locals. A local gives Reva some good old Anchorheadd street sass and she cuts off his hands to the astonishing amusement of The Grand Inquisitor.

Owen sees Reva’s brutality, and being seen as a local community leader he confronts Reva saying these people do not know anything about any Jedi. Owen explains how he hates those guys. Reva is close to attacking Owen when she moves on or is called away.

The Grand Inquisitor takes his pupils to a place for refreshments and explains that Jedi are predictable and easy to draw out. He threatens the bartender, framing an innocent man. The young Jedi in hiding reveals himself to save the bartender and runs.

The Inquisitors wound the young Jedi and he’s allowed to escape. However, this is all part of their plan. The Inquisitors then talk about how their plan on Alderaan was also successful and spice den pirates have the Princess. There is also a conversation at once point between the Inquisitors about how Anakin Skywalker broke free of the chains of the Jedi teachings and became much more unlike these stragglers.

Obi-Wan heads into Anchorhead to meet with Owen. They appear to periodically have these meetings. Obi-Wan wants to begin to train Luke in the ways of the Force and after his failures with the boy’s father, Owen forbids it. He tells Kenobi that he’s brought the Empire to Tatooine and he is making things worse, not better, for young Luke.

As a dejected Kenobi rides home he hears a voice call out to him. The voice is saying “Obi-Wan!” Kenobi pretends he doesn’t hear it and does not answer. The young Jedi explains his name is Nari and he has been searching for Kenobi for years.

Kenobi says he does not know what Nari is talking about; his name is Ben. Nari pleads for help. Nari says he is going to die out here without Obi-Wan’s help.

Obi-Wan tells Nari the war is over, they lost. If he wants to survive, bury his lightsaber in the sand and disappear. The two parts ways.

Later, Kenobi returns home to find Bail Organa at the Kenobi cave. Bail explains Leia has been taken. Kenobi, knowing their secret and the importance of the girl, Kenobi has to save her from the pirates as there appears to be more at play than meets the eye.

Kenobi agrees to head to Daiyu to save Princess Leia.

With the young Jedi likely bringing more heat to Tatooine, Kenobi, leaving for a bit is probably a good idea for Luke’s protection anyways.

Kenobi digs up his lightsaber and heads into Anchorhead. As he heads for the public transport he sees the dead body of Nari strung up in the town square, the poor guy didn’t make it.

A rattled Kenobi leaves Tatooine for the first time in ten years. The Inquisitors still know a powerful force user is on Tatooine as the feeling is still there after Nari’s death. They know the transport to Daiyu is off to rescue Leia and they will finally have the dirt on the Organa family to execute them.

Chapter 2
Following Bai Organa’s directions Kenobi lands on Daiyu and meets with the contact (Kumail Nanjiani) who is the seedy guy on Daiyu that points the “disguised” Kenobi towards the Spice Den where Princess Leia is being held captive.

Kenobi fights his way inside and he takes down the gang members who run the Spice Den, one by one and sometimes a few at a time. At one point he throws spice into the faces of some of the gang, getting them intoxicated and they pass out, high on their own supply.

The kidnappers attempt to take the Princess to a new location and Kenobi chases the kidnappers on the rooftops of Daiyu where Reva meets up with the chase complicating things. Meanwhile the other Inquisitors are trailing behind Kenobi in search of the Jedi.

During the chase, Reva momentarily snatches Leia’s droid LOLA. She loads a tracking device onto the droid and releases the little mechanical critter.

Eventually as the chase continues, Obi-Wan clashes with Reva and her suspicions are verified that it is Kenobi on the case. Realizing she is outclassed but with a tracking device on the droid, she lets them flee.

By the end of the episode, Kenobi has defeated the spice den kidnappers and evaded the Imperials for now. Ten-year-old Princess Leia looks at her rescuer, bloody and battered, and she is not impressed with her knight’s lack of shining armor. They scramble back to the contact (Kumail Nanjiani) to get off world.

Kumail Nanjiani introduces them to Roken and NED-B. They agree to fly them home to Alderaan but they have stops to make first.

We then see a bacta tank. We see a closed eye open. The eye of Anakin Skywalker. Darth Vader. There’s been a disturbance in the Force and he has felt it.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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Skybatman said:

what about your TPM edit ?

It is a work-in-progress for sure. Work has commenced on it since my last posts, but that project is in a whole other category and immensely time consuming and draining. I don’t even think of it as “fanediting”, more like “remaking”. The plans I have for that edit is also beyond the scope of some of the things I am able to do as of right now.

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The Inquisitor giving a speech about Jedi compassion is cartoon-level villainy. The official narrative of the Empire is that it is hunting down the Jedi because they betrayed the Republic, not because they are too kind. This isn’t how governments (even evil ones) spread propaganda about their enemies.

Agree a little bit. I think we will have to keep the opening dialogue to not make their appearance feel flat and empty. And I also think Reeva is the biggest problem, not the Grand Inquisitor.

They’ve leaned way too hard into making Obi-Wan look sad, pathetic, and lonely. I think it would actually be more powerful (and, in a way, more sad) if Obi-Wan retained a degree of optimism in the face of such a dire and hopeless situation. They are doing to Obi-Wan what they did to Luke in TLJ, but it happens to be even less fitting for Obi-Wan’s character, who is typically even more stoic and steadfast than Luke.

Agreed. This has been mentioned by a few other people in the thread as well, and I do agree. It does feel predictable and boring at this point.

Leia’s character is just bad. Sure, Leia was sharp as a tack in the original trilogy, but she didn’t have genius level psycho-analytical skills. Just let her be a damn kid here.

I like her character except for her analysis of every grown-up encounter. So yes, agreed.

I actually really like what you did with the Anakin scene. Maybe have the transitions be faster, like an eye blinking. They are after all looking at each other, …sorta (or at least sensing each other).

Thank you. I will probably revisit the scene some more as the edit go further ahead.

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It feels weird for me to say this because I’m generally extremely critical of how Luke was done in TLJ, but I think the way Obi Wan is being portrayed makes sense. It’s not really cowardly, more practical. If he completely abandoned his duty then he wouldn’t be watching over Luke and letting Owen know the expectation that Luke would be trained later. He tells the Jedi to bury his lightsaber and go into hiding because he doesn’t want him to get caught and killed (which is what happens) and he especially doesn’t want to draw any attention to Luke. He’s taking his charge very seriously and living out a boring, mundane life even when he wants to fight injustice, all because he cares so much for Luke. Bail Organa says that Obi Wan is refusing because he’s stuck in the past or something, but he’s just saying that - he obviously is going to say whatever he has to to try to persuade Kenobi to help get Leia. And as we find out, Obi Wan was right to be reluctant and the whole situation was a trap specifically for him. (side note - it would be really cool to see if Bail took his suggestion and used the vast wealth of Alderaan to hire elite bounty hunters to rescue Leia instead)

He’s playing the long game which is exactly what works in the end, and exactly what him and Yoda try to teach Luke later on in ESB. Adventure and excitement and daring rescues are great, but they make you vulnerable and exposed for people to take advantage of you or manipulate you. He’s had his entire life going on adventures and fighting in exotic places in the Clone Wars, thousands of missions heroically charging into battle with a lightsaber, and for what? It turns out that was the biggest trap of all, it was all setup for the Emperor. Sometimes the harsh but correct thing to do is patiently wait in a cave in the desert.

I don’t like Reva or a lot of the stuff with Leia but I think everything with Obi Wan is just rock solid.

Yeah, the inquisitor’s speech would make a lot more sense if it were just to other inquisitors, which is what the trailer made it seem like lol

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I’m sure things will shift and change as we push through the series. I haven’t enjoyed this much at all, but I did appreciate your cuts here; my favorite being the Leia kidnapping. I swear did Rodriguez direct that sequence? I kept expecting to those awful swoop-mopeds from Boba Fett!

Well done so far!

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I think your concept of the connection between Obi-Wan and Anakin works way better. Sure this scene needs more work (audio/video-wise) but it’s only a concept.

I disagree with one pro point of yours and that’s the lea actress. Unfortunately she’s too young to play this role more natural, but that isn’t her fault. Lea as a character here just isn’t convincing.

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The only thing that could save this show for me is removing the inquisitors, but every episode is making it harder and harder…

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Some very good stuff this episode from a “keep it ambiguous when Padme died” perspective.

Also a subtle reference to the old idea that Owen and Obi-Wan were brothers.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Episode 3 notes:

The inner “politics” of the Inquisitors is the main drag. I don’t know if it’s some of the costume decisions, or the directing on how to deliver the lines, but I have a hard time with these scenes. The behavior of the Inquisitors seems exceptionally childish and one dimensional.

Depending on how you choose to edit Obi-wan’s personality, there were a few more lines that were overly snippy/aggressive that go back to his ultra-depressed mood people have mentioned.

Overall though, I think this episode does offer more in terms of structuring a cohesive film edit as there’s some good main plot advancement. This show desperately needs your help on the soundtrack/music side of things too, and there
are probably a couple touch ups to make to the action scenes as well.

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The biggest thing music-wise for me is that when Vader stands up in his throne room we NEED to hear the Imperial March. And possibly while he’s walking down the street murdering people to draw out Kenobi.

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I’m still struggling with primary concept idea. I have no idea why Bail needed Obi-Wan to go find Leia. He’s a part of the Empire technically. A senator couldn’t send soldiers to get his daughter?

Did I miss something?

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It would be more dramatic to physically introduce Vader in the village rather than on Mustafar, besides it would spare us from looking at that terrible throne room “set”.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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mrbenja0618 said:

I’m still struggling with primary concept idea. I have no idea why Bail needed Obi-Wan to go find Leia. He’s a part of the Empire technically. A senator couldn’t send soldiers to get his daughter?

Did I miss something?

I think it was because Bail didn’t want to draw attention to his family, in order to avoid any risk of people finding out the truth about Leia.

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I’ve read all your different interpretations of the episode, and here are my few cents;

  • We see Anakin being re-assembled into Vader, and do not see him again before the village. This helps build the “The Monster is really alive” feel they go for when he starts provoking a response from Obi-Wan, killing villagers.
  • The Imperial March (perhaps a very dark, slowed-down version) HAS to play when we see him. What is up with this score??? It’s pathetic!
  • Tone down the Inquisitors - again. It is so cringe-worthy I just hope there is some good material for them in the upcoming episodes, so that we don’t have to cut them down to the bare bones.
  • Do some editing tweaks in the “duel” between Obi-Wan and Anakin. This is obvious just meant as an appetizer, but the pacing is off at some places. It should be something like “VADER SHOWS HIMSELF” -> “OBI-WAN IGNITES, DECIDES TO FLEE” -> ANAKIN ATTACKS, THREE-FOUR SECONDS OF SABER FIGHTING -> “BURNING OBI-WAN IN FLAMES” -> “OBI-WAN BEING SAVED”.

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So, so far seeing how the series is progressing you think this project will end up as a movie, shorter series or two movies (like Dune movie for ex or some older EU books - Part I and Part II) ? 😉

“The Imperial March (perhaps a very dark, slowed-down version) HAS to play when we see him. What is up with this score??? It’s pathetic!”
Couldn’t agree more, this series requiers some rescoring, the music is terrible there.

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IlFanEditore said:

mrbenja0618 said:

I’m still struggling with primary concept idea. I have no idea why Bail needed Obi-Wan to go find Leia. He’s a part of the Empire technically. A senator couldn’t send soldiers to get his daughter?

Did I miss something?

I think it was because Bail didn’t want to draw attention to his family, in order to avoid any risk of people finding out the truth about Leia.

Yeah it’s this. I think that part at least makes sense, except that there’s a lot of attention drawn to her anyway, probably more because they know she’s with Obi Wan.

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Putting in classic Williams scores would improve this show significantly. I’m really enjoying it thus far, but the edits you’re planning already just make it that much better. I’d love a movie length edit with classic Star Wars themes that can be placed in a rewatch of the films between 3 and 4.

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Do we really need to see the inquisitors on Tatooine? Start the movie with Leia getting kidnapped, then show Obi-Wan’s life on Tatooine. SO much fluff and bad writing in this show, I am shocked this is the final product that they gave us.

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idir_hh said:

It would be more dramatic to physically introduce Vader in the village rather than on Mustafar, besides it would spare us from looking at that terrible throne room “set”.

omg yes! That was absolutely terrible looking! Vader didn’t look integrated into the scene. Terrible green screen or however they did it. The mustafar sky in the background looked like someone used a noise effect in their video editing software and barely adjusted the settings. It took me right out of watching the show.

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A BETA OF THE VADER/KENOBI OPENING SCENE (I will have to adjust volume levels and fix a crossfade), but want to know thoughts:

https://streamable.com/q1dhqg

Intended to work as a more emotional introduction to Vader being put back together like a machine (It has come to my attention that the original script draft presented this scene with the tone of sadness seeing Anakin in this state - I’m trying to achieve this purpose). Also re-shaped the scene to be less flashback-y and fit better as a bridge between Kenobi ep2&3 for a movie structure.

Also did a remix of the soundtrack’s used, to better fit the tone and for the soundtracks to feel “renewed”.

Also, I’ve started re-scoring the film (which it is now intended to be) due to the immense requests for a more fitting Star Wars OST (including myself).

I don’t want this to feel fanedit-y or lose it’s identity as it’s own thing, so I will be using original score’s sparingly. So far I am using three original scores over the course of about two hours of footage (for the film, that will be cut down immensely):

A Prequel Soundtrack as Obi-Wan declines helping the “Hunted Jedi” on Tattooine -> Prequel Soundtrack: Obi-Wan starts his mission to save Leia -> Prequel Soundtracks: The three soundtracks from the clip above

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I like this sequence, but it makes me think that the “Arise” scene at the end of RotS needs to be changed now.

Maybe this footage could be incorporated there with the RotS voiceover. That way, there’s no contradiction but a different context.

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szopman said:

So, so far seeing how the series is progressing you think this project will end up as a movie, shorter series or two movies (like Dune movie for ex or some older EU books - Part I and Part II) ? 😉

“The Imperial March (perhaps a very dark, slowed-down version) HAS to play when we see him. What is up with this score??? It’s pathetic!”
Couldn’t agree more, this series requiers some rescoring, the music is terrible there.

Most likely one movie - unless the last three episodes have a great increase in quality, a two-parter film series or for instance a four-episode format might be preferable. As of right now, I am leaning very much so on keeping this inside a film format of a maximum of about 2 hours and 50 minutes.

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IlFanEditore said:

mrbenja0618 said:

I’m still struggling with primary concept idea. I have no idea why Bail needed Obi-Wan to go find Leia. He’s a part of the Empire technically. A senator couldn’t send soldiers to get his daughter?

Did I miss something?

I think it was because Bail didn’t want to draw attention to his family, in order to avoid any risk of people finding out the truth about Leia.

Yeah it’s this. I think that part at least makes sense, except that there’s a lot of attention drawn to her anyway, probably more because they know she’s with Obi Wan.

Agreed.

jordanbcooper said:

Putting in classic Williams scores would improve this show significantly. I’m really enjoying it thus far, but the edits you’re planning already just make it that much better. I’d love a movie length edit with classic Star Wars themes that can be placed in a rewatch of the films between 3 and 4.

This is the goal. You can tell me how you feel about the BETA version up above for the Kenobi/Vader sequence (originally from Kenobi EP3).

jrs81 said:

Do we really need to see the inquisitors on Tatooine? Start the movie with Leia getting kidnapped, show Obi-Wan’s life on Tatooine, then Bail shows up out of the blue to ask for Obi-Wan’s help. No need for the “phone call” from Bail either. SO much fluff and bad writing in this show, I am shocked this is the final product that they gave us.

I am starting to think that if the quality of their storyline does not reach new levels, most of their screentime will be removed.

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idir_hh said:

It would be more dramatic to physically introduce Vader in the village rather than on Mustafar, besides it would spare us from looking at that terrible throne room “set”.

omg yes! That was absolutely terrible looking! Vader didn’t look integrated into the scene. Terrible green screen or however they did it. The mustafar sky in the background looked like someone used a noise effect in their video editing software and barely adjusted the settings. It took me right out of watching the show.

This scene has been omitted. It looked terrible, and diminishes the tone and believability for me in two aspects;

    1. The CGI is awful
    1. Reeva has done NOTHING to be deserving of the respect of the audience and less so Darth Vader. I really don’t want a completely flat and cartoony villian speak with Vader in his VERY first dialogue scene.

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I’m against inserting John Williams music in one scene in particular: when Obi-Wan & Vader first meet at night. I’d say the music does a good job at selling how unsettling this reunion is, with Vader randomly killing people (including snapping a child’s neck) in a wordless attempt to bait Obi-Wan out of hiding.

It’s a great psychological attack, & if you insert the Imperial March over it, that dread & terror is going to be lost & might give off the impression of Vader being “cool” when it should read as horrifying.