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NOOOOOOOO!!! Electrodes, please!!!

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God, I was thinking about that damn NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! scene in ROTS and I cringe even though I'm not watching it.

I seriously wish someone would hook up some electrodes to my brain and short out my memory so I can never think about that scene or any of those prequels again.

Does anyone else feel that way? Like you wish you never saw any of the prequels? Do you long for the heady days when Star Wars was just 3 movies that were the end-all-be-all of moviegoing bliss? I do. I want my original trilogy back.

Just venting....
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Yeah basically said the exact same thing in another thread. I feel your pain, man. I wish I could watch the OT and imagine how Vader fell to the dark side, and how yoda was in his younger days, etc.

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yes I wish they prequels were done differently, or they had never happened. Recutting the original trilogy constantly to fit the prequels, when the prequels should have fit with the original vision of star wars and remained unrevised. No midichlorians, no padawans just apprentices. The story was about luke not darth vader, now lucas has revised the saga to be about darth vader, he could have shown anakin's story without messing with the overall arc of the saga. Now the continuity of the original movies is crapped all over. Obi wan was supposed to be yoda's apprentice according to the original version of empire strikes back, leia's mother was to die when she was very young staying with her and her adopted family on alderaan. Anakin was supposed to be the best starpilot in the galaxy and a cunning warrior, and owen lars was obi wan's brother.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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I know I'm in the minority here but I was immune to Darth Vader's pitiful "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" in Episode III. There were other things annoying me in that movie (Hayden, Natalie, Ian McDiarmid, bad dialogue, the goofy Sith back story, etc).
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

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Here is my list for the most cringeworthy moments of the prequels:

1. Everytime Jar Jar speaks (It still annoys me to this day!)

2. The fireplace scene between Anakin & Padme
"You are in my very soul!" -Anakin
"Tell me, I will do anything for you!" -Anakin
"I can't breathe!" -Anakin

Now I have to think of those lines everytime Vader is choking some Admiral in ESB! The biggest badass in one trilogy and the biggest wuss in another!

3. Anakin & Padme in ROTS'
"I love you" Padme, "No, I love you more!" BARF!

4. Everytime Boss Nass shakes his mouth after talking in TPM! That movie should be made for a 3 year old!

5. I asked Darth Vader in ROTS should Lucas have made the prequels?
He replied, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
Then he said, "Trust me, I will be alot cooler of a character in the next 3 movies!"
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Gosh, those scenes bring it all home just how much we got screwed.

Waited 16 years for new Star Wars movies....kept the faith all that time, just to get paid back with sappy garbage and turning one of the coolest cinematic villians into the biggest sissy this side of creation.

God, I feel....dirty....soiled....
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*Yawn*

So edit it out. Stick in a bass boom a la the OT whenever Vader goes apeshit and problem solved.
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You have forgot the mention the famous "I dont like Sand its coarse and irritating and it gets everywhere, Not like here, Here everything is smooth"

I can live with crap acting and dialouge and other things because its Star Wars but in the first two there were/are still times watching scenes when I am thinking "George what the f**K were you thinking"......


I left Menace to rot, have the odd watch of Clones, but like to watch Sith,(because in the end it is all Star Wars)

Thankfully when I watch the O.T I still dont see a whiny Hayden in the suit, and can still thankfully use my imagination for the rest including such things as Obi Wan discovering Anakin doing the things he to Luke said in SW/ROTJ, C3-PO built somewhere else and never being on the Lars farm and Obi Wan being trained by Yoda etc
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I find that it helps to look at a behind the scenes photo of David Prowse with the helmet off now and then.

Where were you in '77?

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*Yawn*

So edit it out. Stick in a bass boom a la the OT whenever Vader goes apeshit and problem solved.


Editing it out won't remove the fact that it actually exists....

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Based solely on themselves, I found the prequels to be enjoyable overall. I loved going to the theatres to see new Star Wars movies. And there were a lot of good moments in them. The fact that they have so many bad continuity errors that mess up the originals makes me much less tolerant of them. The fact that George went back to the originals and inserted things from the prequels into the OT to cover his ass makes me wish the prequels had never existed. I would sacrifice the good memories I have of them just to keep me from being so bitter now. But it's a fun kind of bitter, so maybe it's not so bad!

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I wonder if in say 2/3/4 years peoples attitudes will be different? and will loved by the haters as much as the classic trilogy is in future years?, and I do wonder if it may become more popular/ as popular as the classic trilogy is today and was before the prequels, by a different generation of fans...
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I hope not, but I'm afraid it will.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I wonder if in say 2/3/4 years peoples attitudes will be different? and will loved by the haters as much as the classic trilogy is in future years?, and I do wonder if it may become more popular/ as popular as the classic trilogy is today and was before the prequels, by a different generation of fans...


I think this is happeing, to an extent. It seems to me that The Phantom Menace was really disliked at first, but now people have mellowed and are starting to like it more. Sure, JarJar is still just as hated, but once the unrealistically high expectations wore off, people don't dislike it as much anymore. Now Clones I think has gone down a bit in people's estimation. Have to see about III. But I doubt the prequels will ever reach the level of the classic trilogy. But since they are attached to the classic, they won't be be forgotten, like they more likely would have if they were some generic sci-fi film.
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yes I wish they prequels were done differently, or they had never happened. Recutting the original trilogy constantly to fit the prequels, when the prequels should have fit with the original vision of star wars and remained unrevised. No midichlorians, no padawans just apprentices. The story was about luke not darth vader, now lucas has revised the saga to be about darth vader, he could have shown anakin's story without messing with the overall arc of the saga. Now the continuity of the original movies is crapped all over. Obi wan was supposed to be yoda's apprentice according to the original version of empire strikes back, leia's mother was to die when she was very young staying with her and her adopted family on alderaan. Anakin was supposed to be the best starpilot in the galaxy and a cunning warrior, and owen lars was obi wan's brother.


Why do so many people subscribe to the belief that Obi-wan was Owen Lars' brother? Where does this come from? I, for one, thought that Owen should have been a friend of Anakin's, and a surrogate uncle to Luke.

Lars - Kenobi? They've got different surnames. Don't tell me there's a Luke/Leia type mystery here again! Oh well, at least they didn't snog each other.
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I wonder if in say 2/3/4 years peoples attitudes will be different? and will loved by the haters as much as the classic trilogy is in future years?, and I do wonder if it may become more popular/ as popular as the classic trilogy is today and was before the prequels, by a different generation of fans...


I think this is happeing, to an extent. It seems to me that The Phantom Menace was really disliked at first, but now people have mellowed and are starting to like it more. Sure, JarJar is still just as hated, but once the unrealistically high expectations wore off, people don't dislike it as much anymore. Now Clones I think has gone down a bit in people's estimation. Have to see about III. But I doubt the prequels will ever reach the level of the classic trilogy. But since they are attached to the classic, they won't be be forgotten, like they more likely would have if they were some generic sci-fi film.


I watched Menace the other day...and I must say, there are the bare-bones of a good movie there, it's just polluted with so much muck that it's irredeemable.
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3. Anakin & Padme in ROTS'
"I love you" Padme, "No, I love you more!" BARF!


Anakin and Padme's love scenes should be less like 16th century literature and be more like "Married with Children".
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quote from theredbaron "Why do so many people subscribe to the belief that Obi-wan was Owen Lars' brother? Where does this come from? I, for one, thought that Owen should have been a friend of Anakin's, and a surrogate uncle to Luke" because it was in the story conference for jedi, earlier drafts of the screenplay and was official continuity until attack of the clones, as it showed up in the return of the jedi novelization by james kahn.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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The "Noooooo" is cringeworthy-bad, as is Vader saying Padme's name. It just sounds weird. All you needed for that scene was the classic Vader score as the transformation was complete.

One of the coolest things about watching the OT used to be imagining the backstory and how it ended up that way. Sort of like a great book that you imagine what the characters look like-- then a crappy movie is made from the book, and your mind is cluttered with the images of the crappy movie. That's what happened with the prequels. Now it's like, oh-- so Darth Vader, the most icy, scarily cool bad guy in the universe, started out as a whiny mop-top, grew up as a whiny teen, flipped to the Dark Side in a split second, and became a whiny murderer? Mmm-kay.

It's annoying that GL claims that Ep. I & II "had" to be boring, drawn-out setups for what happens in Sith, like there was just no other approach. BULL! You're George freakin' Lucas! Do what you want, and if you're gonna make backstory flicks, fill 'em up. They didn't "have to" be fluff. There was a pretty damn good starting point and endless possibilities with the OT as a 2nd trilogy.
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I watched Menace the other day...and I must say, there are the bare-bones of a good movie there, it's just polluted with so much muck that it's irredeemable.

This is where the Phantom Edit comes into play - it makes the movie watchable.

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I watched Menace the other day...and I must say, there are the bare-bones of a good movie there, it's just polluted with so much muck that it's irredeemable.

This is where the Phantom Edit comes into play - it makes the movie watchable.


Does it ditch or greatly reduce the podrace? 'Cause the podrace is useless - 'sif the people on Tatooine wouldn't be all over Republic credits - just an excuse to rip-off some epic chariot race.
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And spin off into a video game!

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Does it ditch or greatly reduce the podrace? 'Cause the podrace is useless - 'sif the people on Tatooine wouldn't be all over Republic credits - just an excuse to rip-off some epic chariot race.


No, but it cuts most of Jar Jar's redundent lines and actions, cuts all Annakin's yippees, etc, totally cuts the journey through the core with the big fish, etc. When all that crap is cut, the podrace fits into teh movie pretty well because we haven't already been saturated with redundent crap.

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Back on the Owen Lars and Obi-Wan thing. When I was young the the idea of prequels were just a dream, and all that existed were three great movies. I, like probably every other fan of the OT from before 1999, used to think of my own back story and even play out things in it with my old action figures. I had always thought Owen was Obi-Wan's brother. I figured with names like Owen Lars, Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa, Han Solo, Biggs Darklighter, Wedge Antillies, ect., which sound like pretty normal names as far has having a first name and a last name, that the name Obi-Wan Kenobi was a bit of an odd name. Ben Kenobi seemed much more normal. So I decided that Obi-Wan must be some sort of name the Jedi gave him. Just how Darth Vader being a sith had his named changed from Anakin, and I thought that most likely he was born as Ben Lars, or perhaps Beru Kenobi could have married Owen Lars.

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Back on the Owen Lars and Obi-Wan thing. When I was young the the idea of prequels were just a dream, and all that existed were three great movies. I, like probably every other fan of the OT from before 1999, used to think of my own back story and even play out things in it with my old action figures. I had always thought Owen was Obi-Wan's brother. I figured with names like Owen Lars, Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa, Han Solo, Biggs Darklighter, Wedge Antillies, ect., which sound like pretty normal names as far has having a first name and a last name, that the name Obi-Wan Kenobi was a bit of an odd name. Ben Kenobi seemed much more normal. So I decided that Obi-Wan must be some sort of name the Jedi gave him. Just how Darth Vader being a sith had his named changed from Anakin, and I thought that most likely he was born as Ben Lars, or perhaps Beru Kenobi could have married Owen Lars.


That's exactly what I always thought too! He was always billed as "Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi" in the movies and most action figures, so I always thought that Ben was his real name, and Obi-Wan was his Jedi name. In fact, I like that idea a lot more than what we ended up getting... Someone made this a topic a long time ago, but it almost seems like Lucas went out of his way to make everyone's name as weird as possible for the prequels. In the originals, most human names were what we would consider normal or had some normal basis. Obi-Wan, being the wise old Jedi with mystical powers, was the only one whose name was really otherworldly.

But I'm glad someone else thought that too.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.