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Can you imagine Han fighting Luke, that is what the duel in ROTS should have felt like.

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I always felt that the duel in ROTS could have been better if Lucas would have developed the friendship of ObiWan and Anakin over all 3 prequel movies. We got glimpses of their friendship in AOTC, and more so in ROTS, but not as much as was developed in the OT of Han and Luke. You had a real sense that they would do anything for each other. In the PT, it just seemed forced at times, but we already knew of their friendship going in, so it was easier to see whether it was done well or not.

My whole point is, can you imagine Luke and Han going at it at the end of ROTJ if Luke turned to the darkside. Putting aside that Luke would woop his butt because he was jedi, you would almost feel a real betrayal between them because they were great friends. For Anakin and ObiWan, it was just accepted of their friendship, and I think that hurt the duel because it should have been more tragic.
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The friendship seemed on like a proper on-screen friendship in Sith but never reaching the magical chemistry of Han and Luke, in Clones it was more like the mentor and his rebellious student with the student whining and moaning about this so-called friend with the odd real show of friendship, I feel maybe it should have been like Sith but in Clones with Anakin showing this friendship maybe towards the end of Clones and in the beginning of Sith the friendship becoming more and more strained. Only in Sith did feel Hayden and Ewan had any proper and good(depends on opinion) chemistry,parts of it showed in Clones maybe or not?, the other thing they parts of spent Clones apart each doing there own thing only meeting up again towards(more attention on the Padme relationship)

I have said this many times I never felt we saw enough on screen of Anakin showing the attributes Obi Wan described "the best starpilot in the galaxy" "a cunning warrior" and a "good friend" part of the problem maybe George Lucas descion to start the trilogy with Anakin so young(but what could he do??) and Qui-Gonn not discovering Anakin but Obi Wan would have made it better, as would if Obi Wans intial attitude was different i believe Obi Wans words were describing Anakin in passing as "a pathetic lifeform" to Qui Gonn didnt help


It all seemed to be squashed into Sith making Anakins turn and betrayal of Obi Wan and the Jedi slightly less convincing maybe? and would have been better spread over two movies?
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you are so right co, that is exactly how it shouldve been! exactly!
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I alway thought that Obi-Wan should have found Anakin and Qui-Gon be the one that was bit agenst it. I also thought they should have done very thing together, No assiments apart just so we can see more relationship. Then Obi-wan should have been more understanding in the duel, he should have try to stop Anakin insted of making Cocky remarks like 'Dont try it.' Obi-Wan should have shown more feelings that Anakin was still good and he had just been misled.
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Obi Wan not finding Anakin personally is to me one of the most bizzare if not the bizzarest descion George Lucas made for the prequels..


I have to say in my opinion a lot of what Obi Wan says to Luke in Jedi is either crap or open to a lot of interptation, when it should have been the simple truth.
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Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
Obi Wan not finding Anakin personally is to me one of the most bizzare if not the bizzarest descion George Lucas made for the prequels..


I have to say in my opinion a lot of what Obi Wan says to Luke in Jedi is either crap or open to a lot of interptation, when it should have been the simple truth.


That's one of the things I've always hated about the prequels and in particular Episode I - Episode I did virtually nothing to develop the friendship between the two of them, even though that should have been one of the big things the prequels should have explored.

I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

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it almost seemed to skip it in fact , why couldnt lucas follow his own story properly?
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Some of it was already spelled out in the original trilogy for him all he had to do was join the dots together and add a few extra bits and not include things like Qui-Gonn and follow the O.T story.(he has left alot up to the viewers interpretion {of events etc} and left things unexplained)

I am sure I read somewhere, by the story of the O.T George said he was tied down to show Anakin as a child, which could have been avoided somehow, possibly

and the love scenes could have more off screen instead of onscreen which again I am sure I read he said he was tied down to that part of the story

Its too late now but we will never know, what might have been had Lucas colleberated more on the story, might it have come out different....
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Yeah, I always thought that Qui-Gonn was the most useless character in all of Star Wars. Don't get me wrong, he's a good character, but his presence at all really hurts the story. The whole movie is spent developing this relationship between Anakin and Qui-Gonn, a totally useless relationship since he dies, and Anakin never mentions him again. And Obi-Wan seems to resent the little brat being around the whole time and only changes his tune because Qui-Gonn makes him promise.

To be honest, though, I could have handled more Luke/Han interaction in the original trilogy. Besides the first movie, they hardly spend any time together at all. I would like to have seen more arguments between them, their opposite morals getting in the way of a common goal.

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A lot of the missed opportunities, and fumbled ones can be summed up in Obi-wan's own words, "How did this happen? We're smarter than this!"
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Lucas didn't develop the friendship enough 'PRE-ROTS', however, once we got to the film I think he did the best job he could putting emotion into the fight. I ran ROTS at my movie theater, so I saw it upwards of 50 times, and everytime Anakin looks up that ramp to see Obi Wan standing there, I still got goosebumps. Lucas did well conveying the betrayal and the emotion in that fight.

But you are right, up until the last film, he stuck too closely to an ObiWan/QuiGonn style relationship when it would have benefited from a Han/Luke relationship.
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You guys really should take the time to read my story rewrites of Episodes I and II. They are pretty much exactly what you want. This is what should have happened:

Obi-wan finds Anakin as a mid-to-late-teenager
Anakin becomes Obi-wan's pupil, learns the way of the Jedi
Separatist coup on Queen Amidala's home planet
Separatists secede from Republic
Anakin and Obi-wan are sent on a rescue mission to save Queen Amidala (this is an opportunity to simultaneously develop the relationships of Anakin and Obi-wan, as well as Anakin and Padme)
Palpatine becomes Supreme Chancellor of Senate (or President, or whatever)
The machinations of the Clone Wars set in motion

That allows Episode II to actually be about the Clone Wars, and gives Anakin and Padme plausible time to fall in love and get married yada yada yada...

Not tied down to much except setting up Luke and Leia's birth via a marriage with royalty if you ask me.
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that sounds more like a trilogy of films that wouldve entertained more. by the way, qui gon wouldve been less useless had lucas retained his dialogue to yoda at the end of rots
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Well, I still think explaining the force ghost stuff was superfluous crap anyway. Why do we need to know where it comes from? I mean, I always just accepted it. It's good to be detail-oriented, but he just takes it a bit too far. I mean, come on, naming the death stick guy?

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Why was Obi-Wan the only jedi is spirit form to come back and help Luke defeat the man that killed most, if not all of them?

That's kinda why you need the exposition.
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I feel what George did with Jar Jar Binks, the underwater submarine ride, and the Gungans in Menace caused a ripple effect through out the Prequels, so as we know now Anakin and Obi Wan werent close friends and Anakin hasnt interacted properly with Palpatine until Ep 2(two essential relationships for the trilogy and weakend it by not showing proper relationships with both throughout the three movies)
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Yes, Qui-Gonn was the biggest mistake that GL made.How much better would Menace be if Obiwan was the Master, Qui-gon was the apprentice who is killed by Darth Maul, and then Anakin became Obiwan's new apprenctice at the end of Menace. It would make a LOT more sense! I think that's the biggest reason why Menace is my least fave SW.
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^ Yep. At the very least it would have been nice to see Obi-Wan in agony for failing his Master. Then I wouldn't have cared about the unlikely 'friendship' between Anakin and Obi-Wan.

Obi-Wan basically broke his promise, and we don't see him suffer (for lack of a better word) for it, apart from the "You were supposed to bring balance to the Force," scene, which I thought was brilliant.
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Just thought of this...

Perhaps our perspective will change when the prequels are viewed back-to-back, in the fashion that many of us have enjoyed the originals for years. What I'm getting at is that maybe our emotional involvement will be greater when the films are 2 hours apart, not 3 or 4 years. Just an idea...
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It's a possibility, although some people already have that opportunity through... various means. Any thoughts from those that have (we won't tell!)?

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I have seen all six twice, the prequels do work better as a trilogy but Menace is still the weakest and in Clones various plot points in Menace are recalled(Anakin telling Obi Wan he hasnt seen Padme in 10 years Jar Jar doing the same Padme reminding the audience that Anakin was a little boy on Tatooine when they, recalling Gunrays been on trial for what he did etc) but no mention of Qui-Gonn(which weakens his character until his brief mention at the end of Sith) so theoretically you can live without it but maybe to get the full value watch Menace.Clones does tie in better to Sith and you can see the dilemma of Anakin with his visions of his Mother dying and her subsequent death, and the visions of Padme he has and a reasoning behind the selling of his soul to Palpatine to save her and how his "love" for Padme which has grown over the years and the polictical side does work well and Palpatines rise is convincing but there is still crap in my opinion in the first two which was not necessary...........

Now how they correspond and tie-in to the originals is another issue.....

it felt to me like two different trilogies rather than one complete saga

and watching the six I have to admit even though I didnt think Clones is as bad as people make out, I could not wait for Sith or the originals to start...

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"Can you imagine Han fighting Luke, that is what the duel in ROTS should have felt like."

yes, it should have been this way, but that's one of the many flaws of the PT: you don't have an emotional link with the characters, you don't care about them, you're just watching .