Stardust1138 said:

StarkillerAG said:

R2 somehow doesn’t recognize Obi-Wan or Yoda, Obi-Wan and Yoda don’t seem to recognize R2 either

Obi-Wan doesn’t remember owning a droid, despite having owned a droid for at least 3 years

Obi-Wan makes it sound like Owen and Anakin are actual brothers, and Owen resisted when Anakin started his training, which is just completely wrong

The “served my father in the Clone Wars” bit that started this thread (and no, the cartoons don’t count)

Obi-Wan says Yoda was the master who instructed him, but Yoda was actually the master who instructed the master who instructed the master who instructed him

Luke feels like he’s been to Dagobah before, despite the fact that he never actually went there before

Obi-Wan says that he was reckless as an apprentice, despite the prequels portraying him as basically the opposite of reckless

Obi-Wan acts like he discovered Anakin’s piloting ability and Force skill, despite Qui-Gon being the one who discovered that (I’m noticing a lot of contradictions disappear if you merge Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon into a single character)

Leia says she remembers her real mother, despite the fact that her mother died in childbirth (and no, “it was the Force” isn’t a valid explanation, especially since Luke doesn’t have those memories)

Vader says Obi-Wan once thought he could be redeemed, despite Obi-Wan going to Mustafar to kill him (and no, the upcoming Obi-Wan spinoff doesn’t count)

Who says he doesn’t? R2 is known to troll and know more than he let’s on. Yoda and Obi-Wan could also just be keeping to themselves how much they know as they did with the truth about Luke’s father.

During the Clone Wars he has a very low opinion of droids and thinks they can be easily replaced.

I don’t know about that as I never got that impression. It seems more like headcanon to me or the Return of the Jedi novelisation saying Owen was Obi-Wan’s brother. The story didn’t get set until Attack of the Clones. Step brother is still family.

George considered The Clone Wars canon. So it certainly counts as an explanation.

The Force works in mysterious ways. “Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future, the past. Old friends long gone.” It could just as much be the Force showing Luke that Dagobah plays a role in his destiny. Just as Obi-Wan guiding him there was through the Force.

He has moments of being reckless and cocky. Like when he jumps out of the window when the assassin droid comes to Padme’s apartment. Same with his desire to train Anakin without the approval of the Jedi Council at the will request of Qui-Gon. Plus it could just as well be he was reckless when he was a youngling being taught by Yoda as he mentions being instructed by him. Yoda taught the children before they were assigned masters upon becoming padawan learners.

Obi-Wan was there on Tatooine when Anakin was discovered and from a certain point of view he was with Qui-Gon when Anakin was discovered. Jedi work in teams. A master and apprentice. He saw Anakin’s potential with the Force through his midi-chlorian count. Same with knowing about Anakin’s skills to win the podrace to secure them the parts they needed to leave. Surely he also knows what happened to the Trade Federation command ship too.

George planned to explain Leia’s Force abilities in his Sequel Trilogy. So it’s not so much a contradiction but something that was never addressed by Disney unless it’s in a novel or something. It could just as much be she has memories like Yoda taught in his lesson I mention above in relation to Luke. The same could be said of Leia having visions of Padme. It’s something George would’ve delved into I’m sure as Rick McCallum spoke of it. The Force works differently in every living thing. Everyone has the Force. So how it impacts Leia might be different than Luke.

Obi-Wan was hesitant on going as he wanted to confront Palpatine instead but he respected Yoda’s wishes and seeked out Padme. He fought the whole duel with Anakin/Vader on Mustafar in defence until the very end. He didn’t want to kill Anakin. It’s only when he thought he was far gone that he began to switch to offence.

I guess that is a possible explanation, but I think it would have been a lot cleaner if Lucas just didn’t include R2 or 3PO in the prequels at all. There is zero reason they needed to be there other than nostalgia.
Even if he does have a low opinion of droids, there’s no reason why he shouldn’t remember the fact that he owned one for the entire duration of the Clone Wars, since he was actually on a first-name basis with said droid.
I know Owen wasn’t explicitly confirmed to be Anakin’s actual brother, but even then it was heavily implied that Owen was around when Anakin was taken to be a Jedi: Obi-Wan says that Owen “thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved”, and that isn’t really possible when Owen only meets Anakin 10 years after he became a Jedi.
George may have greenlit the Clone Wars cartoon, but what I mean by “the cartoons don’t count” is that they can’t be used as a way to hide the movies’ flaws. Lucas should have thought of a way to have Obi-Wan serve Bail when he was actually writing the prequels, instead of having Filoni make up a rationalization 5 years later.
This is exactly what I was talking about when I said “it was the Force” isn’t a valid explanation. Way too often, fans use “it was the Force” as a cheap way to cover up plot issues. And no matter what rationalization you use, I still think it would be a lot cleaner if Luke actually was on Dagobah when he was very young.
That moment where Obi-Wan grabs the robot was pretty reckless, but it’s pretty much the only moment where he was actually shown being reckless. I’m pretty sure he actually got the Council’s approval to train Anakin. It really feels like Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were originally supposed to be the same character, but they transferred all the “Obi-Wan” character elements (including the recklessness) onto Qui-Gon, causing Obi-Wan’s character to feel weird.
I guess he was technically there when all that stuff happened, but I guess it just feels weird that neither Obi-Wan nor Yoda ever mentioned Qui-Gon throughout the entire OT. Once again, it really seems like Qui-Gon was a last minute addition to the prequels, and his role was originally going to be filled by Obi-Wan.
Lucas wasn’t even going to make a sequel trilogy until he wrote a preliminary plot treatment for Disney to take inspiration from just before he sold the franchise, so I’m only taking the OT and prequels into account here. And the dialogue in ROTJ clearly indicates that Leia’s memories are supposed to be actual memories: she says that Padme “died when she was very young,” not that she died in childbirth.
He may have been on defense most of the time, but his mission was still to kill him. And even if he secretly was hoping Vader would return to the light, Vader wouldn’t know that since he was so absorbed in his “The Jedi turned against me” mindset at the time, so it’s weird that Vader is the one who says that Obi-Wan thought he could be redeemed.

CarboniteSolo said:

I like to think that Luke and Leia both had visions as young kids.

Leia saw her real mother, but they were images of her, and feelings of love.

Luke yearned to see his father and know as much about him as possible. He reached out with his force abilities to seek answers (in his dreams), and Yoda was the only one listening. I think this is why Luke feels like he’s been to Dagobah, because when Yoda was calming Luke down with the force, he could actually see Yoda and his surroundings, just like a dream.

Maybe I’m wrong and this is explained in the Kenobi series, we’ll just have to wait and see.

Edit:
Luke has no memory of his real mother, and Leia has no memory of her father.

This could be something Kenobi or Yoda did to ease their pain, or hide it from Vader, the Emperor or the inquisitors.

That’s actually a really cool idea. Too bad it wasn’t in the movies.