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One thing you wish were still canon

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I wanted to ask what things you wish were still canon out of the books/comics etc. declared non canon after Disney acquired Lucasfilm. Mine is Darth Plagueis by James Luceno. It’s a great book although a little dense. It was really interesting to learn more about Plagueis because Palpatine’s comment in episode 3 left me feeling intrigued.

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I wish the system - which I believe originated in KOTOR, which I’m currently playing for the first time - of lightsaber colours being chosen according to whether you’re a Jedi Guardian (blue), Consular (green) or Sentinel (yellow) was still canon. I like the idea of your lightsaber colour meaning something about you as a person. In canon, blue green and yellow lightsabers only signify that you’re probably a Jedi, and that’s about it.

There are novels and comics like Zahn’s original Thrawn trilogy, Shadows of the Empire and James Luceno’s Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader, that I love. But I’m actually happy with those being part of a separate timeline to make room for new stories. I don’t think Disney declaring loads of beloved Star Wars stuff non-canon was them tossing it aside and implying it doesn’t matter, canonicity was just the chosen system for distinguishing the different timelines. I’m fine with that.

I do hope they make the KOTOR games effectively canon by not straying far from the original story in this remake (and possible remakes of KOTOR 2 and SWTOR, who knows?) they have coming up.

“Remember, the Force will be with you. Always.”

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The Original Original Trilogy.

The first Two Brian Daley Radio Drama’s.

The Novelizations of the original trilogy.

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The 2003 Clone Wars cartoons. I’ve seen others talk about these on here the same way I see them. Wacky, fun, heavily stylized, but also introduced some cool ideas and characters into Star Wars.

jedi_bendu said:

I wish the system - which I believe originated in KOTOR, which I’m currently playing for the first time - of lightsaber colours being chosen according to whether you’re a Jedi Guardian (blue), Consular (green) or Sentinel (yellow) was still canon. I like the idea of your lightsaber colour meaning something about you as a person.

I really liked the idea of that too. Headcanon rules!

“The other Sequels were the result of an over-anxious press. The original intention was to make three [films], and that was really the end of it. It was not until 10 years after the first [film] that I thought of doing a back story.” - George Lucas, speaking at the Premiere of ROTS in 2005

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I don’t pay attention to the concept of “official Canon”. To me it’s Canon what I decide to be Canon. So, I don’t want anything to still be Canon, simply because for me it’s Canon everything I decide it is, and I don’t give a s**t about what Disney says. In my head, many of the things that are considered as non-Canon are still Canon, and vice versa. So, I don’t need to wish that something is still Canon, simply because for me many things have never stopped being Canon to begin with.

The Clone Wars Multimedia Project = Canon
The Darth Bane Trilogy = Canon
The Old Republic stuff = Canon
The Force Unleashed = Canon

TCW = Non-Canon
Rebels = Non-Canon
The Mandalorian = Non-Canon
The Sequel Trilogy = Non-Canon

«This is where the fun begins!»
(Anakin Skywalker)

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I’d want the Dark Horse story “The Savage Heart,” where Vader’s stranded on a savanna world with pack animals after the Battle of Yavin. It’s a little goofy, but it does some cool stuff with Vader’s man-machine dichotomy.

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Hal 9000 said:

That Lando introduced Luke to hot chocolate.

+1

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-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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Currently reading Plagueis right now and have to agree, it’s super dense. Started slow and I almost gave up but I’m glad I didn’t because it definitely picked up.

Although the Jedi Academy trilogy isn’t great, I’d love to see aspects of it brought into live action canon, like Admiral Daala, the Maw Installation, and the sun crusher.

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Darth Malgus said:

I don’t pay attention to the concept of “official Canon”. To me it’s Canon what I decide to be Canon. So, I don’t want anything to still be Canon, simply because for me it’s Canon everything I decide it is, and I don’t give a s**t about what Disney says. In my head, many of the things that are considered as non-Canon are still Canon, and vice versa. So, I don’t need to wish that something is still Canon, simply because for me many things have never stopped being Canon to begin with.

The Clone Wars Multimedia Project = Canon
The Darth Bane Trilogy = Canon
The Old Republic stuff = Canon
The Force Unleashed = Canon

TCW = Non-Canon
Rebels = Non-Canon
The Mandalorian = Non-Canon
The Sequel Trilogy = Non-Canon

I get this and in general agree. However, official cannon does matter in how it affects new projects and media. And that can affect whether a story works for someone or not.

I very much dislike the idea that Anakin built Threepio. But for all official media that is the way it happened and all future stories will be written with that as his origin (should it ever come up again). There’s likely no chance of having a story told in new media that deviates from that history/origin except in a “what if” type scenario.

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Three things:

  1. Tales of the Jedi (including the art and all story details)

  2. Shadows of the Empire

  3. Joruus CBaoth

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I was going to say Mara Jade or Kyle Katarn, but having thought about it, I’d want the ancient Sith wars to be canon again. I know they contradict George’s words on the matter, but one of my biggest problems with the current canon is its lack of a well defined galactic history.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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The entire franchise is make believe.
Lucas and/or Disney deciding what’s real vs otherwise is laughable. That levels ranking they came up with is even more so. If you like a series of novels, read them. That’s canon for you. If you don’t like something, ignore it.

Your imagination decides the story that moves you and the world you escape into when you read. Same goes for the films, games, or TV shows. When you were kids, did you stop playing with the toys or figures if someone said you weren’t imagining your own story correctly? Of course not.

Why in the world would you allow Lucas or Disney to do that now? Man, some of the takes that Lucas came up with and then claimed they were the real story were idiotic. Darth Vader as a little kid building 3PO? That is spit-take level ridiculous.

I really like the Zahn novels. So for me, Luke grows up, marries Mara Jade, and they have adventures fighting the good fight. That’s my Luke Skywalker. It sure as hell isn’t some old kook who tosses his lightsaber over his shoulder and then goes off to milk a giant sea creature for a snack. WTF?

There are hundreds of Star Wars novels and stories out there. Read and enjoy. They’re every bit as real as the rest of the GFFA.

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Anchorhead said:

The entire franchise is make believe.
Lucas and/or Disney deciding what’s real vs otherwise is laughable. That levels ranking they came up with is even more so. If you like a series of novels, read them. That’s canon for you. If you don’t like something, ignore it.

Your imagination decides the story that moves you and the world you escape into when you read. Same goes for the films, games, or TV shows. When you were kids, did you stop playing with the toys or figures if someone said you weren’t imagining your own story correctly? Of course not.

Why in the world would you allow Lucas or Disney to do that now? Man, some of the takes that Lucas came up with and then claimed they were the real story were idiotic. Darth Vader as a little kid building 3PO? That is spit-take level ridiculous.

I really like the Zahn novels. So for me, Luke grows up, marries Mara Jade, and they have adventures fighting the good fight. That’s my Luke Skywalker. It sure as hell isn’t some old kook who tosses his lightsaber over his shoulder and then goes off to milk a giant sea creature for a snack. WTF?

There are hundreds of Star Wars novels and stories out there. Read and enjoy. They’re every bit as real as the rest of the GFFA.

Perfectly said. Too often people take these stories like they’re some sort of holy sacred text with religious truth. They fight and argue over what’s “real” and what’s “canon” and I firmly believe it is ruining the way people enjoy and experience entertainment and fiction.

Move along, move along.

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I actually prefer the Old EU to be separate as the Disneyfied aka canon variants aren’t at all the same. Like Thrawn for example i don’t care for Disney Thrawn.

Mara could show up as an inquisitor or something but she wouldn’t be Mara. Only by name.

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Mara is too good for the new canon. Too good for the old canon, too, to be frank.

“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”

― Leo Tolstoy

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One thing I’d like to see “canon” isn’t so much one particular story or character, but rather a type of story: One off little adventures.

The Han Solo and Lando Calrissian adventures by Brian Daley and L Neil Smith are the perfect examples of this. They make up their own friends and foes, go to completely new worlds, and don’t rely on the same derivative elements and ideas.

They are simply entertaining stories that go off to new places. There’s weird stuff, there’s badass stuff, there’s funny stuff. Its perfect. Star Wars Visions and the Star Wars Tales comics somewhat follow this same idea, though without the parody or “fan-servicy” elements of the later.

Move along, move along.

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You mean like adventure stories in the Star Wars universe. Because Daley’s Han Solo almost had the flavor of Indiana Jones, pulp comics or film serials. And the novels while a trilogy are loosely connected one offs.

Or the sillier side of the original Marvel like Jaxxon, and the 8 for aduba-3. I kind of enjoy that and the Lumiya comics that came after ROTJ, except for the hiromi.

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Personally I wished the Star Wars X-Wing / Rogue Squadron books & games and the lore that came with it were canon, haven’t seen anything recent from the series but I noticed some newly recorded audiobooks (or they’re just updated on Audible). Would be neat to see those stories incorporated into the canon storylines, or a new game or book, since the official Rogue Squadron project was apparently pushed back, source: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/15/star-wars-spinoff-rogue-squadron-off-calendar-as-disney-shores-up-film-slate.html