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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
I think they should do what they did post-Dalton: take a hiatus of about 6 years, then revive the franchise. However, it appears that they plan to revive the franchise with a Casino Royale remake, casting a much younger Bond, which wouldn't be a bad thing either.


Its only a remake if you consider the 1954 made-for-TV flick as a true James Bond film.
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
I think they should do what they did post-Dalton: take a hiatus of about 6 years, then revive the franchise. However, it appears that they plan to revive the franchise with a Casino Royale remake, casting a much younger Bond, which wouldn't be a bad thing either.


Its only a remake if you consider the 1954 made-for-TV flick as a true James Bond film.
I've seen parts of that.

Had Peter Lorre in it if I recall.

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Is this available on VHS or DVD? I've heard of it but have never seen it on broadcast TV or in video stores.
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I think they should do what they did post-Dalton: take a hiatus of about 6 years, then revive the franchise. However, it appears that they plan to revive the franchise with a Casino Royale remake, casting a much younger Bond, which wouldn't be a bad thing either.


Its only a remake if you consider the 1954 made-for-TV flick as a true James Bond film.


Of course. They would NEVER re-film that 1960's horrible monstrosity... They'd be more faithful to the book, which - from what I've heard and read - is also kinda silly too.
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Actually, I think my dad recorded it off one of the cable movie networks (TCM or AMC) several years ago.
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Bond is inherently silly; the best of the series capitalised on this without going too far over the top. Consider Goldfinger and its contrast with, say, A View to a Kill?

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Goldfinger marks the beginning of Bond being silly, a better analogy would be Dr No or FRWL compared to AVTAK or Moonraker.

Edit: Oh, I see what you're getting at, never mind.
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Bond will allways be weird American entertainment.

Why does everybody have some crazy obsession, like blowing up the world, changing from asian into a white guy, or turning bikini babes into gold. (BTW, why not sell her on Ebay rather than leaving her in Bond's bed)

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I wish that the comedy in Bond films didn't catch on, I would have much rather have had serious adaptations of Fleming's work.

The closest movie to book Bond film I can think of is FRWL, only because I haven't read Dr. No, which I would think would probably be closer.

FRWL follows the book very very close, until that ridiculous boat chase.
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Don't even get me started on what they did to You Only Live Twice...
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I've only seen:

The start of Goldfinger

Most of World's not Enuf

All of Die Another Day.

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Then how can you pass judgment on the whole series? I've seen each of them at least 3 times and I've read about 6 or 7 Fleming novels plus about 3 of John Gardner's.
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I've read enough about them to know that it's over all very silly. Besides, I've played ever game since (But not incluidng) Goldeneye and up to (but not including) Everything or nothing.

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Hopefully there will be no sequels to "Catwoman" or "Elektra" (though some may view that piece of junk as a sequel of sorts to "Daredevil").
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

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I heard Elektra wasn't that bad, though. I haven't seen a comicbook movie since SpiderMan II.

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Chaltab, having read your last 20 or so posts, I have come to the conclusion that you are an idiot.

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I've read enough about them to know that it's over all very silly. Besides, I've played ever game since (But not incluidng) Goldeneye and up to (but not including) Everything or nothing.


Then you've played one good game and a bunch of crap ones, EON is the best.
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Chaltab, having read your last 20 or so posts, I have come to the conclusion that you are an idiot.


How am I an idiot? Besides, that's only 20 of nearly 3500! How can you say I'm an idiot after just twenty?

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Ok, here is my take on Bond. I like the funny stuff. True perhaps it can become too silly like in Moonraker. But still I though Bond was always better when it wasn't too serious. That is why I hate Lisence to Kill. It turned Bond into a bad imitation of Dirty Harry. I agree with Bossk that the Brosnan era was the victim of bad writing. I actually think that Brosnan is better that Dalton but his era is also the victim of bad writing. To me Bond was at its best when it was humorous and light. I think its time to end the Brosnan era. I think they need to have a lot less action and more spying in the future Bond movies. In the old Bond movies Bond would sneak into the bad guy's hideout using his brain and Q's gadgets, In the latest era, he would shoot his way in. That has got to stop. I'd like to see more humor but not too much, more spying, less action, and more sophistication. And please no more opening credits with Bond being tortured in the background. One last thing, and I know this is going to sound sexist, but is anyone else bothered by a female M?

BTW, any rumors on who the next Bond will be?
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If it's Orlando Bloom I'll laugh my head off at the misforutune of male Bond fans everywhere.

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I love Moonraker too, mostly because of the opening scene, the funny steteotypized view of south america, and Jaws cutting the sugarloaf cart cables with his teeth.

Brosnan was a very good Bond, so much I'd like so see him again in another Bond movie (just one more). He can't end his Bond era with the silly "Die Another Day".

I heard the next Bond would be... whatshisname... Clive Owen? Is that right? Is that his name?
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I gotta admit that as fun as the humorous Bond was, I really dug the revenge driven Bond from License to Kill. Dalton was excellent in that movie.

Brosnan, on the surface, is the ideal Bond. He looks the part, can be a tough guy or a suave and smooth guy. He's not too young, not too old. And he's the epitome of cool. But the movies he was in sucked. Plain and simple. I'd be more than willing to give him another chance if they bring in new writers, a director with his own vision, and a whole new route for Bond. I think Brosnan would have been great with a script like L2K. But alas.

Female M doesn't bother me at all.

You all think Cleese will be back in the next one?
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Having now read almost all of Fleming's books in order (I'm currently in OHMSS) I can say unequivocally that Dalton actually came closer to capturing the true essence of Bond than anybody, including Connery. Connery remains my favorite, but Dalton captured the lethal seriousness of Bond better than anybody, and it was no accident. The supplements on The Living Daylights confirm how he really wanted to get back to the roots of the character, taking unused plot points from the novels and showing some of Bond's vulnerability. This, of course, built upon where director John Glen had been trying to take the franchise in the 80's. The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker were so over-the-top fanciful, that they had to take Bond back down to earth. They successfully did this on For Your Eyes Only, but started slipping back to the fanciful again with Octopussy and AVTAK. This was more of Broccoli's decision than Glen's.

Dalton was in the unfortunate position of being chosen second. Pierce had already been announced as the next Bond and was a household name, thanks to Remington Steele. People wanted him as Bond. Then NBC screwed him (twice) and Dalton became the next Bond. (Side note: Dalton was actually in the running 15 years earlier when Moore landed the part). A serious actor, he tried to take the character back to its serious roots. People didn't like the cold Bond as much at the time, and box office returns for Licence to Kill proved it. MGM went into bankruptcy for other reasons, Bond was put on hold for six years, Dalton decided not to return, Pierce was available, and the franchise was jump-started in the 90's.

In the world of "what might have been," had a bond movie been made in 91, Dalton would have played the part, and it is possible he could have surpassed the hurdle of "Licence to Kill" in a time when the cold war was ending. The perception of his films improved with age.

I'm most interested in where the franchise is going now. Martin Campbell is back in the director's chair. Casino Royale is finally being adapted properly. Sony now controls the Eon productions as well as the "McClory" offshoot. Pierce is out. Christian Bale hedged his bet on Batman, knowing it would cost him a real shot at playing Bond. People are talking more about Clive Owen (including the man himself) as taking over the role, but the producers apparently are leaning more towards Ioan Gruffud (Mr. Fantastic) so it's anybody's guess. Clive I think could get the character closer to Connery's incarnation than anybody, but the producers tend to get the "first" choice always about 10 years too late. That happened with Moore, with Dalton and with Brosnan as the record shows.
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Hell, I never even realized that Dalton was an actor 15 years before he landed the Bond role. The first thing I ever saw him in was Flash Gordon as Prince Baron.

Of the current candidates, I'm thinking Owen might be best. People may have heard of him but he's not a household name yet like some of the others who have been mentioned in the same breath as the name Bond. Ioan Gruffud is even less of a name but I think the superhero turn in FF might hurt his credibility. But that mental decision remains to be made until after the film comes out. I'll reserve judgment until then.

Bale would be a good Bond, but I think too young. I still think that Bond should be right around late 30s at the youngest. 40s is better. That's just the image I have of Bond in my head.

Orlando Bloom? I'd never come within 100 feet of the theater if he's cast.
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