I agree with Stardust1138. There are many Prequel fans who behave toxic and offend all those who don’t think like them, but there are also many Original Trilogy fans who do the exact same thing. Idiots are everywhere, no matter what their opinion is. If a person is stupid no matter what his opinion is, he remains stupid regardless, because what makes a person stupid is not his opinions, but his behavior towards others. Explanations aren’t universal and there are things that can work for some people, but that cannot work for other people. For exemple, some people say that Revenge of the Sith doesn’t work as an introduction to the Original Trilogy, or that Rogue One doesn’t work as a prequel to A New Hope. Well, I have never felt this way and I have never managed to understand the point of view of those who support these ideas, but I have always respected their opinion, because the fact that those two films work for me doesn’t mean they can work for everyone. Thank God I became a Star Wars fan in 2018/2019, when the Prequel hate was already pretty much disappeared. If I had been a Star Wars fan between 2005 and 2012 I would have been treated like shit literally by everyone, since I love the Prequel Trilogy and I’m absolutely not willing to compromise on my personal tastes. I was lucky, because my personal tastes came to coincide with an historical period in which they weren’t considered stupid and attacked by everyone. But I don’t want to imagine what the Prequel fans had to go through between 2005 and 2012…
Exactly. It was a rough time until around 2016/2017. That’s when I feel the shift fully started. I also respect everyone’s opinion but it may not seem clear with how I tend to side more with George than fans.
“For years Prequel fans were silenced and told we were wrong for liking them. We were laughed at and smeared for not understanding Star Wars like those who grew up with the Original Trilogy.”
No, the whataboutery doesn’t wash, or hold true. You may also want to look at the history of this forum and why it was formed.
Exactly what I’m saying. So no reason to pinpoint just Prequel fans at first as the only ones who can go a little far in how we all discuss the films.
Don’t put words in my mouth. This is something you have before, along with your insults. I didn’t pinpoint Prequels fans:
I also struggle to understand George and Prequel zealots’ narrow minded views of people not liking the Prequels is because “you just don’t understand them” or “no, you must watch X, Y, Z to understand George intent and his films”, or simply trying to work George into every post or thread they make. This seems to be a more recent occurrence online in general for PT discussions. Rarely ever talking about the what occurs onscreen, what they themselves actually enjoyed about the the PT, or adding anything new to the discussions, other than condescension and some veiled insults, and also derailing the original topic of the thread. I’m not talking about about the everyday regular Prequel fans or people who simply enjoy most things Star Wars, just the G&P zealots.
Quite clearly I said George & Prequel Zealots. Not everyday regular Prequel fans or those who enjoy most things Star Wars. I have bolded the parts above for you.
Have you seen The People versus George Lucas or the Red Letter Media “reviews”? They’re incredibly biased towards being against George Lucas, the Prequels, and anyone who likes them. They don’t hold equal discussion but merely what reinforces the majority.
It appears it is you are attempting some gaslighting.
If you have seen The People versus George Lucas you know people from this website contributed to it and featured on it, including the site founder and owner, and long time members. You may want to take a closer look at some of the threads on the documentary, and treat people here with more respect. Not condescension, whataboutery or attempts to play at portraying yourself as a victim, when you fuck up and get things wrong.
People have continued to direct you to The Secret History Of Star Wars, Pollock’s Skywwalking book, and the GL: Unreliable Narrator thread. Have you actually taken the time to read through them, or do you just ignore them and continue to expect people to watch the inane and off-topic links you post up on here?
Digging oneself deeper by throwing YouTube videos at people, fascinating tactic.
I didn’t realise there were set rules of how to communicate a message and share information.
I know sometimes I can go a little far in explaining certain things but I’m merely relying what I know without any vendetta towards George. Some don’t like everything he did with Star Wars and that’s fine. However the need to vilify him and treat him like he doesn’t understand his story is defeating the purpose of knowing what Star Wars always meant. It’s personal for all of us but it’s even more personal to him as he created it to begin with.
Not being snarky and patronizing would be a good start on better communication with others on here.
George lies, deceives, retcons and is disingenuous in many of his claims over the years. These are the simply the facts, even if you don’t like that. Because this is one of the few forums that highlight his bullshit doesn’t mean there is a vendetta against him, or people are vilifying him, or can’t highlight his contradictory claims or attempts at re-writing history.
As others have said: facts and the truth matter. “Ignoring facts doesn’t mean they cease to exist”.
Stop acting like a Lucas zealot. Or troll. Read and acknowledge what this forum is about. Engage people in good faith, actually listen and take on board what they have to say. Or just leave.
I did actually watch the documentary a few years ago. I barely care to remember watching it though as it merely reinforces false claims and a need to circle around a debate on who owns the films. It’s not the fans. I have no disrespect to anyone who took part in the making of it or don’t like the Prequels but the fact of the matter is that it’s a documentary reinforcing beliefs of a segment of disgruntled fans that don’t speak for the majority elsewhere within the fandom. The fact that even Mark Hamill condemns it should be a clue to what he and others involved in the making of the films think. Yet you say Gary Kurtz and David Prowse were in it. It’s not like they didn’t have any personal biases against George. Marcia Lucas even went on record in calling out Gary in Howard Kazanjian’s book. That’s not to say either one weren’t important to what Star Wars became as they were absolutely a major part in shaping it but to act like they know everything there is to know about Star Wars is false. People will cite them as knowing the absolute facts before George but that’s just not true. The fact is the stories grew and evolved. It may not have stayed exactly the same as it was in early drafts but that’s what storytelling is all about. It’s evolving a story and letting it take the natural progression you as the artist want to take it. George just had a different idea on certain things. Why is this a problem? He can contradict himself all he wants as the story isn’t set in stone until we sit down to experience it. He’s always evolving it though like a Renaissance painter. Do people have a problem with them fine tuning their work? George sees it exactly the same way. It doesn’t belong to me or you either.
You can act like I’m the one being zealot but you’re the one who felt the need to go through my posts from last year to message me pointing out where you think I am wrong about certain things. So maybe you should take a look at yourself before you accuse me of being the only zealous one here.