logo Sign In

Post #1477199

Author
Stardust1138
Parent topic
Things you DISLIKE about the Original Trilogy ( but not the Ewoks, Leia and Luke being siblings, Death Star 2 etc.)
Link to post in topic
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1477199/action/topic#1477199
Date created
24-Mar-2022, 1:14 PM

theprequelsrule said:

I really don’t like, and this has only bothered me recently, how important it is for Luke to be a Jedi. The whole “we have a new enemy who could destroy us” thing is weird. I mean…why can’t Yoda help The Rebels? Why did he bother going into hiding? The PT doesn’t help at all in resolving this stuff either; if anything it makes it worse. Yoda can’t defeat The Empero, so what chance would Luke have? Yoda remarks that only a fully trained Jedi can defeat Yoda and The Emperor. Did he forgot how he couldn’t defeat Palpatine after being a Jedi for who knows how long?

The only explanation that makes sense to me is that, as conceived during the production of ESB, a Jedi Master is more like a coach/trainer, but did not have the advanced combat skills that a Jedi Knight did. So a Master is a different position rather than a superior rank in the Jedi Order.

I suppose having Jedi on The Rebellions side could be a huge PR cure for The Rebellion…Luke would be a great status symbol and give legitimacy to the cause. But it needs to be flushed out how important Jedi are to the legitimacy of the galactic government…but I think I am straying a little from the Topic.

I also dislike how overpowered The Force becomes in ESB and the later films. To use an analogy from Dune; I prefer it as something that gives people the abilities of a Mentat/bene geserit (at most). Which I think was the initial conception.

Why can’t he help the Rebels? He’s older now for one. He’s also come to the belief that wars don’t make one great and arguably I think the biggest reason he decides to stay hidden is in the event Luke fails he can train Leia. I mean he could see it as Luke would only have a chance at defeating Palpatine and Vader as a fully trained Jedi. It doesn’t contradict really. If anything it’s him knowing from experience that a said Jedi would stand a chance. It just wasn’t Yoda’s particular destiny to defeat Palpatine.

So there’s really nothing there I see as contradicting but merely a wisdom of knowing when to get involved and when to stay patient with the past experiences he had during the Old Republic era.

The importance of the Jedi is shown throughout the Prequels. They’re peacekeepers and negotiators. Albeit they’ve lost their way in certain ways but they’re still doing their best. It makes sense as Bail Organa originally sent out for Obi-Wan as it is said in Revenge of the Sith when they’re all together the Jedi will disappear until the time is right. The connection is established between the early seeds of the Rebel Alliance and Jedi working together in that scene. So naturally when Obi-Wan and Bail for that matter end up passing on Luke becomes the Jedi within their ranks while Leia takes Bail’s role. However one could just as well see Luke is serving the Rebel Alliance like everyone else as his whole time with Yoda is learning to be a Jedi. It’s different from being a hero in the Rebel Alliance which includes adventure but like Yoda said a Jedi doesn’t crave having one. Being a Jedi requires more discipline as then in Return of the Jedi you see Luke go into the heart of the Empire with Death Star II versus A New Hope when he’s more externally connected to the conflict with the first Death Star.

The natural question after Return of the Jedi though I think is asking how the Jedi Order and New Republic will coexist but that loose end wasn’t picked up on per say.

To answer the original question, the only thing I can think of that I dislike about the Original Trilogy is Luke and Leia kissing but in a way there’s a lot of mythology that does the same thing. So while it is weird that they do kiss it’s not completely unheard of within myth and we know it influenced George. The story did evolve away it seems from having twins but there were earlier drafts of A New Hope with twins. So it ended up finding its way back into the story and from a mythological perspective it works.