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Should Palpatine have been the one to say “To be angry is to be human”?
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16-Mar-2022, 9:49 AM
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“her”, not “him”

ken-obi said:

darklordoftech said:

This way it would be Palpatine pushing Anakin toward the Dark Side rather than Padmé seeing nothing wrong with slaughtering children. Palpatine being the only one who knows what Anakin did to the Tuskens would explain why Padmé didn’t see his turn coming.

Yes, Palpatine would have been a better choice for the line. But given the way the so called romance or love story was written in AOTC it is doubtful even this line could have saved or made it less “icky”, toxic, controlling or abusive.

Maybe Anakin instead could have said:

“Please don’t look at me like that.
Palaptine : Why not?
Anakin : Because it makes me feel uncomfortable”

and gone on from there. It would have made more sense!

Anakin about Padme in her sleeping quarters: “She covered the cameras. I don’t think she liked me watching her.” She is obviously uncomfortable with Anakin watching her, again.

Anakin later blames Padme for “the kiss that you should never have given me”, despite it Anakin being the person to instigate that kiss, before Padme quickly put a stop to his advances.

Anakin to Padme: “I… I killed them. I killed them all. They’re dead… every single one of them. And not just the men. But the women… and the children, too. They’re like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals! I HATE THEM!”

There is obviously a lot more to this, from Anakin disrespecting Padme’s authority as a person, and openly undermining her authority in front of others. She repeatedly tells him to stop making advances and he refuses to accept these requests. Even Anakin outright telling Padme he doesn’t like what she does, or stands for, and that a dictatorship is the correct way to run a galaxy.

But on Geonosis this all changes, Padme professes her love for Anakin, which is pretty much out of nowhere (other than George’s fetish leather scene in front the fire), and they marry in secret soon afterwards. Huh. WTF?!

Yet all of the above is portrayed as some sort of this is all a part of a “will-they-won’t-they” fall in love scenario, but in reality it comes across as toxic and controlling. The toxic and controlling aspects would have been better served on screen demonstrating Palpatine and Anakin’s relationship, and Palpatine’s growing influence and control over Anakin - not in Anakin and Padme’s poorly written and unbelievable “love story”.

I do agree with this mainly, there is some more to to the relationship but yes it poorly written and does appear toxic and controlling. George admits in general “I’m not a good writer”, “It’s very, very hard for me. I don’t feel I have a natural talent for it… When I sit down I bleed on the page, and it’s just awful" and it does appear the film would have benefited from additional writers who are more skilled and experienced at writing such relationships.

Stardust1138 said:

Keep in mind Padme also only knows the Tusken Raiders as “walk like men, but they’re vicious, mindless monsters” according to Cliegg Lars.

No, Padme also knows what Anakin has just told her, and Anakin is himself deeply upset, ashamed and angry in this conversation over his actions.

“I… I killed them. I killed them all. They’re dead… every single one of them. And not just the men. But the women… and the children, too. They’re like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals! I HATE THEM!”

Padme now also knows Anakin can quickly hate, and can turn to uncontrolled violence when doing so, even against unarmed women and children. This is also something she obviously encounters herself in the next film.

StarkillerAG said:

I guess the line about anger does have some value, but I still think it’s weird that Padme is so understanding after Anakin just went on a borderline psychopathic rant about slaughtering an entire village. It feels really out-of-character, especially given how shocked Padme is that Anakin did the exact same thing to the Jedi temple in ROTS.

Yes, this does seem poor writing for the character, which is unfortunate given the strong start and writing she had in TPM (when compared to AOTC and then ROTS). I am surprised that as George has a history of making changes to his films, that he did not make tweaks to improve the writing and the story in the Prequels too. A subtle line of dialogue or dubbing change, or inserting a deleted or alternative scene, like the Fan Editors of Star Wars films often do.