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Hope you're joking Chaltab.

I was trying to make a comparison.
Indecision is still indecision, whether its the president, George Lucas, the bum on the street or even jimbo.
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I'm still not sure exactly what you're talking about. I stopped reading this thread until today.

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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
I'm still not sure exactly what you're talking about. I stopped reading this thread until today.
That's probably a good idea. I have half a mind to join you in that.

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Originally posted by: motti_soL
jimbo is a brain amputee... sadly...

he cant think for himself nor can he have a normal discussion about his opinions.


*Pays 1000 Euro for expert diagnosis of poor Jimbo*
I just hate stupid people.

GO JETS!!!!

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I know some people on this board are making it awfully tempting to level personal attacks on them...im not naming names or pointing fingers. Because Im included in that, some of my arguments have been more ad hominem than needed. I think we are having a great discussion, with some inbetween times where we just bash eachother for our positions on things. Its all well and good, because I dont think anyone is taking things too seriously. But I hope that after tonights debate we can get some more debate on this thread. You know, the legitimate kind.
I just wonder if people had to have their questions approved before this thing. By the way, Im almost positive they would, but I havent heard for sure.
"You don't own space, so stop actin' like you do."
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Just to be clear, Jimbo seems cool w/ me bashing him just for fun. If he asked me to stop I would, but it is my personality to joke around. If u weren't talking about me, nevermind this message
I just hate stupid people.

GO JETS!!!!

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Originally posted by: StarTrooper3000
Just to be clear, Jimbo seems cool w/ me bashing him just for fun. If he asked me to stop I would, but it is my personality to joke around. If u weren't talking about me, nevermind this message


I don't mind getting joked on. I joke on other people all the time. I love jokes. It bothers me that I write things that are such ovious jokes and people take them seriously.
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Originally posted by: RRS-1980
Ok, let's run this proggy I got from a fellow Linux user....


...applet loading....

Jimbo's Analysis by Cybernetic Know-how Artificial Scientific Simulation
JACKASS(tm)

[simulation started]


jimbo
Jedi Knight
Posts: 1961
Joined: Sep 2003

I forgot to mention another flip flop Kerry made: he wants to improve our relationship with Euro countries. Why the hell we care about their oppenion? (sp?) Our commander and chief is going to nuke France and that's why I respect him - its a great stratigery. He knows his job.
Now excuse me, I'm going to nudie bar.

[/simulation terminated]




I don't remember ever saying it.


This whole exchange would have to be my favourite post/counterpost I've ever read on these forums.

Well done to RRS-1980 for his great sense of humour and to jimbo for being such a good sport.

That made my morning.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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Hey guys check out the new debate. Much better then the last one. Bush did a much better job. Kerry like before weaseled around the truth and distorted his record but unlike before Bush took a strong offensive. I also wonder where Kerry comes off saying Bush has a timber company. I was laughing my ass off. Kerry did pissed me off when he said that abortion was a constitutional right. Really I would love for someone to pull up the line in the constitution that supports abortion. Kerry also said that he has a plan. Strange it used to be called the Bush plan. I can't stand he critisizes a war he voted for. Says we need better intelligence. Kerry voted against increasing intellegence funding. Every line Kerry said is filled with incosistancies and lies. I would never want to watch a movie written by John Kerry. It would have more plot holes then Dragonheart 2.
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Both of these candidates throw around figures and dates without much discretion Jimbo. I stayed tuned after the debates and there was a section, something to the effect of "truth squad" or somesuch. At any rate, the simple fact is that they are politicians. And as such it seems they are incapable of a statement without some manipulation to serve their interest.
You really cant take the opinions given by partisan persons for anything other than party support. Ill admit that Bush made some blows, so did Kerry...but to hear it from a partisan observer, ie Hillary Clinton, or the woman who is the head of Bush's campaign (sorry, forget her name) they would have you believe that this was a one sided debate. A landslide in favor of the candidate flying their colors. Which is all well and good...thats the climate. But seriously, the only way to have an informed opinion is watch for yourself, or read a transcript. Let any biases in your understanding be your own.
I just really urge people to find in themselves what they want for our country. Dont vote down party lines, dont vote on one single matter, as important as it may be, we are talking about the future of our country as a whole. While I think its important for people to have strong convictions on specific issues (abortion, taxes, war, same sex marriages, social security) I think that basing your vote entirely on the stance of a candidate on only one of these issues is shortsighted.
Im not directing this at anyone in particular on the thread, or board, or in general. The only thing Im urging people to do directly is to think for yourself and decide based on that. And truthfully, it seems that most of the people on this thread/forum are doing that. So, im not really lecturing, just ranting. Sorry.

Lethe
"You don't own space, so stop actin' like you do."
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I too would not like to see a movie written by John Kerry. The reason being that he is a politician and not a screenwriter.

Hopefully soon we will be living in a world where John Kerry is the President of the United States of America and your great country can get back on track and regain the respect of the international community that monkey-boy Dubya has pissed away in the last four years.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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I too would not like to see a movie written by John Kerry. The reason being that he is a politician and not a screenwriter.

Hopefully soon we will be living in a world where John Kerry is the President of the United States of America and your great country can get back on track and regain the respect of the international community that monkey-boy Dubya has pissed away in the last four years.


I always hated Bill Clinton. The way he raised our taxes ruined my childhood. The way he lied to the country under othe and stayed in office sickened me. John Kerry feels like Clinton to me. Though even I doubt he will be as bad as Clinton.
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Bill Clinton would never have ignored intelligence warnings on al qaeda's determination to attack citizens within the continental United States like Bush DID.

When Bush took (stole) office his puppeteers went in looking for a war to achieve their profit-from-death and fear-based big brotheresque laws. With warnings of the attacks known to have been ignored, spurious claims of tenuous links to Iraq and trumped up charges of WMDs despite denying UN weapons inspectors to do their job you have to wonder whether a lie about a blowjob is equal to lies that result in death.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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C'mon guys, this whole discussion with jimbo is pointless. He's just as stubborn as Osama's goat.

He's still young and naive. In his dreams he wants to become somebody like his alter-ego (Al Bundy) with an option to work as Dubya's bodyguard (I'll bet he'd take a bullet aimed for "W" without a blink). His personality was shaped by both his parents an the neighbourhood he grew up and by FOX NEWS.

There is no way we could change his views at this point of his life. Some people - especially young people - need to stick to few "stable" things in life, some sort of axioms that found the basis of their thinking. Proving they're wrong would destroy these "foundations", it would destroy their present image of the world and literally shake their psyche.
Think of a stalwart religious person - or about a fanatic, if that's easier to imagine - if we'd be able to prove that their god does not exist, it would destroy all their beliefs, policies, philosophy etc. Short trip to suicide, paranoia or total stagnation in their life - take your pick.

Therefore jimbo is not defending Bush Jr, he's defending his world, the world he closed himself inside.


*StarTrooper3000 owes me 3000 Euro for this thorough analysis*
I saw the original theatrical release of the Old Trilogy on the big screen and I'm proud of it...
How did I accomplish that (considering my age) is my secret...
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An expert analysis RRS-1980 and one of the main reasons why I'm not so insistent with my atheism in life and on the net.

I like to let people believe whatever they want no matter how fanciful or rediculous, as long as it doesn't affect my life or the real world in any way.

Still though it would be nice to believe that 'the saved' were stong enough to handle the world as it is without the constructed bed time stories they comfort themselves with in order to make sense of the cold harsh realities of life.
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Goering.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Goebbels.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - Orwell.
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Originally posted by: Regicidal_Maniac
Bill Clinton would never have ignored intelligence warnings on al qaeda's determination to attack citizens within the continental United States like Bush DID.

When Bush took (stole) office his puppeteers went in looking for a war to achieve their profit-from-death and fear-based big brotheresque laws. With warnings of the attacks known to have been ignored, spurious claims of tenuous links to Iraq and trumped up charges of WMDs despite denying UN weapons inspectors to do their job you have to wonder whether a lie about a blowjob is equal to lies that result in death.


Ignore intellegence. Where do you get he stole the election. Did you want a thousand other recounts. They counted it like 5 fucking times and George Bush won. Micheal Moore you have been discovered.
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The whole 2000 election was sketch. Nobody can just come out now and say it black and white. There were more problems than recounts. There was a large issue with absentee ballots from military personnel overseas. There IS the fact that a large number of votes were completely thrown out. Im not saying he stole it, not here anyways. All im saying is, its not black and white. And the number of people who feel that we have a President that the majority didnt elect is hard to ignore. Not to mention that the Supreme Cournt essentially made the decision on who would be Commander in Chief. That doesnt sit well with me. But in my opinion the electoral college is flawed as a concept, and deviates from the true democracy that our nation was founded on. Give me one reason why we need anything other than the majority vote. Count them up, write them down, its black and white. Why create these arbitrary values and have middlemen. In the purest sense, its not democratic.


Lethe
"You don't own space, so stop actin' like you do."
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Originally posted by: Lethe
The whole 2000 election was sketch. Nobody can just come out now and say it black and white. There were more problems than recounts. There was a large issue with absentee ballots from military personnel overseas. There IS the fact that a large number of votes were completely thrown out. Im not saying he stole it, not here anyways. All im saying is, its not black and white. And the number of people who feel that we have a President that the majority didnt elect is hard to ignore. Not to mention that the Supreme Cournt essentially made the decision on who would be Commander in Chief. That doesnt sit well with me. But in my opinion the electoral college is flawed as a concept, and deviates from the true democracy that our nation was founded on. Give me one reason why we need anything other than the majority vote. Count them up, write them down, its black and white. Why create these arbitrary values and have middlemen. In the purest sense, its not democratic.


Lethe


Thats why we are a Republic not a democracy.
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Pure democracy is anarchy; make your point, jimbo.

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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Pure democracy is anarchy; make your point, jimbo.


I am not defending the electoral college but in the 2000 election that was the law and you can not change the rules after the election. Thats changing the rules after the ball game. To say that Bush stole the election because the current law declared him the winner is completly imature. Al Gore was a stinkin sore loser. I am glad we have the electoral college if it prevented him from running this country.
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I seriously doubt he could have done a worse job than Bush; now, before you jump all over me, note that I didn't say he could do a better job. I said they were about equal.

Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.

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Yeah so if the country isn't perfect then George Bush is a bad President. Intresting. By that belief Abraham Lincoln (In my opinion the greatest president ever) is a bad president because the Cival war happened during his term.