I dislike both the NJO & Legacy eras. The latter more than the former, but not by much. Imagine how happy I was when I learned Disney was decanonizing them. Alas, they just replaced hot garbage with more of the same. . . .
I think originally it was Anakin Solo who was supposed to fall to the darkside, but they were not only not allowed to tell that story they were ordered to kill him off because we cannot have two Anakins. So Jacen was the one to go bad. Also Luke was supposed to be the one to die at Jacen’s hand not Mara, well Lucas wouldn’t allow it. Karen Traviss wanted Luke to die.
Denning actually wanted to resurrect Anakin Solo, it was not allowed.
I don’t know if there is anything i really hate in the New EU, its all so Meh it barely warrants any kind of reaction or response. We don’t have wild stories and crazy stuff anymore, like even the bad old EU having some kind of creativity, All the new stuff is just all so same. I guess you would say homogenized. Or its not an Expanded universe is an explanatory fill in the blank for the Disney films universe.
I hate the EU’s tendency to make everything more complicated than it needs to be and stretch the meaning of the movies’ dialogue to an absurd degree. I know the prequels did this too, but the EU never gets called out on it.
I hate the Dark Empire comics, because they contradict the Chosen One Prophecy and undermind Anakin’s sacrifice in Return of the Jedi, as well as contradicting Luke’s character (he would have never fallen to the Dark Side).
Also, I deeply hate everything that takes place after The New Jedi Order series. The way the handled Jacen’s character in Legacy of the Force, the Abeloth plot and Darth Krayt are all stupid. The universe should have ended with the NJO in my opinion.
«This is where the fun begins!»
(Anakin Skywalker)
That Kyle Katarn will probably never show up in the Disney-verse.
That Kyle Katarn will probably never show up in the Disney-verse.
Is that even a bad thing if he’s already a beloved character in Legends? What more does Kyle need?
“Remember, the Force will be with you. Always.”
That Kyle Katarn will probably never show up in the Disney-verse.
Is that even a bad thing if he’s already a beloved character in Legends? What more does Kyle need?
A port of the original Dark Forces to modern systems?
Tarkin stealing the idea for a spherical space ship rather than coming up with it: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Expeditionary_Battle_Planetoid
The fans who argue “If it wasn’t supposed to be canon, Lucas wouldn’t have allowed it to be published.” Based on that logic, Lego Star Wars is canon.
The fans who argue “If it wasn’t supposed to be canon, Lucas wouldn’t have allowed it to be published.” Based on that logic, Lego Star Wars is canon.
The difference is that there was a very precise Canon hierarchy before 2014.
Everything about Lego was part of the N Canon level, so It was never Canon. Never. The sarcastic and satiric material is not Canon, it doesn’t take a genius to understand it…
«This is where the fun begins!»
(Anakin Skywalker)
I never liked the absurd levels of power Luke is capable of using in the Legacy of the Force series and subsequent works. After the NJO the levels of Force power have become extremely exaggerated, Luke has come to the point of being able of becoming one with the Force and resurrect at will. It’s so crazy! I mean, I understand that Luke is the son of the Chosen One and he’s very powerful, but these are powers that even Anakin couldn’t have used if he had been able to acquire his full Force potential. They’re absurd powers and they make no sense at all. You can say anything you want about Starkiller, but Starkiller had a power limit. Starkiller has never been able to become a Force ghost at will, the most powerful thing he did was make a Stardestroyer fall to the ground, which is a very impressive, yet still possible thing.
«This is where the fun begins!»
(Anakin Skywalker)
Mara and Anakin weren’t resurrected though. Jacen didn’t even become a force ghost, he was lost forever.
But i do remember people saying if Denning was allowed to do it he would have had Luke cutting star destroyers in half with his lightsaber,lol.
Resurrection is a Sith power. They don’t respect life. Jedi respect the balance and that includes letting people pass on to join the force. At least that was well done in the prequels, one of the few things Lucas did well. The contrast between Yoda’s philosophy and Palpatine’s.
Its also one of the things i think Veitch got wrong for Dark Empire. Luke thought he could use the dark side to save his friends and remake the galaxy the way he wanted it to be. That is totally Anakin Skywalker, but not Luke. He would have ended up losing his friends, if not having to kill them and he would have ended up another Palpatine.
At least at the end of that story Leia pulls him out of this delusion.
The Denningverse
That the TIE Fighter is actually the “Tie Line Fighter” and its predeccesors are “TIE Fighter” and “T.I.E. Fighter”.
The Legacy Era
I hate the post-1999 EU Jedi with every all of myself.
“Sometimes we must let go of our pride, and do what is requested to us.”
– Anakin Skywalker
I hate the post-1999 EU Jedi with every all of myself.
Agree. I can tolerate the prequel-era Jedi to an extent, but it really got my goat when their characteristics were applied to Jedi outside that era.
“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”
― Leo Tolstoy
I hate the post-1999 EU Jedi with every all of myself.
Agree. I can tolerate the prequel-era Jedi to an extent, but it really got my goat when their characteristics were applied to Jedi outside that era.
Which contradicted existing stories establishing that Jedi in other eras weren’t like that.
I hate the post-1999 EU Jedi with every all of myself.
Agree. I can tolerate the prequel-era Jedi to an extent, but it really got my goat when their characteristics were applied to Jedi outside that era.
Which contradicted existing stories establishing that Jedi in other eras weren’t like that.
“George is doing it, so why can’t we?”
“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”
― Leo Tolstoy
Okay, so here are my picks:
The sheer amount of cataclysmic events and wars that follow RoTJ. Seriously, it’s like Luke, Han, Leia, and Lando just can’t catch a break. Every 2 years something insane happens and of course they’re the ones that have to fix it. They never get to retire or live out their happy ending. I don’t have an issue with new conflicts starting up, but do they always have to be so intense and involve the same ten people? This is why I’m very picky with my post RotJ content, and why I prefer to just go by head-canon.
“Never tell me the odds” is apparently some sort of Correllian belief or something? Seriously? Not only does it subtract from Han’s uniqueness, its just stupid.
I dislike how the Fate of the Jedi series turns “the Ones” from the Clone Wars Mortis episodes into mere celestials. I always thought there was something much more spiritual and psychological with those characters and their planet. But no, now all the mystery surrounding them is gone and they’ve been reduced to some overpowered superhero villains.
Also, why is there a need to overexplain almost everything? I get that a great deal of EU lore stems from the old West End Games RPG where it made sense to explain certain things seen on screen, but still. The EU as a whole goes too far with this.
Vitiate is terrible. Way too overpowered and boring. Also, I’m not the biggest fan of KOTOR and that era, but having Vitiate be the reason Revan and Malak turn to the Dark Side is stupid. Completely removes any sense of agency and choice those characters had in their decisions.
Move along, move along.
Okay, so here are my picks:
The sheer amount of cataclysmic events and wars that follow RoTJ. Seriously, it’s like Luke, Han, Leia, and Lando just can’t catch a break. Every 2 years something insane happens and of course they’re the ones that have to fix it. They never get to retire or live out their happy ending. I don’t have an issue with new conflicts starting up, but do they always have to be so intense and involve the same ten people? This is why I’m very picky with my post RotJ content, and why I prefer to just go by head-canon.
“Never tell me the odds” is apparently some sort of Correllian belief or something? Seriously? Not only does it subtract from Han’s uniqueness, its just stupid.
I dislike how the Fate of the Jedi series turns “the Ones” from the Clone Wars Mortis episodes into mere celestials. I always thought there was something much more spiritual and psychological with those characters and their planet. But no, now all the mystery surrounding them is gone and they’ve been reduced to some overpowered superhero villains.
Also, why is there a need to overexplain almost everything? I get that a great deal of EU lore stems from the old West End Games RPG where it made sense to explain certain things seen on screen, but still. The EU as a whole goes too far with this.
Vitiate is terrible. Way too overpowered and boring. Also, I’m not the biggest fan of KOTOR and that era, but having Vitiate be the reason Revan and Malak turn to the Dark Side is stupid. Completely removes any sense of agency and choice those characters had in their decisions.
Absolutely agree on 1, 3, and Revan and Malak being possessed by Vitiate. Revan and Malak choosing to turn to the Dark Side is a key part of their stories and characters.
- The sheer amount of cataclysmic events and wars that follow RoTJ. Seriously, it’s like Luke, Han, Leia, and Lando just can’t catch a break. Every 2 years something insane happens and of course they’re the ones that have to fix it. They never get to retire or live out their happy ending. I don’t have an issue with new conflicts starting up, but do they always have to be so intense and involve the same ten people? This is why I’m very picky with my post RotJ content, and why I prefer to just go by head-canon.
The primary reason why I have the Hand of Thrawn duology as my cut-off point. The Galactic Civil War is finally over, Luke and Mara are engaged to be married, and Leia has that sweet ruby lightsaber. The best possible ending to the Expanded Universe, I say.
“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”
― Leo Tolstoy
- The sheer amount of cataclysmic events and wars that follow RoTJ. Seriously, it’s like Luke, Han, Leia, and Lando just can’t catch a break. Every 2 years something insane happens and of course they’re the ones that have to fix it. They never get to retire or live out their happy ending. I don’t have an issue with new conflicts starting up, but do they always have to be so intense and involve the same ten people? This is why I’m very picky with my post RotJ content, and why I prefer to just go by head-canon.
The primary reason why I have the Hand of Thrawn duology as my cut-off point. The Galactic Civil War is finally over, Luke and Mara are engaged to be married, and Leia has that sweet ruby lightsaber. The best possible ending to the Expanded Universe, I say.
Yeah, I’m of the same view. It’s an ideal endpoint. The star war is over, and for a moment, the galaxy is at peace. Everything that comes after is better off left as something to speculate about. I’ll probably avoid reading any EU books set after 19 ABY, for that reason.
But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.
The primary reason why I have the Hand of Thrawn duology as my cut-off point. The Galactic Civil War is finally over, Luke and Mara are engaged to be married, and Leia has that sweet ruby lightsaber. The best possible ending to the Expanded Universe, I say.
I prefer to end the Expanded Universe with the NJO series and the end of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. But if I have to put myself in your place, then, wouldn’t it be better to end the Expanded Universe with the Union comic in which Luke and Mara get officially married and the war is officially over? I think their wedding ceremony could be a nice ending for the universe as well.
“Sometimes we must let go of our pride, and do what is requested to us.”
– Anakin Skywalker
The primary reason why I have the Hand of Thrawn duology as my cut-off point. The Galactic Civil War is finally over, Luke and Mara are engaged to be married, and Leia has that sweet ruby lightsaber. The best possible ending to the Expanded Universe, I say.
I prefer to end the Expanded Universe with the NJO series and the end of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. But if I have to put myself in your place, then, wouldn’t it be better to end the Expanded Universe with the Union comic in which Luke and Mara get officially married and the war is officially over? I think their wedding ceremony could be a nice ending for the universe as well.
The comic came out six months after TPM. I consider everything released on and after May 19, 1999 non-canon. Plus it has Jedi in desert hermit robes.
That’s an automatic disqualification.
“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”
― Leo Tolstoy